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View Poll Results: Which side has the strongest military?
Sweden 2 15.38%
Russia 10 76.92%
Tied 1 7.69%
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Here I will make a comparison between two ancient enemies - Sweden and Russia. All major military vehicles will be compared to their counterparts. When voting, use only the comparisons in this thread. Do not include manpower or personal knowledge outside this thread.

APC/IFV:
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Stridsfordon 90
Crew: 3 (+7 passengers).
Speed: 70 km/h.
Operational range: 320 km.
Armor: Classified.
Armament:
1x 40mm auto cannon
1x 30mm cannon
1x 7.62mm machine gun

Swedish IFV
Immune to radar detection
Immune to thermal scan detection
Immune to infrared detection
Auto cannons can destroy medium tanks
Effective anti-aircraft capability
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MT-LB
Crew: 2 (+11 passengers).
Speed: 61 km/h (38 mph).
Operational range: 500 km (310 mi).
Armor: 14mm max.
Armament:
1x 7.62mm machine gun

Russian APC
Poor armament, but excellent for transport
Ineffective against armored vehicles
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Fighter jet:
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JAS 39 Gripen
Crew: 1.
Speed: Mach 2 (2 204 km/h - 1 372 mph).
Operational range: 800 km (500 mi).
Stealth: No.
Armament:
1x Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon
1x ALQ-TLS ECM pod
1x Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod
4x rockets
14x bombs
22x missiles

Swedish air superiority fighter
Invisible to homing missile because of ECM pod
Can land on basic roads
Outclasses any US aircraft
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Mikoyan MIG-29
Crew: 1.
Speed: Mach 2.25 (2 400 km/h - 1 490 mph).
Operational range: 1 430 km (888 mi)
Stealth: No.
Armament:
1x 30mm GSh-30-1 cannon
7x bomb- or missile hardpoints

Russian air superiority plane
Fast and agile
Excellent in dogfight
Can land anywhere
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Assault rifle:
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AK5
Magazine: 30 rounds.
Rate of fire: 700 rpm.
Effective range: 450 meters.
Sights: 4x tritium sight.
Caliber: 5.56mm (standard), 40mm (grenade launcher).

Swedish assault rifle
Grenade launcher can be attached
___


AK-105
Magazine: 30 rounds.
Rate of fire: 650 rpm.
Effective range: 500 meters.
Sights: Iron sights.
Caliber: 5.45mm.

Russian assault rifle
Excellent for close combat
Poor accuracy at far distance
_______

Helicopter:
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NHI NH90
Crew: 2 (+6 passengers).
Speed: 300 km/h (186 mph).
Operational range: 1 000 km.
Stealth: No.
Armament:
2x 7.62mm or 12.7mm machine guns
8x missiles
Room for 2 exterial gunners

Multipurpose helicopter of the EU
Not suitable for aerial combat
Good air-to-ground and transport capabilities
__________


Kamov Ka-50
Crew: 1.
Speed: 315 km/h (196 mph).
Operational range: 545 km (339 miles).
Stealth: No.
Armament:
1x 30mm cannon
2x 23mm guns
16x missiles

Russian attack helicopter
Excellent for most types of combat
_____________

Main battle tank:
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Stridsvagn 122 (Leopard 2)
Crew: 4.
Speed: 72 km/h (45 mph).
Operational range: 550 km (340 mi).
Armor: 3rd Generation composite.
Armament:
1x 120mm smoothbore gun
2x 7.62mm machine guns

German tank modified by Sweden
Considered the world's 2nd best tank
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T-90 Kartsev-Venediktov
Crew: 3.
Speed: 60 km/h (37 mph).
Operational range: 650 km (400 mi).
Armor: Steel-composite-reactive blend.
Armament:
1x 125mm smoothbore gun
1x 7.62mm machine gun
1x 12.7mm anti-aircraft gun

Russian main battle tank
Heavy equipment, but slow moving
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Superweapon:
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Elektromagnetisk puls (EMP)
Effect: Disables any electronics, no physical damage.
Range: Depends on launcher.
Area damage: Various.

Japanese superweapon also used by Sweden
Disables any electronics, including battery-driven machines
Causes no physical damage to structures or humanoids
Unstoppable by any known means
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R-36 ICMB
Effect: Causes nuclear fallout, damaging organics for generations.
Range: Depends on launcher.
Area damage: Unknown.

