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Old 12-27-2010, 08:51 PM   #101
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Kimmi is most likely fully healed no sickness kage tier. But with sickness High
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Old 12-27-2010, 08:55 PM   #102
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How about Naruto with no Sage or Rikudou Mode. Shouldn't he be upper High, or a lower Kage?
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Old 12-27-2010, 08:56 PM   #103
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Kimmimaro didn't show feats without sickness, and hype can only do him so much since he teamed up with Orochimaru against the 34th Kazekage

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Old 12-27-2010, 08:59 PM   #104
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Kimmimaro didn't show feats without sickness, and hype can only do him so much since he teamed up with Orochimaru against the 34th Kazekage



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Well With out sickness, I would say he would of Killed Gaara and Lee in their fight. Wouldn't you agree?
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:00 PM   #105
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Even with the sickness he should have. The reason they survived was Deus Ex Machina.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:09 PM   #106
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He definitely would have killed them, but they were also PTS level and he struggled.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:17 PM   #107
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He definitely would have killed them, but they were also PTS level and he struggled.
He was half dead, HOPEFULLY edo tensei will clear feats up for him.
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Old 12-27-2010, 09:20 PM   #108
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I'm removing the top-mid-bottom things on the lower tiers since the upper tiers don't have them, if you mind.

Why's Minato so low, if he has hype and prep shouldn't he be higher? He can just have several kunai spread out on the battlefield already.
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Well, by hype and prep, he should be higher yes.

By feats? Probably.
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I believe Hiruzen's position should be changed.

If he's old then he shouldn't be that high with his poor amount of feats. Even with hype he was clearly out of shape and lacked the stamina to use many jutsu.

If he's at his prime then he should be higher through hype considering how he was said to have vast knowledge of jutsu, I believe the manga said he knew all jutsu in Konoha or something of the sort.
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I believe Hiruzen's position should be changed.

If he's old then he shouldn't be that high with his poor amount of feats. Even with hype he was clearly out of shape and lacked the stamina to use many jutsu.

If he's at his prime then he should be higher through hype considering how he was said to have vast knowledge of jutsu, I believe the manga said he knew all jutsu in Konoha or something of the sort.
I believe some ANBU dude said he was miserable compared to his prime, or was it Orochimaru? Anyway, going by most recent abilities, Sarutobi must be far below what he would be in prime.
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I think the Anbu dude said so.

In any case if it's Old Hiruzen then he's much too high.
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I placed Hiruzen in there initially as Old Hiruzen. He was lower down than that. But I included intelligence, and hype in with it.

I agree though. He needs moved down. Low Kage perhaps?
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Old 12-28-2010, 09:23 AM   #114
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Shouldn't Gai be on Legend tier? considering Kisame is on legend tier and Gai defeated Kisame.
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Gai should be Legend Tier. He was able to hold his own against Kisame, and he is already confirmed Supersonic; Supersonic+ via Powerscaling. If not Legend Tier, then definitely Upper Kage Tier.
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Old 12-28-2010, 12:06 PM   #116
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I placed Hiruzen in there initially as Old Hiruzen. He was lower down than that. But I included intelligence, and hype in with it.

I agree though. He needs moved down. Low Kage perhaps?
Even Old Hiruzen nearly killed Orochimaru, who's in Legend Tier.

As far as Gai goes, he dominated Kisame. Adding Samehada still wouldn't change a whole lot. If Kisame's Legend Tier, then Gai should be, too.
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Orochimaru wasn't even going all out.
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I wonder if Orochimaru was going all out when he fought KN4.
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Orochimaru said he was at his limits against KN4 and couldn't continue. But he was also weakened.
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Guy isn't Legend to me. 6-Gates Guy had to be used to take down 30% Kisame. 7-Gates was indeed brutal, but still... He caught Kisame completely off-guard. Kisame was weakened and tired, and still survived the attack. The only reason Guy won is because Kisame had no idea his attack wouldn't be absorbed.

That said after the fight, Kisame still had power, Guy passed out and couldn't even be touched without agonizing pain.
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