The Flash vs The Juggernaut

[Nick Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Lets say he steals the speed
Whats stopping Juggernaut from simply making more?

Also it sounds like your saying speed steal > gravity.
Is this true? Can he put things in suspended animation as to where gravity on longer affects it? If so, why doesn't he simply fly everywhere by using said ability on other things.

Well the way I'm understanding it, Flash steals the ability to make speed. That's probably wrong. Either way, I'd say that Flash would just steal the speed, taking his power for a moment, and then blitz him with super fast punches.

I don't get your question. How do speed steal and gravity equate in relation to each other?

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I don think you two realize that the juggernaut is an
ENTITY OF ENERGY in 616 mode.
Meaning his barrier is...

Blah! Just read...

http://marvel.wikia.com/Cain_Marko_(Earth-616)

^Add a ending parenthesis at the end of the link when you put it in the address bar, its not showing otherwise.

Juggernaut uses a thunderclap, flash is basically a dead-man, especially at that proximity. Unless he chooses to run, but he cannot run father than the reaches of the city made of kittens.

where does it say in there that the juggernaut is pure energy. anyway i dont think you realize all of the flash's powers if you think a thunderclap will hurt him.
flash is more than a guy who runs fast.

[Frost ninja]

I'm thinking its in the descri[tion, but 616 is an entity of energy and doesn't need food, water, etc for survival. Something to those terms were in there methinks.

I've read up on the flash, I dont see him being invulnerable to a thunderclap.

@nick

The idea is force to make motion vs motion itself.
Gravity constantly pushes force and adds speed.
If the flash can steal the ability to make speed, or leave someone completely motionless, does the flash's power override gravity, which would be applying its force to increase the speed of the object downwards?

[Rasengan SageX5]

Flash might not be immune to a Thunderclap, but the thing is, I don't think Juggs can hit him. Even going full speed, he couldn't catch Flash. Flash would just run around the planet a few times to build up momentum, then just punch Juggs as hard as he could and launch him into outer space.

[Nick Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I'm thinking its in the descri[tion, but 616 is an entity of energy and doesn't need food, water, etc for survival. Something to those terms were in there methinks.

I've read up on the flash, I dont see him being invulnerable to a thunderclap.

@nick

The idea is force to make motion vs motion itself.
Gravity constantly pushes force and adds speed.
If the flash can steal the ability to make speed, or leave someone completely motionless, does the flash's power override gravity, which would be applying its force to increase the speed of the object downwards?

Without force or energy to create motion, there is no motion.

Gravity pushes force in the downward direction, which is why we stay on the ground. The force or acceleration of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2. Since I'm gonna guess that Juggernaut isn't going to be free falling during this fight, I don't think the force of gravity really matters here, nor does whether or not Flash would override gravity.

That being said, I don't think his power would be able to cancel out a natural force like that. However, he would be able to manipulate Juggernaut's momentum with his ability to steal speed, which is crucial in determining the force of momentum.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I don think you two realize that the juggernaut is an
ENTITY OF ENERGY in 616 mode.
Meaning his barrier is...

Blah! Just read...

http://marvel.wikia.com/Cain_Marko_(Earth-616)

^Add a ending parenthesis at the end of the link when you put it in the address bar, its not showing otherwise.

Juggernaut uses a thunderclap, flash is basically a dead-man, especially at that proximity. Unless he chooses to run, but he cannot run father than the reaches of the city made of kittens.

Speed Force Flash is massively ftl Juggernaugt won't even see him coming, then it is an infinate mass punch adn Juggs goes fly out of the city. Even with a barrier, Flash rapes.

[Devils Lawyer]

Flash has the potential to win this. Just depends on what version we are talking about.

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Devils Lawyer

Flash has the potential to win this. Just depends on what version we are talking about.

i think we are talking about new earth wally west

[cnorwood]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

I'm thinking its in the descri[tion, but 616 is an entity of energy and doesn't need food, water, etc for survival. Something to those terms were in there methinks.

I've read up on the flash, I dont see him being invulnerable to a thunderclap.

-those terms mean that cyttorak is supplying him with infinte nourishment, in the same way that a yellow sun provides superman nourishment. it doesnt mean he is pure energy. besides flash will phase right through a thuderclap. and thats ignoring the fact that he is trillions of times FTL

[Seven]

Infinate Mass Punch by Rebirth's New Earth Flash, Juggs, 616, none of them have a chance.

[Frost ninja]

I was talking Jay garrik, the original flash.

[Seven]

We are talking Speed Force Flash from Rebirth's New Earth.

[Frost ninja]

I was talking Jay Garrick, like when he fist found the speed force.
That or, the flash from JLU

[Seven]

Nah, New Earth Flash is stronger than both. :P
JLU is fodder feat wise.

[Frost ninja]

I'm sure he is, but I was referring to Jay Garrick.

OP edited. Jugger is ultimate in regular form.
616 vs new earth, fair enough?

[Seven]

Sure, though 616 doesn't have a way of hitting Flash even with a thunder clap. He has no way of winning this and he has unlimited stamina making this match go on until Flash bypasses a barrier and knocks Juggs from kitten city.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Seven

Sure, though 616 doesn't have a way of hitting Flash even with a thunder clap. He has no way of winning this and he has unlimited stamina making this match go on until Flash bypasses a barrier and knocks Juggs from kitten city.

That is if he can bypass it. The barrier isn't anything to sneeze at.

[Seven]

Niether is the momentum of the Flash at massively ftl speed. He can also steal 616's speed and momentum everytime he passes him.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by Seven

Niether is the momentum of the Flash at massively ftl speed. He can also steal 616's speed and momentum everytime he passes him.

Although true, doesn't the flash need to run a bit before he hits massive ftl? He only has the city of kittens to run around in, and I don't see him getting to massively FTL with jugs firing off a thunderclap, since the flash would have to phaze through it.

[Seven]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

Although true, doesn't the flash need to run a bit before he hits massive ftl? He only has the city of kittens to run around in, and I don't see him getting to massively FTL with jugs firing off a thunderclap, since the flash would have to phaze through it.

Flash is able to control his own speed at a mastery level until he hits ftl and above, he can just zoom back and forth at already hypersonic starting speeds. Juggs uses kinetic energy like Gambit doesn't he?