Damages organics for hundreds of years
Explosion can devastate several cities at once
Does not penetrate certain structures
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Russia Sweden
Total Population 140,702,096 9,045,389
Military Manpower Available
73,239,761 4,033,440
Fit for Military Service
50,249,854 3,336,983
Reaching Military Age Yearly 1,602,673 125,715
Active Military Personnel
1,245,000 34,000
Active Military Reserves
2,400,000 262,000
Active Paramilitary
359,100 38,650
Total Air-Based Weapons 3,888 744
Total Land-Based Weapons
79,985 540
Total Naval Units
526 77
Towed Artillery Systems
13,585 0
Merchant Marine Strength 1,074 195
Major Ports and Terminals 8 9
Aircraft Carriers
1 0
Destroyers 15 0
Frigates 19 0
Submarines 61 9
Patrol Coastal Craft 72 2
Mine Warfare Craft
41 0
Amphibious Operations Craft
22 0
Defense Budget / Expenditure
$43,200,000,000 $7,000,000,000
Foreign Reserves $476,400,000,000 $31,040,000,000
Purchasing Power $2,097,000,000,000 $338,500,000,000
Oil Production 9,870,000 bbl 2,350 bbl
Oil Consumption
2,916,000 bbl 363,200 bbl
Proven Oil Reserves 60,000,000,000 bbl 0 bbl
Total Labor Force
75,100,000 4,839,000
Roadway Coverage 854,000 km 425,300 km
Railway Coverage 87,157 km 11,528 km
Waterway Coverage
102,000 km 2,052 km
Coastline Coverage
37,653 km 3,218 km
Major Serviceable Airports
1,260 250
Square Land Area 17,075,200 km 449,964 km
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Originally Posted by Ninja of Tao View Post
Here I will make a comparison between two ancient enemies - Sweden and Russia. All major military vehicles will be compared to their counterparts. When voting, use only the comparisons in this thread. Do not include manpower or personal knowledge outside this thread.

APC/IFV:
Spoiler:


Stridsfordon 90
Crew: 3 (+7 passengers).
Speed: 70 km/h.
Operational range: 320 km.
Armor: Classified.
Armament:
1x 40mm auto cannon
1x 30mm cannon
1x 7.62mm machine gun

Swedish IFV
Immune to radar detection
Immune to thermal scan detection
Immune to infrared detection
Auto cannons can destroy medium tanks
Effective anti-aircraft capability
______________


MT-LB
Crew: 2 (+11 passengers).
Speed: 61 km/h (38 mph).
Operational range: 500 km (310 mi).
Armor: 14mm max.
Armament:
1x 7.62mm machine gun

Russian APC
Poor armament, but excellent for transport
Ineffective against armored vehicles
_______

Fighter jet:
Spoiler:


JAS 39 Gripen
Crew: 1.
Speed: Mach 2 (2 204 km/h - 1 372 mph).
Operational range: 800 km (500 mi).
Stealth: No.
Armament:
1x Mauser BK-27 Revolver cannon
1x ALQ-TLS ECM pod
1x Digital Joint Reconnaissance Pod
4x rockets
14x bombs
22x missiles

Swedish air superiority fighter
Invisible to homing missile because of ECM pod
Can land on basic roads
Outclasses any US aircraft
______________


Mikoyan MIG-29
Crew: 1.
Speed: Mach 2.25 (2 400 km/h - 1 490 mph).
Operational range: 1 430 km (888 mi)
Stealth: No.
Armament:
1x 30mm GSh-30-1 cannon
7x bomb- or missile hardpoints

Russian air superiority plane
Fast and agile
Excellent in dogfight
Can land anywhere
_______________

Assault rifle:
Spoiler:


AK5
Magazine: 30 rounds.
Rate of fire: 700 rpm.
Effective range: 450 meters.
Sights: 4x tritium sight.
Caliber: 5.56mm (standard), 40mm (grenade launcher).

Swedish assault rifle
Grenade launcher can be attached
___


AK-105
Magazine: 30 rounds.
Rate of fire: 650 rpm.
Effective range: 500 meters.
Sights: Iron sights.
Caliber: 5.45mm.

