Spoiler solving tobi identity (100% spoiler)[case solve read at your on risk]

[pungzeyez]

Note from Maikeru Shinigami: Though I had to take the pictures out, this was an interesting theory. And to all those who read this, pictures did back up his claims.


breaking tobi's mask...

I was studying tobi for 4 days. Called me I was bored, yes I am because it is vacation here. Not much nothing to do, so I have been a research about him. I reread some chapter and forum post and even fun page. But before I start, this will be long but I will sure I will get your attention just ignore my bad English. sowi

WARNING: this is not a prediction and not reposting a old forum. i came up on my own conclusion because of all the evidence i had gather. all i will explain will be base in naruto manga chapter... this is 100% spoiler read at your on risk...



First of all i can tell that tobi is not madara.


i have come to believe that uchiha madara is not really uchiha madara. the reasons i believe this are as follows,

#1 in flash backs, kishi has no problem showing us the face of uchiha madara.



only now, he makes it a point to continue to hide his face, even when his mask is off.



either madara is not who he says he is, he is severly deformed or he is madara and just using another body. yes, kisame knows him as madara by his face, but he also knows him as mizukage, there is no telling how long this man has been perading around as madara. At first place does kisame know the really face of madara?


#2 ever since his introduction, he has refereed to himself in the 3rd person as if he is not really madara but wants to be.



#3 i believe this is when kabuto and madara met up, kabuto, as we all know summoned a body to which madara became very surprised. i dont think it was the 1st, nor do i think that it was the SO6P. kabuto tells madara that he will not tell anyone,



now what else could kabuto have on madara that he didnt want anyone to know? besides that he is not really uchiha madara.

kabuto, then called the man, uchiha madara, to which madara, responds, cheeky brat, in binktopias translations, he calls him a wise guy.



kabuto obviously WAS being a wise guy, calling the man madara, when he knew he wasn't.
And kabuto say DON’T WORRY I WONT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS


#4 even he survive on Hiroshima battle he already dead by age remember what kusina usumaki said. There clan are the only one has long life that the others.


#5 is it mistranslation when zetsu calling him tobi? (Maybe once yes, but twice or many… nah)



im 100% sure zetsu merge other half of tobi. Because he can able cast izigani, a power require both utchiha and serunju. And when tobi is damage a white clay flowing on his arm. And only zetsu has a access seeing him unmask and still calling him tobi.

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And before I will reveal who is tobi. Let’s recap point of view of tobi and characteristics.


First He has sharinggan and he know there secret as well. So I can tell he is from uchiha and konoha.


Second there are only plenty candidate to chose who might be tobi. Because in manga and anime they only introduce small number of sharinggan user
1. obito – he already die on boulder and it is impossible to live on that young age. Just incase he is still live he was too young too be tobi in kyuubi incident. and he was damn weak to begin with..
2. madara – I already state above why he is not tobi.
3. shisui – at the laboratory of madara there one eye has no pair that has to be believe that shusui eye. And it was state he was killed by itachi before the uchiha clan massacre.



4. and lastly this is tobi identity it is one of the elders.



uchiha kagami

If you think about it ,Kagami Uchiha makes more sense being Tobi than Madara does. Kagami Uchiha was taught by the second (the same guy the 4th based his space time techs on)so that would explain tobis abilities, he was also on the same team as the 4 elders(the third, danzo and the other two current elders), they were the only ones who knew about the massacre so it's possible that their team mate(Kagami) had a hand in it as well. and it would explain why he still hides his face even to he himself(tobi) says that he's madara and everyone else seems to think so as well so what does he gain by hiding himself if he really is Madara? and what could possibly make "MADARA" of all people stop in his tracks and SUBMIT to kabuto by letting him on the team??? nothing... if he really is madara he shouldn't give a damn whose in that last coffin. but since he was obviously worried about the contents and let kabuto on the team because he doesn't want anyone else to see those content, it would only make sense that it's madara in there(the coffin). thats why we weren't shown who it was. that is the only explanation to the scenario... tobi not being madara and kabuto exposing that is the ONLY THING that could **** his plan up. it is sooo obvious that he's just using madaras name and prowess. Him being kagami would also explain why Kishi decided to put that flashback for danzo in there. The flashback is the only place you see kagami and it showed that he survived with the rest of his team mates thanks to his sensei, the 2nd hokage. It also shows his connection to those who were responsible for the uchiha massacre. and if he already knew about the MS and EMS he would be all about having a hand in the massacre of his own clan. im not saying that this is fact but how can anyone say that it doesn't make sense? with all those dumb theories out there like tobi being Obito or him being madara in another body or even being madara in a old ass 100 year(just a rough estimate) old body. if yall can believe all that nonsense then why the hell is it so hard too believe that it could be Kagami???

