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Old 01-09-2011, 10:51 PM   #1
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As you know due to Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke being trained by the sannin they represent the next generation of them. But I think Sasuke should be removed since Kabuto was Oro real apprentice. In truth Sasuke didn't learn any of Oro techniques Kabuto did. All of Sasuke techniques come from Itachi and Kakashi. Meanwhile Kabuto from the beginning followed Oro style healing, dead bodies etc. From what I seen Sasuke mainly trained himself when he was under Oro. Then we get on the subject of what Oro himself thought of the two. He planned on taking over Sasuke body not really make him his prodige. On the other hand he made Kabuto his right hand man and never once thought of taking his body. So who is the real third sannin Kabuto or Sasuke.

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sasuke. he had the cursemark. was orochis prize possession. body shedding. snake summons. snake hands.

kabuto started acting all snakie only after he was fused with orochi. but as you said he could heal dead bodies
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sasuke. he had the cursemark. was orochis prize possession. body shedding. snake summons. snake hands.

kabuto started acting all snakie only after he was fused with orochi. but as you said he could heal dead bodies
Ah but Sasuke didn't learn that he was given the curse mark but the snake powers were an after effect of absorbing Oro. He didn't even use said powers like that he mainly used sharigan and chidori.

Kabuto on the other hand mimic Oro from the beginning. He already had healing powers and was using dead bodies for jutsu. Also both are scientist which Sasuke is not. Haven't you wondered who taught him edo tensei.
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He read writings about it from the Tobirama.
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obviously the second hokage taught him

i guess kabuto is more oro like. but sasuke is the third (sannin) just cause hes evil and fights with naruto who is jirayas disciple
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Besides, Sasuke is more promising and is important to be the main antagonist. Besides, Sasuke was trained directly under Orochimaru, Kabuto was simply his right hand man. Also, Kabuto is in Naruto's generation and also didn't grow up with him, so him being the one of the Sannins is irrelevant.
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Oro didn't train Sasuke in his techniques he just put Sasuke in harsh conditions and Sasuke trained himself. He was Oro student he was his vessel unlike Kabuto who learned quite a bit from Oro. Actually at Kabuto progression rate he is likely to be more powerful than Sasuke.
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Doesn't matter. Sasuke > Kabuto for plot. Kabuto doesn't have enough plot for that.
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Default Re: Kabuto the real third sannin

The "next generation sannin" wouldn't be determined just by powers. There's more to it.

Kabuto wasn't on Naruto and Sakura's team, whereas Sasuke was, and Oro was on Jiraiya and Tsunade's team.

Sasuke and Oro betrayed the village, whereas Kabuto (if I remember right) never really had ties to the village and was Oro's subordinate from pretty much day one.

Both Sasuke and Oro were considered "geniuses" by the world at large, whereas Kabuto wasn't really noticed enough by the world to be considered one.

Both Sasuke and Oro joined Akatsuki.

And there's probably more that I just can't think of at 6:30 A.M.
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The "next generation sannin" wouldn't be determined just by powers. There's more to it.

Kabuto wasn't on Naruto and Sakura's team, whereas Sasuke was, and Oro was on Jiraiya and Tsunade's team.

Sasuke and Oro betrayed the village, whereas Kabuto (if I remember right) never really had ties to the village and was Oro's subordinate from pretty much day one.

Both Sasuke and Oro were considered "geniuses" by the world at large, whereas Kabuto wasn't really noticed enough by the world to be considered one.

Both Sasuke and Oro joined Akatsuki.

And there's probably more that I just can't think of at 6:30 A.M.
^This.

Of course all of the "new Sanin" have to be formidable in someway or another, but it doesn't have to be direct representation of powers. I think it's more about the bonds. If you retell the story of the Sannin it's Sasuke who fits the bill.