Russian assault rifle
Excellent for close combat
Poor accuracy at far distance
_______

Helicopter:
Spoiler:


NHI NH90
Crew: 2 (+6 passengers).
Speed: 300 km/h (186 mph).
Operational range: 1 000 km.
Stealth: No.
Armament:
2x 7.62mm or 12.7mm machine guns
8x missiles
Room for 2 exterial gunners

Multipurpose helicopter of the EU
Not suitable for aerial combat
Good air-to-ground and transport capabilities
__________


Kamov Ka-50
Crew: 1.
Speed: 315 km/h (196 mph).
Operational range: 545 km (339 miles).
Stealth: No.
Armament:
1x 30mm cannon
2x 23mm guns
16x missiles

Russian attack helicopter
Excellent for most types of combat
_____________

Main battle tank:
Spoiler:


Stridsvagn 122 (Leopard 2)
Crew: 4.
Speed: 72 km/h (45 mph).
Operational range: 550 km (340 mi).
Armor: 3rd Generation composite.
Armament:
1x 120mm smoothbore gun
2x 7.62mm machine guns

German tank modified by Sweden
Considered the world's 2nd best tank
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T-90 Kartsev-Venediktov
Crew: 3.
Speed: 60 km/h (37 mph).
Operational range: 650 km (400 mi).
Armor: Steel-composite-reactive blend.
Armament:
1x 125mm smoothbore gun
1x 7.62mm machine gun
1x 12.7mm anti-aircraft gun

Russian main battle tank
Heavy equipment, but slow moving
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Superweapon:
Spoiler:


Elektromagnetisk puls (EMP)
Effect: Disables any electronics, no physical damage.
Range: Depends on launcher.
Area damage: Various.

Japanese superweapon also used by Sweden
Disables any electronics, including battery-driven machines
Causes no physical damage to structures or humanoids
Unstoppable by any known means
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R-36 ICMB
Effect: Causes nuclear fallout, damaging organics for generations.
Range: Depends on launcher.
Area damage: Unknown.

Damages organics for hundreds of years
Explosion can devastate several cities at once
Does not penetrate certain structures
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Russia
Spoiler:
Russia Sweden
Total Population 140,702,096 9,045,389
Military Manpower Available 73,239,761 4,033,440
Fit for Military Service 50,249,854 3,336,983
Reaching Military Age Yearly 1,602,673 125,715
Active Military Personnel 1,245,000 34,000
Active Military Reserves 2,400,000 262,000
Active Paramilitary 359,100 38,650
Total Air-Based Weapons 3,888 744
Total Land-Based Weapons 79,985 540
Total Naval Units 526 77
Towed Artillery Systems
13,585 0
Merchant Marine Strength 1,074 195
Major Ports and Terminals 8 9
Aircraft Carriers 1 0
Destroyers 15 0
Frigates 19 0
Submarines 61 9
Patrol Coastal Craft 72 2
Mine Warfare Craft 41 0
Amphibious Operations Craft 22 0
Defense Budget / Expenditure $43,200,000,000 $7,000,000,000
Foreign Reserves $476,400,000,000 $31,040,000,000
Purchasing Power $2,097,000,000,000 $338,500,000,000
Oil Production 9,870,000 bbl 2,350 bbl
Oil Consumption 2,916,000 bbl 363,200 bbl
Proven Oil Reserves 60,000,000,000 bbl 0 bbl
Total Labor Force 75,100,000 4,839,000
Roadway Coverage 854,000 km 425,300 km
Railway Coverage 87,157 km 11,528 km
Waterway Coverage 102,000 km 2,052 km
Coastline Coverage 37,653 km 3,218 km
Major Serviceable Airports 1,260 250
Square Land Area 17,075,200 km 449,964 km
Read the description more specifically. Also, your information is incorrect on several areas.
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I thought Russia's Superweapon is the Tzar Bomb.

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My knowledge is better than yours, accept it. There are no errors.


For example, Sweden has no EMP pulse. Too bad.
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My knowledge is better than yours, accept it. There are no errors.


For example, Sweden has no EMP pulse. Too bad.
You say so, but your comments say something different. Sweden will have the EMP pulse cannon all tested and deployed within 2 years.
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If one can't use personal knowledge outside of the thread that is just gearing the topic towards proving you are correct. That is misleading. =/
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If one can't use personal knowledge outside of the thread that is just gearing the topic towards proving you are correct. That is misleading. =/
If I included the Russian manpower and quantity, it would make the battle highly unfair. It is better comparing the quality of the weapons.
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You say so, but your comments say something different. Sweden will have the EMP pulse cannon all tested and deployed within 2 years.
Care to place a wager on that?
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If I included the Russian manpower and quantity, it would make the battle highly unfair. It is better comparing the quality of the weapons.

Thank you, sister.
Correction, it would gear the battle against the side you favor. Not all battles are fair.

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If I included the Russian manpower and quantity, it would make the battle highly unfair. It is better comparing the quality of the weapons.

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Unfair because Russia swamps Sweden. It is Ranked 3rd in Global Fire Power, Sweden 21st.
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Care to place a wager on that?
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Correction, it would gear the battle against the side you favor. Not all battles are fair.