Now let’s go on exhibit evidence…

-Why does he introduce himself as Uchiha madara? Because he wanted his power. Or fear him as Uchiha Madara.



Remember most of the villain introduce themselves as 3rd person as a God. Because they want the power of god or there power is super human. Great example is pain.


-And im for sure he live on konoha around 2nd and 3rd era of shinobi great world war.



This is one of the greatest clue… why the hell he know the father of turune (shikuro aburame)… in some how they have connections. Tobi might age mate as his father or danzo. And he might live also on konoha those day. Maybe just on 2nd era only… because on 3rd era he was on the mist country controlling 4th mizukage.

-On kyuubi incident looked who missing on the elders member?



The 4 old school elders were there (sarotobi hiruzen, mitokado homura, utatane koharu, akimichi torifu) as well on that cloak guy he may be in aburame clan. He might be turune’s father(shikuro aburame) but danzo and kagami are missing. Danzo might know who tobi is. But like he said his ready for sacrifice. He is willing keep a secret till his death. Or perhaps he introduce himself as madara and danzo keep believing it till the end.

-And lastly all of the elders had the same vision about the shinobi world but they have different way, on achieving it…


the key word is there… same as danzo ...



This is the most hard evidence I have , so don’t dare to open this because you will spoiled reading naruto. You Might lose interest reading naruto. there is witness but she was killed by tobi.

Spoiler:

wait still hacking kishi computer =)

hahaha

all of i had said was base on the manga or anime. none of the chapter were edited except the last part to make it comedy... but if you were doubt about those pix try to check them. i wanted to put more pix here but only 15 image can only post here.

all of the evident i had gather as for now. are it is only pointing in one person in behind madaras mask its UCHIHA KAGAMI

tobi = madara
tobi = obito
tobi = uchiha kagami

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[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Sorry I had to take the pics down. It's a rule for the site that we can't post pics from Viz animes or mangas.

That said, I read your theory before I took it down, and it really does make sense. In fact, I can say that I agree that it does sound more likely than Madara.


Though, it was partially copy/pasted from a guy named JSW on another forum about Naruto.

[Wooster]

They reason this isn't true is because Kagumi is a bit player and is nothing more.

I do agree Tobi isn't exactly Madara. Whether he is a "ghost" of Madara and some sort of Tobirama experiment or something else is harder to say.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

It would however explain why Tobi knew about the plot with Danzo having Itachi destroy the Uchiha clan.

[Wooster]

Or Tobi could just have been snooping around like he said he was.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

It could, but Kagami being on the same team as Danzo, makes it a bit more possible in my mind. The hair styles are pretty similar as well. I'm just saying, from what I saw, I think Kagami is a candidate now. Tobi has shown time/space jutsu as well, which like Minato said, is something that Tobirama was skilled in.

[Wooster]

Well, there is somethign up with Edo Tensei. Tobirama invented it why? It is quite clear that white Zetsu is Hashirama DNA and Madara's arm looked like White Zetsu crap when it broke off.

I think Zestus are Tobirama's first attempt are cloning and/or Edo Tensei. Tobi is probably a result of that experiment, probably using Madara's DNA.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Both seem more likely than Madara.

[Wooster]

Still think he somewhat Madara or why keeping claiming you are? Might as well just keep calling yourself Tobi then.

[pungzeyez]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Well, there is somethign up with Edo Tensei. Tobirama invented it why? It is quite clear that white Zetsu is Hashirama DNA and Madara's arm looked like White Zetsu crap when it broke off.

I think Zestus are Tobirama's first attempt are cloning and/or Edo Tensei. Tobi is probably a result of that experiment, probably using Madara's DNA.

yes he myt also using madara DNA. because on the pix above that i post when tobi and pain are talking when he was saying about the power of sharinggan. madaras power tobi said. i was thinking he acquired a little bit power of madara. and he want to complte it.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by pungzeyez

yes he myt also using madara DNA. because on the pix above that i post when tobi and pain are talking when he was saying about the power of sharinggan. madaras power tobi said. i was thinking he acquired a little bit power of madara. and he want to complte it.

