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Old 06-16-2011, 05:30 PM   #21
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yes he would be in pain but would still have the force
But he can't use it, because he's dying of blood loss.

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and jedi in pain (whether emotional or physical) tend to be very aggresive with their use of the force
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besides deidara still functioned without his arms and he even tryed to take on team guy!!
But Naruto characters have higher durability.
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Anakain did not use any force powers when his arm and both legs were cut off so Shikamaru has a good point there. Not to mention Kakashi's aim with kamui has gotten a lot better than when he fought deidara. Kamui owns
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Assuming he uses it before being force choked or mind raped.
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"I find your lack of faith disturbing" besides even after obi gets kamuid to the head he gos Force-Ghost mode and than kills kakashi
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Are they still dangerous as force ghosts?
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the answer to your question is yes. Vader said "the ability to destroy a planet is nothing compared to the power of the force" and since forc-ghosts are pure manifestations of the force they can do anything even destroy stars!!
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Well that makes thing difficult for kakashi.
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yep cuz if he kills obi obi can kill him very easy if hedoesnt fight obi still kills him what he needs to do is severely hurt obi but let him live and throw him in a dungeon only under those cinditions would kakashi win and even then, achieving those conditions would be dificult
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Obi-Wan Kenobi wins this one. Unless of course Kakashi Kamui's his head. Oh I don't think Obi-Wan Kenobi knows obout shadow clones so if Kakashi comes up with a brilliant strategy, he may barely win.
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Can Obi-wan even activate chokes at ten meters? Kakashi had distance attacks, Obi doesn't. I think Kakashi has this one. Even headhunter jutsu might be effective to take down the Jedi Master.
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Can Obi-wan even activate chokes at ten meters? Kakashi had distance attacks, Obi doesn't. I think Kakashi has this one. Even headhunter jutsu might be effective to take down the Jedi Master.
Kenobi does not force choke..no modern Jedi did that besides Yaddle post Ruuzhan it was considered a dark side exclusive technique and discouraged

mind you he was able to react to Grevious who was immensely broken outside of the movies and his entire style of swordsmenship is considered nearly flawless and only was broken apart by A Makashi duelist..and one who was said to be among the greatest duelist of the last thousand years
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Kenobi does not force choke..no modern Jedi did that besides Yaddle post Ruuzhan it was considered a dark side exclusive technique and discouraged

mind you he was able to react to Grevious who was immensely broken outside of the movies and his entire style of swordsmenship is considered nearly flawless and only was broken apart by A Makashi duelist..and one who was said to be among the greatest duelist of the last thousand years
That is what I was thinking. However, Kenobi is somehow bloodlusted. If he could move things with the force, could he not choke if he out of his mind?

Still that was hand-to-hand combat. Mind control only works on the weak (so no go on Kakashi), and as you just said, choking dark side only. Kakashi attacks from a distance. I guess Obi-wan can throw rocks and sheet at Kakashi, but I think Kakashi's long distance attacks overwhelm the old man.
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As I said before, can't Kenobi use the Force to block or deflect Kakashi's distance attacks? If that's the case, wouldn't it come down to a close range battle?
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That is what I was thinking. However, Kenobi is somehow bloodlust. If he could move things with the force, could he not choke if he out of his mind?]
no, force choking and force crush IIRC is pretty shunned and like I said Yaddle and to a lesser extent Mace Windu (who did force crush) and Yoda (who could actually contest a dim mok I think it's called which would require actual use of the dark side or a dark side tech) dabbled in such things...these where some of the most powerful revered force users in existence one of which (Yoda) was so powerful and seren as a rookie he resisted a dark side mind rape and tore the guy soul out of his body and sealed it in a tree for christs sake...other then Exar Kun..and Sidious no other force user in history could do that.

he can't and wouldn't choke him out no matter what...hurling a TK wave at him with enough force to smack hundreds of tons of metal though like he did...in the CW series..on the other hand is entirely a go

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Still that was hand-to-hand combat. Mind control only works on the weak (so no go on Kakashi), and as you just said, choking dark side only. Kakashi attacks from a distance. I guess Obi-wan can throw rocks and sheet at Kakashi, but I think Kakashi's long distance attacks overwhelm the old man.
well your a mod you need to make the call is the SW EU fair game or not? because if it is then Obi-wan is going to blitz the ever loving crap out of Kakashi and carve him in half..or just smash up his insides with a force push

if your dealing with movies only then it's a generic superhuman street leveler vs another one..only a bit higher on the food chain

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yes he can...anything except the Chidori then again he used Suresu (i think thats the name) to channel force lighting into..his blade and ground it..so maybe

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no, force choking and force crush IIRC is pretty shunned and like I said Yaddle and to a lesser extent Mace Windu (who did force crush) and Yoda (who could actually contest a dim mok I think it's called which would require actual use of the dark side or a dark side tech) dabbled in such things...these where some of the most powerful revered force users in existence one of which (Yoda) was so powerful and seren as a rookie he resisted a dark side mind rape and tore the guy soul out of his body and sealed it in a tree for christs sake...other then Exar Kun..and Sidious no other force user in history could do that.

he can't and wouldn't choke him out no matter what...hurling a TK wave at him with enough force to smack hundreds of tons of metal though like he did...in the CW series..on the other hand is entirely a go



well your a mod you need to make the call is the SW EU fair game or not? because if it is then Obi-wan is going to blitz the ever loving crap out of Kakashi and carve him in half..or just smash up his insides with a force push

if your dealing with movies only then it's a generic superhuman street leveler vs another one..only a bit higher on the food chain



yes he can...anything except the Chidori then again he used Suresu (i think thats the name) to channel force lighting into..his blade and ground it..so maybe
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Orochimaru's arm got torn off and he acted like it was nothing.

Anakin was pretty much crying.
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Anakin was pretty much crying.
When was his arm torn off?

Regardless, that's proof that one universe's people are more durable then another universe's?
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When was his arm torn off?

Regardless, that's proof that one universe's people are more durable then another universe's?
especially considering EU wise especially that when vader crumpled the room after getitng his cyborg body it was an attempt to kill palpatine who's frail deformed scarred body basically didn't even feel the attack

Yoda ate a hundred plus foot fall several times..and Mace leveled an entire army..at one point no selling a seismic machine that created massive marine ford style tidal waves
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