Spoiler Kakashi/Danzo Sharingan Inconsistancie

[EvL j3st3r]

Kakashi keeps his Sharingan covered. Why? Bc he can't turn it off and it drains his chakra. Covering it is the only way to keep it from being active.

Danzo also had a transplanted Sharingan and he (like Kakashi) kept it covered. So how was he using it to influence Mifune at the Kage Summit when it was still covered. We already know from Kakashi that covering the eye renders it inactive.....

[kalmeast]

good ?. The only way it makes sense to me is that, kakashi is very good at keeping his regular eyes closed while using the sharingan. So we want to conclude that Kakashi does the same to his Sharingan eye when he's not using it and covers it with his head band, (ie. closes his eyes under the headband)

Danzo on the other hand, opens his eyes through the bandage and is able to see through it. If the sharingan can see through a person's skin, i have no doubt it'd be able to see through a mere bandage... that's my thought.

[JazzJunkie4]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

Kakashi keeps his Sharingan covered. Why? Bc he can't turn it off and it drains his chakra. Covering it is the only way to keep it from being active.

Danzo also had a transplanted Sharingan and he (like Kakashi) kept it covered. So how was he using it to influence Mifune at the Kage Summit when it was still covered. We already know from Kakashi that covering the eye renders it inactive.....

Maybe it doesn't totally render it inactive since danzo had a seal on his arm and not his eye. Maybe it just keeps the temptation away? Idk, I'm not totally certain.

[EvL j3st3r]

Sharingan can see through skin? When did we learn this? And if it could, how would closing your eyelid over it help anything?

Anyway, I guess you may be right about he closes his eye under his mask thing. But if that's the case, why does he cover it with the mask at all....or why does he bother uncovering it when he wants to use it if all he has to do is open his eye. That explanation still leaves me unsatisfied. And I also will not be satisfied of with the answer of, "Shisui's Sharingan is better than Obito's". (bc I know someone will come with that argument)

@Jazz.....maybe. Still, he was manipulating Mifune by greatly influencing his decisions (probably with the same method Kakashi used on Zabuza). That's pretty advanced dojutsu work. I don't see him being able to pull that off if his Sharingan was "partially inactive". I think it's just PNJ of the storyline inconsistancie brand.

[kalmeast]

@ J3ster...ok...let's give it another try...
Kakashi takes the headband to unveil the sharingan for several reasons...his genjutsu for instance is based on eye contact. If you cant see his sharingan it doesn't work. (even itachi's did before he added his fingers as means of activating genjutsu)

Danzo's genjutsu on Mifune isn't based on eye contact. I dont think shisui's eye is better than obito's but when it comes to casting genjutsu, it prevails above all, no doubt. otherwise madara wont covet it so badly despite his own mind controlling sharingan.

Sharingan can see through skin? When did we learn this? And if it could, how would closing your eyelid over it help anything?

Also, sharingan can see chakra network which is in the inner part of the body (skin)...that's what i meant. if it can do that, why not a simple bandage.

<The bold area> Closing the eye is one thing vs opening a "sharingan" under a covering...

[White_fang]

maybe all danzo has to do is be in the same room and just talk and the jutsu works, my reason for that being is shisui's jutsu is undetectable so the person who just got cast upon the jutsu is unaware of being under the influence. If I knew shisui had this ocular power and he indeed has to activate his sharingan in order to use it whenever I would see shisui with his sharingan I would automatically suspect something is up. With that being said a person would be aware and contradict what Ao said about the eye.

If you catch what I'm trying to say?

[EvL j3st3r]

Originally Posted by kalmeast

@ J3ster...ok...let's give it another try...
Kakashi takes the headband to unveil the sharingan for several reasons...his genjutsu for instance is based on eye contact. If you cant see his sharingan it doesn't work. (even itachi's did before he added his fingers as means of activating genjutsu)

Danzo's genjutsu on Mifune isn't based on eye contact. I dont think shisui's eye is better than obito's but when it comes to casting genjutsu, it prevails above all, no doubt. otherwise madara wont covet it so badly despite his own mind controlling sharingan.
I know we don't often disagree.......but I disagree. ALL Sharingan Genjutsu that we've seen to this point rely on eye contact. Even those that are cast by Mangekyo. Ao said that Danzo was influencing Mifune with the Sharingan....which was covered. So there's another inconsistancie.

Also, it has been argued, by me, that Danzo used something very similar to the technique Kakashi used on Zabuza. It was INDIRECT control through manipulation. Danzo influenced Mifune to come to a decision that he THOUGHT was his own. He wasn't directly controlling him. In other words, he suggested an idea in Mifune's mind. Sound familiar? We've seen no other Sharingan technique work in such a subtle indirect manner.


Also, sharingan can see chakra network which is in the inner part of the body (skin)...that's what i meant. if it can do that, why not a simple bandage.
That's what I thought you meant. Still, I don't recall that your statement is verified by the manga. That's a Byakugan power.
<The bold area> Closing the eye is one thing vs opening a "sharingan" under a covering...

That still doesn't answer my question. This statement contradicts your prior statement. You say Sharingan can see through skin to the chakra network. The eyelid is simply a flap of skin. So how would closing it make a difference on wether or not Sharingan is actively working?

[JazzJunkie4]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

That still doesn't answer my question. This statement contradicts your prior statement. You say Sharingan can see through skin to the chakra network. The eyelid is simply a flap of skin. So how would closing it make a difference on wether or not Sharingan is actively working?

well, if it didn't maybe sasuke's eyelid would burn off when he closed his eye after amaterasu? I mean, it could happen being a fictional series and all.