Yes, seems to be. Tobi has said he is a shell of Madara.

Still sharingan doesn't tell us much. He did steal a whole bunch, and Danzo and Kakashi have shown anyone can use them when transplanted.

[PlatonicZombie]

Tobi = Sage of the six paths... <--- makes just as much sense as everything else, and it explains how he gave Nagato his eyes.

[kalmeast]

Jeez guys...this is horrible - someone has spent so much time and effort trying to solve the Tobi/Madara mystery by coming up with systematic & comprehensive details to his theory and this is what he get's from you guys...? why

Come on, this theory is better and much more plausible than others we've seen here. Not that is completely something new but it's a good effort.

You know how easy it is to refute Obito = Tobi by just using the Kuubi incident (at the point Obito was just too young to be Tobi)...
Now, regardless of how ppl may not like the Kagami theory...it is difficult to reject it upright without using sentimental or otherwise baseless reasoning.

I think it's a possibility. think about the fact that the Uchiha as so crucial and every member who's name has been mentioned has something little to say about them. In the turmoil of this tobi's identity mystery, we actually hear the name of another Uchiha - Kagami - and kishi doesn't say nothing else about the guy as if he wasn't important? Kishi doesn't treat the Uchiha like that. oh well, that's that.

Originally Posted by PlatonicZombie

Tobi = Sage of the six paths... <--- makes just as much sense as everything else, and it explains how he gave Nagato his eyes.

so in other words, SO6P gave his rennigan to Nagato and killed Konan to get it back...and Now SO6P is a bad guy that wants to revive the bijuu that he sealed himself...ah..maybe u're just goofing.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

Jeez guys...this is horrible - someone has spent so much time and effort trying to solve the Tobi/Madara mystery by coming up with systematic & comprehensive details to his theory and this is what he get's from you guys...? why

Because it is wrong. The more intricate idea, the more likely it is to be wrong.

Come on, this theory is better and much more plausible than others we've seen here. Not that is completely something new but it's a good effort.

Tobi is Madara is the most likely. To reject it requires conjecture and so called "signs." These may be true, mind you, but the mostly likely is the least exciting. Still, alteration that Tobi is a "ghost" or Tobi is A Zetsu are more likely and have more solid evidence.

You know how easy it is to refute Obito = Tobi by just using the Kuubi incident (at the point Obito was just too young to be Tobi)...
Now, regardless of how ppl may not like the Kagami theory...it is difficult to reject it upright without using sentimental or otherwise baseless reasoning.

The reason to reject is Occam's razor. Very reasonable.

I think it's a possibility. think about the fact that the Uchiha as so crucial and every member who's name has been mentioned has something little to say about them. In the turmoil of this tobi's identity mystery, we actually hear the name of another Uchiha - Kagami - and kishi doesn't say nothing else about the guy as if he wasn't important? Kishi doesn't treat the Uchiha like that. oh well, that's that.

We also learned the name of an Akimichi. Why not him? He can steal sharingan as well as anybody else.

Do you remeber Tenma. Why did we learn his name? He most be important!
No, Kishi likes to name minor meaningless characters. The same has happened here. Besdies did not Kagami work with Danzo. Why was Danzo been unable to recognize Kagami? They have met twice before, and remember Danzo does have Shishui's eye. He should be able to chakra as well as any other user of the sharingan user.

[zerosameri]

I didn't get to read everything because of the lake of time I have. Any ways

There is so little info on him, even Naruto wiki as about no info on him. I mean come on now!

@#2: Geeze last time I checked he no longer does that..

disprove every single one of these things sense he is clearly Kagami

Spoiler:

►Madara is over 100 years old while Obtio would only be in his mid 30's right now

►The Tablet that is in the Uchiha Temple thing. Only very few people knew about. They were only Uchiha's and very high up in the clan. Madara and Itachi said that only 3 known (I think) people were able to read it. It's sad that 1st you'll need the Basic 3 Toma sharingan, then the MS, then the EMS, and the Rinnegan. The tablet explains all of what Rikudo went throw and the Juubi. When the uchiha found out how to get the EMS only a very few knew about the Tablet. And Assuming that the Tablet gives more information As you get higher on the Sharigan chart, Madara is the only one that knows about the Juubi and Rikudo's secrets Origonal Naruto right befor Sasuke left the Village

