Winning or Playing fairly?

[GenFlower12]

I had a district tennis match a few days ago playing doubles and unfortunately we lost.I wasn't too disappointed about it but my dad,who was watching half of it said that the girls on the other team were calling wrong like they would call an 'in' ball out after it bounced in and then bounced out.we didn't really catch it so we believed the girls and lost.
Today though we were watching the boys play and as one of ours were serving they served the ball out of the box.Instead of calling out though one of them returns it back over and since our people missed called it their point.The guy that served said no because it was a fault and the other boy nearly shouts "It's my call so I say it's in!"
Later after they lost my dad was talking to one of the assistant coaches and told what happened and he agrees with my dad about them playing unfairly.
What I'm wondering is if you're playing in any event or sport is it better to win at all cost,even if it means cheating,or playing the game right without cheating to win?And if something on your end looks suspicious is it right to just snap at the other players?

[NBT]

Cheating is for losers who can't get the job done on their own.

[Bacon]

Winning without honor is not success.

[Kreegah!!!]

Originally Posted by Bacon

Winning without honor is not success.

Yeah, just ask Charlie Sheen.

Fairness is an imperative, but snapping isn't worth it. Eventually the "winners" will be outdone; until then, let them suffer their own delusions.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Cheating is for unprofessional suckers.

[PlatonicZombie]

What's that old saying... "Rules are meant to be broken." I don't know about many countries, but I know America is all about deception, lying, and the people you know. We pretend to like a teacher to get graded easier. We elect politicians that are the best at decieving and lying to the public. And the only way to really move up from your socioeconomic standing is contingent on who you were able to make friends with. Let's face it, graduate school requires this!!! Sure it's called Letter's of Recommendation, but it's just a title that's meant to keep it appearing legitament. Really you go to the most well known professor, in your major, at the university and ask for them to fill one out for you. This is all in hopes that their name will be recognized around the different schools you apply to. (I'm not going to assume you're in the States) But if you are, it sounds like kids prepping for success. This is a "game" of course. And those that do not "play" the "game", there are a lot of us out there, are seen as lazy apathetic losers. (That's the jist of it anyway)

[OnyxBlossom]

Being a soccer player, I have to go with playing fairly.

It's all about showing how much athletic skills you have from my perspective; cheating shows you have none, and it just shows how much of a slacker you are. If I lose, I accept it and move on to try and beat the other team next time. If I win, I'll be happy, but then I'll congratulate the other team for trying their best.

Not everyone is going to try and win on their own, and I love it when they do and get caught; with the coaches we have here, it's kinda hard to cheat and not get caught.. Not that I've tried it, of course. xD

[NBT]

Originally Posted by PlatonicZombie

What's that old saying... "Rules are meant to be broken." I don't know about many countries, but I know America is all about deception, lying, and the people you know. We pretend to like a teacher to get graded easier. We elect politicians that are the best at decieving and lying to the public. And the only way to really move up from your socioeconomic standing is contingent on who you were able to make friends with. Let's face it, graduate school requires this!!! Sure it's called Letter's of Recommendation, but it's just a title that's meant to keep it appearing legitament. Really you go to the most well known professor, in your major, at the university and ask for them to fill one out for you. This is all in hopes that their name will be recognized around the different schools you apply to. (I'm not going to assume you're in the States) But if you are, it sounds like kids prepping for success. This is a "game" of course. And those that do not "play" the "game" there are a lot of us out there, are seen as lazy apathetic losers. (That's the jist of it anyway)

Here's the problem though,lying and cheating aren't necessarily the same thing.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

I'll break an arm to win if I have too, I don't mind playing dirty.

[PlatonicZombie]

Originally Posted by NBT

Here's the problem though,lying and cheating aren't necessarily the same thing.

True, but that is why I included deception. I wasn't suggesting that lying was cheating, though when you lie I would argue you are covering for some type of deception. To decieve someone, more often than not, suggests that you are cheating the person you are decieving. I said more often than not, because I understand that there are always situations which decieving could actually save lives. But I think we all know, given the subject of the thread, what kind of deception I am talking about.

[Nick Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Sasori

I'll break an arm to win if I have too, I don't mind playing dirty.

I knew I liked you for a reason.

[deidara330]

If you're cheating it means you don't give a damn how good you actually are. Rather, you want everyone to think you're the best. Someone who cheats can call themself the best even if they're caught cheating, but they know they're not the best, and the only reason they try to justify cheating is to protect their image.

Originally Posted by Bacon

Winning without honor is not success.

Success means to accomplish one's goals. If someone doesn't care about honor, they can win with as little honor as is humanly possible and still achieve success.