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Numbers are not included in these comparisons. It is a simple rule that deserves to be respected.
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Unfair because Russia swamps Sweden. It is Ranked 3rd in Global Fire Power, Sweden 21st.
Firepower is not all that means something. You must remember Sweden's highly defensive terrain, the public support, the fact that they have enough allies to defeat two superpowers together, and that Sweden has been classified as "impossible to conquer".
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Firepower is not all that means something. You must remember Sweden's highly defensive terrain, the public support, the fact that they have enough allies to defeat two superpowers together, and that Sweden has been classified as "impossible to conquer".
One word: Nuke.

And about the impossible to conquer, it is because sweden has hid behind a supposed veil of "neutrality" in all wars since gunpowder was invented (with the exceptions of against other scandinavian countries)

And there is no way JAS gripen can match any of the new Sukhoi 4th and 5th generation fighters.
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No, I do not do wager.

Numbers are not included in these comparisons. It is a simple rule that deserves to be respected.

Firepower is not all that means something. You must remember Sweden's highly defensive terrain, the public support, the fact that they have enough allies to defeat two superpowers together, and that Sweden has been classified as "impossible to conquer".
Any rule put in place to secure an unfair, illogical win does not deserve respect.
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Comparing Russia Military Force to Sweden's Military Force is like comparing Chuck Norris to Betty White.
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Russia Sweden
Total Population 140,702,096 9,045,389
Military Manpower Available
73,239,761 4,033,440
Fit for Military Service
50,249,854 3,336,983
Reaching Military Age Yearly 1,602,673 125,715
Active Military Personnel
1,245,000 34,000
Active Military Reserves
2,400,000 262,000
Active Paramilitary
359,100 38,650
Total Air-Based Weapons 3,888 744
Total Land-Based Weapons
79,985 540
Total Naval Units
526 77
Towed Artillery Systems
13,585 0
Merchant Marine Strength 1,074 195
Major Ports and Terminals 8 9
Aircraft Carriers
1 0
Destroyers 15 0
Frigates 19 0
Submarines 61 9
Patrol Coastal Craft 72 2
Mine Warfare Craft
41 0
Amphibious Operations Craft
22 0
Defense Budget / Expenditure
$43,200,000,000 $7,000,000,000
Foreign Reserves $476,400,000,000 $31,040,000,000
Purchasing Power $2,097,000,000,000 $338,500,000,000
Oil Production 9,870,000 bbl 2,350 bbl
Oil Consumption
2,916,000 bbl 363,200 bbl
Proven Oil Reserves 60,000,000,000 bbl 0 bbl
Total Labor Force
75,100,000 4,839,000
Roadway Coverage 854,000 km 425,300 km
Railway Coverage 87,157 km 11,528 km
Waterway Coverage
102,000 km 2,052 km
Coastline Coverage
37,653 km 3,218 km
Major Serviceable Airports
1,260 250
Square Land Area 17,075,200 km 449,964 km
The vast majority of these will be critical in a war. Without funding, you cannot wage war. War isn't simply a comparison between the equipment available to each side. It is about how quantity and how those are employed.

Besides, sweden could be defeated by a small country like Norway, so how would they be able to do anything in a war against the 2nd (some argue they will lose that place or have already to China) most powerful nation in the world?
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The vast majority of these will be critical in a war. Without funding, you cannot wage war. War isn't simply a comparison between the equipment available to each side. It is about how quantity and how those are employed.

Besides, sweden could be defeated by a small country like Norway, so how would they be able to do anything in a war against the 2nd (some argue they will lose that place or have already to China) most powerful nation in the world?
Exactly, look at oil production. Russia is second in the world in that.
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Exactly, look at oil production. Russia is second in the world in that.
And EMP "superweapon" makes me laugh. It is impossible to create a powerful burst enough to wipe out electronics in a large city without resorting to nuclear warheads. And then you could just as well wipe out the city itself.

And if you knew any science at all, you would have known that Russia could simply use their nuclear warheads to create EMP bursts more powerful that any non-nuclear device would even come close to matching. Look it up.

Tzar Bomba was the biggest fusion bomb ever detonated. It was at 50 Mega(million)tons, but before modification it would have been twice that powerful. It is also the most destructive device every produced by man and it was powerful enough that its shockwave was measured orbiting the earth 3 times. They said it caused a 7.1 earthquake at ground zero, but most of the energy went into the atmosphere instead of into the earth, so it didn't spread far.
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Fine, don't respect the rules of only including the listed vehicles. But can you at least respect that it took me 4 hours to look up all that information and create this thread?
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