I do understand you're point tho. Kabuto is obviously Oro's real protege.
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You guys don't understand. The Sannin rank will die with Tsunade. Their won't be any others replacement. Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura will have another rank if they ever got one.
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As you know due to Naruto, Sakura, and Sasuke being trained by the sannin they represent the next generation of them. But I think Sasuke should be removed since Kabuto was Oro real apprentice. In truth Sasuke didn't learn any of Oro techniques Kabuto did. All of Sasuke techniques come from Itachi and Kakashi. Meanwhile Kabuto from the beginning followed Oro style healing, dead bodies etc. From what I seen Sasuke mainly trained himself when he was under Oro. Then we get on the subject of what Oro himself thought of the two. He planned on taking over Sasuke body not really make him his prodige. On the other hand he made Kabuto his right hand man and never once thought of taking his body. So who is the real third sannin Kabuto or Sasuke.
Well Susuke has no curse mark so he is mainly a hawk now. Naruto is becoming more fox but is still a frog (both). And sakura fails (still a slug). However, Kishi never intended them to be exactly like sannin, sure they learned their abilities, but they also learned their own. He never wanted them to be sannin but instead a new legacy. If they were exactly the same, that would be boring (despite sakura who hasn't progressed for about 300 chapters).
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You guys don't understand. The Sannin rank will die with Tsunade. Their won't be any others replacement. Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura will have another rank if they ever got one.
This.

However, if they do decide to rank Team 7 as something, Sasuke won't be in it. Sasuke's a criminal, he can't suddenly become a hero. Hypothetically speaking, say he is forgiven and treated as a hero, he deserves the title more than Kabuto. Its not about abilities, it's about personality. Sasuke is more like Oro than Kabuto.
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of course they won't literally be referred to as "Sannin". They're just each taking on their master's roles. Their masters being the Sannin. Sannin isn't an actual rank anyway.
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You also forget, because Sauske doesn't use things like Edo Tensi or some of the summons doesn't mean he doesn't know them. The fact is that he probably is completely able to use all the techniques that Oro used simply by instantly learning them with his Sharingan. We know that Oro trained Sauske himself, however I don't believe he trained Kabuto so much, as Kabuto was more like an assistant! he is intelligent enough to learn things here and there, however fused with Oro's remains he has gained the ability to actually execute some of his former masters jutsu's

Making this argument would then allow me to make the argument that Shizune would better represent the Tsunade disciple and that Nagato fits (though is now dead) Jiraiya's! We have to now consider that Sakura is now able to out do Shizune, Sauske is far more advanced that Kabuto, and obviously Naruto has proven his metal against the one who could possibly represent his sibling disciple!
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Default Re: Kabuto the real third sannin

It was my understanding they got the title Sannin for their feats during the second war in the Hidden Rain. It was Hanzo who gave them this title for being legendary when they fought him.

I don't see what this has to do with either Sasuke or Kabuto. Maybe if Sasuke stuck around a bit longer and the 3 of them performed something similarly amazing, Tsunade or Jiraiya might of carried the name over but how the current story went I really don't think so.
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it's more based on the representation of the Sannin and not so much the title. We consider that like Jiraiya, Naruto is a very similar character who has a similar goal to seek out his friend who was in the same squad because he went rogue to go train with Orochimaru. We say that Sauske is this generations because like Orochimaru, he left the village in search of more power, he became evil, like Orochimaru. Sakura simply fits the bill as the respresentation of Tsunade, being the short tempered, yet rational and intelligent medical ninja.
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^Thank you!!! Everyone's so literal around here. It's like metaphors are illegal or something.
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Anyway, yeah, that's the reason why I put "New Sannin" in quotes. They'll probably never actually be dubbed "2nd Generation Sannin" or anything like that, but it's obvious that Kishi was drawing a parallel between Tsunade, Jiraiya and Orochimaru and Sakura, Naruto and Sasuke.
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Wait you want to remove Sasuke as one of the new sanin and keep Sakura? What has the world come to?

I am all for add Kabuto to the sanin, but since Tsunade was such a pathetic member anyway. Sasuke can stay as he was trained by Orochimaru and Kakashi. That seems good enough. Anyone trained by Tsunade doesn't deserve any title more glamorous than nurse.
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