As for calling someone on cheating, it depends. If you feel deeply enough that the winner of a competition should always be the best, and you believe that your opponent was cheating, call them on it. The only problem is that if you want to be morally sound or appear morally sound, you have to call cheating whenever you see it, even as someone on the sidelines. To call cheating on your own match and not on anyone else's, even when cheating occured, means that you'll only do so to further your own image or progress, which is no different than cheating itself. But you shouldn't make a spectacle of it, either. If you want to approach a person or team on the grounds of cheating, and you are at least capable of providing the reasoning behind your suspicion, you simply speak to the game's officials and see if they can reverse the win or call a rematch. Although, if the match you're calling cheating on isn't your own, you should speak to the person or team you believe was cheated against and see if they care, first. If they don't have any passion for proving who the best is, exposing cheating is simply a waste of time and slowing of the process. However, even if the cheated against don't care, you should tell the official of the game so that they can watch more closely or ensure cheating can't happen in the next game, whether or not the teams care. Cheating is prohibited because the chief purpose of public competition is showing who the best is, so even if future teams don't really care about it, you should voice any suspicion of cheating to the official so that the games can continue as they were meant to happen. In any scenario, always be reasonable about expressing the concern, never shouty or angry and most particularly not in a way meant to attract large amounts of attention.

That was probably way overcomplicated, but anyways, it all depends on what you believe a competition should be, and what the person cheated against feels about it.
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Suppose cheating means breaking the rules. Often, the purpose of rules is to rule out anything that wouldn't normally prove who the better side in a competition truly is. If you feel that a rule goes against that purpose and leaves out a part of the game that should be allowed for its skill, you may petition to have it removed. You can still cheat and break only this rule, but until the rule is removed people can be justifiably against you, so it'd be better to wait until the rule is officially removed to become too involved in the game.

But, you also have to make sure the rule you want to remove isn't there to make the game more fair. A rule's second purpose may be that before it was put in, the competition was too one-sided in favor of a particular person or group because of circumstances surrounding them, and the opposing side had little to no chance of success. For spectators, it ruins the suspense and kills the excitement, unless there's still something the disadvantaged side has left to accomplish. If you think a rule goes against showing who is the best, you have to make sure that the rule wasn't made because the fun of the game was removed when a small group of people had too large an advantage over a majority.

Again, just be reasonable about all of it, no matter what you feel or do.
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Originally Posted by Sasori

I'll break an arm to win if I have too, I don't mind playing dirty.

I would take this to mean you're more interested in demontrating your lack of moral boundary than your skill at the sport in question. For example, soccer. Breaking someone's arm doesn't prove you're a better soccer player. It proves you don't care if you break someone's arm. You'd be more likely to make people afraid of you or even hateful towards you than give you respect, honor, or any meaningful recognition from it.

Unless attention is all you really want. In which case, I can genuinely tell you that if you break enough arms, you will certainly succeed at getting some.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

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[deidara330]

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[Space Cowboy Sasori]

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[TucanaTheToucan]

It is better to lose in an honest way than to win in a cheating way.

[jesse uzumaki]

no I rather win fairly then too cheat and win the game. thats what I love about competeing in something you always know the cheater is. i know this is mean but when you beat a cheater is so awesome.

[Jutsu Junkie]

It's all about your purpose. For instance, if your goal is to actually win a particular game, its impossible to do while cheating. You void your participation in any real sense by not playing by the rules. Oh, judges/refs may in ignorance declare you the winner, but it's just not real. It's mere illusion. Now, if your goal in a sport is to get more money, women, fame, etc., then cheating is winning, as long as these goals are achieved. The problem with cheating in that context, though, is that once you are exposed you become a loser. Unlike when you lose fair and square, that kind of losing precludes winning again. Just look at Pete Rose.

[GenFlower12]

Originally Posted by OnyxBlossom

Being a soccer player, I have to go with playing fairly.

It's all about showing how much athletic skills you have from my perspective; cheating shows you have none, and it just shows how much of a slacker you are. If I lose, I accept it and move on to try and beat the other team next time. If I win, I'll be happy, but then I'll congratulate the other team for trying their best.

Not everyone is going to try and win on their own, and I love it when they do and get caught; with the coaches we have here, it's kinda hard to cheat and not get caught.. Not that I've tried it, of course. xD

well I admit the people had good skill they just don't have much honesty.they are from the new school that opened in our district and it's kinda obvious they're somewhat snobby with them getting a most likely big chunk of money.almost every kid I hear has a private trainer to help them but they might learn how to play the game but I'm pretty sure they don't teach them how to act.unlike at my school where the coaches teach us how to play fairly and try our best even if we don't have as great 'teachings' as them.