►He did say he was only a shell of him old self so of cores he is going to be weaker, so did Itachi ______ and chapter 401

►Madara was the clan leader and an Anbu. As the clan leader you know everything about the Uchiha's, what the Village thinks of you, and your plans. Madara seems to know every last detail about them and he has flash backs that only he could have due to his clan position as the leader chapter 396 page 14 through chapter 401

►When Izuna gave his MS to Madara everyone was saying how he stole it from him, along that to gain the EMS you need someone else MS. As Madara said that his brother willing gave it to him. That said him and his brother was extremely strong, so clearly it would be hard to steal his brother's eye. Madara said that he loved his brother dearly and when ever someone brings him up he gets ticked.

►It has been shown multiple times, Madara with his ANBU mask. And I don't think anyone would try to seal the ANBU, Leader of the Uchiha's clan mask.

►It was said that the 1st and Madara founded Konha (the statues at the Final Valley proves that). Now Madara was saying that him and the 1st had an long battle over who would be the Hokage of the new land. Now wail all of the senju's and uchiha fighting it is impossible to try to say what Madara said about the fight, unless you wanted to die and not pay any attention to your fight. chapter 398 page 16-19 and chapter 399 page 2

►Madara was explaining the hate between the two clans and how the leaders of the clan were trying to make a peace agreement. Now that treaty they were making was probably top secret at the time. And until they made the agreement not a word was shed of that so there wouldn't be any confusion. Now Madara was the clan leader so of cores he knows all of this. Anyone else, they wouldn't know of this

►Itachi set it when Sasuke see's Madara's sharinagn his ammy would go off. Guess what, it went off.
chapter 397

►All of the flash backs the contain new info about Madara has been consistent with his current self

►Only 7 people knew of what happened when Itachi killed his clan. Danzou, the 2 elders, Sasuke, Itachi, and the 3rd. Madara told Sasuke what happened, it matched up to what Itachi told him. chapter 398

►There is no way Madara can have his wear house of eye's if he wasn't there t help Itachi kill the clan. The only people that were going to kill the clan was Itachi and Madara. No one else was there to kill them. Madara has 108 sharingan he say's he likes to stalk up on them and there is no way he could of gotten all of them unless he was there the nigh him and Itachi killed the clan

►By Itachi making it so Sasuke's ammy goes off when he see's Madara's sharingan. Is saying that Itachi knew he was still alive. last few pages of chapter 396 and chapter 397 page 8

►Kisame knew something about Madara that he didn't want anyone to know. If Madara was dead he wouldn't have killed him self to protect that secret. Chapter 507

►When Tsunade was informed 'A mask man is behind all of this. We think it might be Madara' She wasn't surprised it was like she also knew he was alive The Pain arc

►Only 3 people have a space time jutsu. Minato, Madara and the 2nd. Chapter 500 I think

►Madara had a flash back explaining the fight he had with the 1st. and he had the Kyuubi with him too. What he said corresponds to what Kushina was telling Naruto about how Minato and her feel in love (the part were her sister married the 1st and she was the Kyuubi's host, and then she had died when Madara took the Kyuubi.) chapter 399

►Tobi clearly knew everything about Madara, when Madara him self was of said to have been forgotten and anything about him was gone/disappeared. chapter 399

►It was shown and confirmed that Izuna is dead. chapter 399

►Madara's Sharingan shield thing he had in the last page (511), proves he is Madara (unless he stole it).He had that throw out 99% of his flash backs.

►When Madara took off his mask to show Kisame his face. Kisame knew he was Madara

► When he said he faked his death he wasn't lying, because when Itachi told Sasuke he had help killing the clan and named Madara. Then later when Madara got Sasuke he told Sasuke he was the one that helped Itachi. So Madara never did die when he death was said to of had happened. Though anything after that is a guess.

► As for the whole one eye hole in mask thing. When Madara broke the stop of his mask, his Izangai instantly activated. So in other words you can assume he had it hid so it wouldn't go on. So like Kakashi MS.