[Lord Jiraiya]

I think covering it less' the chakra drain of the eye. Remember Itachi stated the Sharingan drain chakra even from the Uchiha but so little it didn't mean anything, but since Kakashi isn't a uchiha covering the eye is the only way to lessin the draining of the eye.

[mrsticky005]

Danzo has Shisui's sharingan which even Madara wanted.
So it's probably on a whole new level. It's probably the
best Sharingan you can get aside from MS or EMS.

[EvL j3st3r]

Damn you sticky! . Read my first reply to Kalmeast.

and like I said, even MS genjutsu requires eye contact. I see no justification for Shisui's regular Sharingan being an exception to this standard.

@Jazz......I've never seen ammy project directly from Sasuke's eye. It appears away from him. It's not like a bullet leaving the gun.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

Damn you sticky! . Read my first reply to Kalmeast.

and like I said, even MS genjutsu requires eye contact. I see no justification for Shisui's regular Sharingan being an exception to this standard.

@Jazz......I've never seen ammy project directly from Sasuke's eye. It appears away from him. It's not like a bullet leaving the gun.

But it probably is better. I mean you don't hear Madara saying

"I'm going to take Obito's eye from you, Kakashi."

[kalmeast]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

That still doesn't answer my question. This statement contradicts your prior statement. You say Sharingan can see through skin to the chakra network. The eyelid is simply a flap of skin. So how would closing it make a difference on wether or not Sharingan is actively working?

This can easily be explains philosophically...but we wont go there.
Let's see...

First, let's establish the fact that the speed of light is equal to the speed of a person's eyesight correct.
And sight just like light needs a vacuum (space) to travel (ie. to perform)

When an eyelid is closed, the eye is devoid of performing "sight". (Even if the eyelid was transparent because there's no "space" b/n the eyelid and the eye itself, there is no possibility of vision)

example:
1 Place a transparent plastic on top of your eye and see if you can see through it. there's no sight. your eye is "shuttered" although the plastic is transparent. (there's no "place" for "vision" to even exist to begin with)

2. Leave say 1/8" between your eye and the transparent plastic and you'd see through it without any trouble.

Repeat 2. this time with an opaque object. even though there's distance between your eye and the opaque object, u still cant see through because you're not superman correct. Now should your eye be a sharingan, which can see chakra (sasuke saw naruto's chakra inside his body and knew which was the clone at VoTE, Kakashi can see chakra but not chakra points, so we can assume sharingan can see through objects to some extent)...

urr...u know...scratch all that...i say that Shisui's eye may not need eye contact. Now you say even MS needs eye contact to genjutsu someone. But that's not totally true since Itachi commented to Naruto that all he needed was his finger to cast a genjutsu on Naruto...
ok...so this the 3rd attempt which i hope satisfies a little, yeah?

[Revived Kakuzu]

lol... Danzo covers his eye because he doesn't want people to see it. I'm pretty sure that, perhaps, he can see through the bandages, and maybe that's how he placed the genjutsu on Mifune. Otherwise it probably relies on releasing chakra and injecting it into the other person through the air or some bull like that.

[PlatonicZombie]

Sharigan can't see through skin. As for the bandage and eye closing thing, I would say that the sharigan works even if it's covered in bandages (which is why the sharigans were covered differently on Danzo's arm). This means that it is inactive only when the eye is closed. As for the question on why cover it and keep the eye closed? Why not just keep your eye closed? Because it's easier to keep your eye closed when it's covered. You strain to keep your eye lid closed when it's not covered (at least I do). But if you, for example, put your hand over your eye while it's closed, you'll find it easier to keep the eye closed. (again, this is my own observation). Also, having the eye covered up just looks cooler.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

Kakashi keeps his Sharingan covered. Why? Bc he can't turn it off and it drains his chakra. Covering it is the only way to keep it from being active.

Danzo also had a transplanted Sharingan and he (like Kakashi) kept it covered. So how was he using it to influence Mifune at the Kage Summit when it was still covered. We already know from Kakashi that covering the eye renders it inactive.....

Remember how Shisui's Eye is special?
So much that even Madara craves it.

We can be safely sure it's far from normal.

[Kreegah!!!]

It's important to remember that Kakashi's headband is also thicker material than what is used in Danzo's bandages. Also, while his arm may be sealed, it obviously recieves some circulation, so I'm guessing some of Shodai's Senju stuff leaks out from time time, which would go a long way toward sustaining Danzo even during inactive sharingan use, especially since his other sharingan are sealed much of the time.

And while Byakugan can see pinpoint chakra gates and junctions within a body, Sharingan can still see the general network, as witnessed via Sasuke's own eyes.

If we were to compare them to eye parts, I'd say the byakugan is like our cone--it sees color and definition. Sharingan is like the rods, registering and reacting to movement. It has some visual acuity, but nothing as compared to the other.

[JazzJunkie4]

Originally Posted by EvL j3st3r

Damn you sticky! . Read my first reply to Kalmeast.

and like I said, even MS genjutsu requires eye contact. I see no justification for Shisui's regular Sharingan being an exception to this standard.

@Jazz......I've never seen ammy project directly from Sasuke's eye. It appears away from him. It's not like a bullet leaving the gun.

good point. I did not realize this myself, in that case this could in fact be pnj (I would rep but I must spread the wealth apparently).