• Madara got his MS the same age Obito got his 2 toma Sharingan
• Itachi gave Sasuke the Ammy. Itachi set it too when Sasuke see Madara's sharingan it would go off. And well it went off
• Minato said Obito is dead and there is no hope for helping him no matter what
• Rin agreed with Minato. And well she's a medic
• Kakashi knows his dead. he saw Obito get crushed.
• All the elders, 3rd Hokage, and Itachi knew Madara is alive.
• All the elders and 3rd Hokage sent Madara to help Itachi finish off the job
• When Minato fount the the Kyuubi Minato said a "Masked Man" was controlling the Kyuubi. That said the 3rd knew that Madara was alive, and I am sure Minato knew too.
• All the stuff Madara knew Obito has no clue off.
• Madara is well over 100 Obito will be in his early 30's right now
• Madara and Obito was ALIVE at the same Time at one point
• Kisame knows Madara is Madara
• Kabuto knows Madara is Madara
• And if there is any Elders left they know Madara is Madara
• Even Tsunade knows that Madara is Madara. I mean when she was told that the 'masked man' might be Madara she wasn't so surprized about it. *just a ASSUMING*
• Only Madara knows about the true of his MS, every one thinks that Madara stole it.
• Madara read the table Obito has can't even if he wanted too. *you need at lest a 3 toma sharingan Obito juts got his 2 Toma sharingan
• Madara knows about the Senjuu and all the good stuff. Only about 3 people knew about

Also

And well for any great villain they don't want to be found out; if he was found out from point one everyone would be after him and pin point him. Then his true power would be shown; only then the village would start sending out bigger and badder people to kill him

Well because for Madara's Moon eye plan he need to start off some were. Everyone does. So he starts at ground zero looking for the best possible people to execute his plan. And well for any great villain they don't want to be found out; if he was found out from point one everyone would be after him and pin point him. Then his true power would be shown; only then the village would start sending out bigger and badder people to kill him (if this wasn't done we'll still have the uchiha's). So he found Nagato and them. There clearly nobody's at the time, though Madara saw that they'll work for his ground zero plan. By him doing that, he knew they need to start off with some type of power. Nagato was shown to be able to do nothing; Madara took that to his advantage, and gave him his ace, the Rinnegan. And from there his Moon eye Plan took off

A possible reason why Madara crated his 'alto ego' tobi



Edit: Also no case closed.

Edit 2: Hell when Madara took his mask off to show kisame... Kisame was like "....What the crap! I'm sorry I have been so crude of you... Uchiha Madara"

So does that mean kisame is in on this too, when he clearly has no idea who the hell this guy is claiming to be known as Tobi? :\

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Because it is wrong. The more intricate idea, the more likely it is to be wrong.
Tobi is Madara is the most likely. To reject it requires conjecture and so called "signs." These may be true, mind you, but the mostly likely is the least exciting. Still, alteration that Tobi is a "ghost" or Tobi is A Zetsu are more likely and have more solid evidence.
The reason to reject is Occam's razor. Very reasonable.
We also learned the name of an Akimichi. Why not him? He can steal sharingan as well as anybody else.

Do you remeber Tenma. Why did we learn his name? He most be important!
No, Kishi likes to name minor meaningless characters. The same has happened here. Besdies did not Kagami work with Danzo. Why was Danzo been unable to recognize Kagami? They have met twice before, and remember Danzo does have Shishui's eye. He should be able to chakra as well as any other user of the sharingan user.

well, i get your point but there's two things here.
- i specifically said Kishi's interest in Uchiha is so important that i find it hard seeing him bring Kagami's name on scene then doing nothing about it later? It's normal with other tribes and ppl u mentioned like the akamichi, but this is an Uchiha we're talking about...
(btw...i know nothing of someone called tenma)

- Should you be right, that's still only half the way - u gotta atleast argue the fact that Kagami is just there to distract us in a way...kinda like Obito is...Is there any argument u have for that...

* The guy upstairs is making a point that during kuubi attack, kishi showed all the tobirama's team except for Kagami (do you have any thoughts on why?) or is it just by whim.

He also speaks of Tobirama's space/time technique which a sharingan user could master even better - like tobi. Would you conclude that that's a mere coincidence? - that could be. i wont argue that but i wont reject is outright either...
All i'm saying is, there's the chance even if it's 5%.

[Parak111]

Those are some pretty good points you made. I was 100% set on Tobi being Madara, but I'm really starting to wonder. What makes me wonder are several things.

1) "Madara" is hiding his face. In flashbacks, Kishi had no problem showing us Madara's real face. Having 100 years pass, Madara's sure to have a few wrinkles or a slightly scarred/aged face, but we already know the general outline of his whole body, so why even bother to hide it? That is unless it's actually someone else!

2) Zetsu has always referred to him as Tobi instead of Madara. Why would he do that? Both Zetsu refer to him as Tobi. The first time we saw Tobi was at the destroyed Akatsuki hideout from Sasori's battle with Chiyo and Sakura. And who was he with? Zetsu. Apparently, Zetsu knows who Tobi actually is, and so does Kabuto.

3) Speaking of Kabuto, when he re-entered the story again, the first thing he said to Tobi was something along the lines of "I knew I'd find you here, Tobi. Oh, sorry. You go by Madara these days, don't you?". Kabuto called Tobi with his real alias, and apologized for not using Madara, as he was going by that name. To go by a certain name, means you present your name as that name, therefore it means it's yet another alias, and not the actual name.

Another point is the white goo substance. Madara is supposed to be over 100 years old if he's still alive. Naturally, in order to be still alive he needs to have perfected some kind of immortality jutsu. But if that's the case (and there is no other if it really is Madara) then his body shouldn't have aged and he would still be the same. He is not however.

I don't think it's Kagami though. Kagami is to be around Danzo's age, as he was his teammate. What we see from behind the mask though, is a wrinkled old face. Kagami shouldn't look any different than Danzo, and he was shown in flashbacks perfectly well as well, so why hide HIS face? It doesn't make sense, not to mention that Kagami has been thought to have been assassinated during the Uchiha Massacre.

That's why I find a couple of links to Tobi being Obito, besides the peculiar similarity between their names. The white goo substance in question enters the picture again. We know that Obito has supposedly died, with his right side crushed. His body has been severely deformed due to the cave incident. That's why someone saved him/he found a way to escape death somehow, and so he uses this strange substance to restore his body. Maybe unnoticed by many, but the arm he replaced when Torune's bugs destroyed its cells was his RIGHT arm, and the white goo came from that arm. Obito's RIGHT side was crushed. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

This is where the mask comes in too. We have seen both Madara and Kagami. Madara is to be older, but that's no major revelation, as we've seen Kakuzu who's supposed to have fought The First Hokage, therefore, he is to be the same age as Madara, and yet he didn't have a mask, which makes no sense for Madara to be so hyped by hiding his face, as we've seen faces at his age. (Kakuzu's)

On the other hand, Kagami is to be around Danzo's age. We've seen both Danzo and Hiruzen (who're Kagami's age), and yes, they're old men. So why hide Kagami's face then? It's no major revelation either to see a person's face, when we account that we've already seen other people's faces with his age. It looses the hype, and reason for him to put on a mask at all.

When it comes to Obito however, it makes sense. As I've said, his whole body (and face too, obviously) are to be greatly deformed if he has survived. It hides much more hype for his deformed face to be hidden, and he HAS a reason to wear a mask. So people don't see that deformed face. And then there's his hair, which is 99% identical to Obito's. The hair looks NOTHING like Madara's OR Kagami's, and yet it is so close to Obito's.

How exactly Obito survived, how he knows the time-space ninjutsu, why he was a part of the Uchiha Massacre, how he knows all about Madara's life, how he came to create Akatsuki and how he came to want to rule the Five Great Nations is something left to Kishi to think of, though I bet he already has a lot in mind about those explanations.

It seems rather impossible for Obito to do all that, despite the ambiguous hints, but hey, it's Kishi.

[Shikamaru Nara]

This is definitely plausible, and it would explain a lot.

[deidara330]

I've written two threads on why the person Kabuto summoned can only be Madara. I still believe, however, that Tobi is Madara.

1. You admit yourself it could be a deformity. Assuming Madara survived defeat at Hashirama's hands (or even didn't survive it) he probably wouldn't look the same as he used to.

2. It's not that he wants to be Madara. Pain didn't refer to himself as a god because he wanted to be one. He called himself a god because he truly believed he was a god. Madara is calling himself Madara because he's Madara. He could also simply be refering to himself in context of the fame of his name.

3. Already agreed that Kabuto summoned Madara.

4. It's not impossible. Danzo lived to be 82. The first to ever achieve the Eternal Mangekyo could probably live a really long time. Besides, he appears to have some form of regeneration that could be helping him live longer.

5. Zetsu could be calling Madara Tobi for any number of reasons.

[pungzeyez]

i began suspecting kagami when he know the father of turune... if in case tobi is madara or obito. i dont think he know him