Naruto Tier List - Group Debate

[Lady Tsunade]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

Yea Katsuyu is defintly her trump card not only does she have size and cloning abilities but she has acid slime can melt through his dense little Kekkei Genkai bones.

Yeh, I'm glad you see it my way ;]

Deidara has proven himself after not only having his arm taken by Gaara and then the other by Kakashi not to mention taking hits from KN0 Naruto turning KN1 and then afterwards fighting off team Gai with a Kunai in his mouth and still able to escape.

Indeed. Even without his mounds of clay he has brilliant feats, outside of offence, like tanking the loss of both his arms like you said.

He also held his own against Sasuke if it wasn't for Sharingan he would've lost that fight I mean seriously Microscopic bombs! Deidara is also immune to any Genjutsu because of his left eye and can react quickly with clay clone substitutions.

Indeed, C4 is so hax. A gargantuan bomb, that blows up into billions and billions of smaller microscopic ones? If Sasuke didn't have the element advantage he would've lost that match for sure.

Originally Posted by Super Sanin 3

What if he used dance of the seedling fern? That could potentially harm Katsuya

Not really. The Slug could divide into thousands of smaller divisions to avoid damage, or if that fails for some reason, she could arguably use her ' melding ' ability to absorb the attack.

[Super Sanin 3]

Not really. The Slug could divide into thousands of smaller divisions to avoid damage, or if that fails for some reason, she could arguably use her ' melding ' ability to absorb the attack.

I think he can also fuse with the bones that he summons using that

[Lady Tsunade]

He can, but what good would that do? Brings him closer to Katsuyu, he's more easily body slammed or absorbed.

[Super Sanin 3]

IDK how he gets into the bones though, w/o knowledge Tsunade might not know where he went

Unless both have knowledge here, then Tsunade would GF him

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

He can, but what good would that do? Brings him closer to Katsuyu, he's more easily body slammed or absorbed.

And how does that kill him? He could easily bring up more bones from inside Katsuyu, just like he did under Gaara's Tsunami.

[Lady Tsunade]

Originally Posted by J-Sun Tasogare

And how does that kill him? He could easily bring up more bones from inside Katsuyu, just like he did under Gaara's Tsunami.

If that happens then the slug just has to divide, and then try and suffocate or immobilise him again via its melding ability.

[Yori]

[TheBlackChidori]

[QUOTE=Lady Tsunade;5466877]On top of the Summon, she will either be too small a target to aim at [Chapter 170 page 12] or not within Kakashis field of vision assuming he is too close to the summon. [Chapter 166 page 2]. Anyway, Kakashi isn't significantly faster than Tsunade, blitzing her isn't going to be easy.

Well. Considering his skill level now allows him to Kamui a Susanoo arrow, I don't think she'll be safe up there. Katsuyu's not that fast

Certainly. Katsuyu could body slam him, or Acid Slime him, or split into thousands of smaller divisions and attempt to absorb him in overwhelming numbers.

Your giving Katsuyu offensive feats when all she has done is smother people and acid a rock.

What has the old woman got on Katsuyu? Acid Slime would decimate her puppets when used in succession. Tsunade is also a lot faster than Sasoris puppets, or even Sasori himself, who Chiyo fails to react to on occasion. And with preparation, Tsunade can heal and fight simultaneously thanks to Katsuyu divisions, no matter what damage Chiyo inflicts Tsunade can recover back from it.

10 Puppets with projectiles and weapons and etc? I just dont think that's the best matchup for a Taijutsu fighter. Again this is you seriously underestimating Sasori.

And likewise Darui can't withstand having a Boss Summon summoned on top of him, or even avoid Acid Slime in succession, especially with smaller Katsuyu divisions serving distractions. In close range there is no significant speed gap between him and the Princess from what I remember.

LOL who do you think she is, Minato summoning things on people? It's Tsunade. Again. Wank acid slime.

Anyway, doesn't Darui use Black Panther to take out many opponents at once? It's not something he start a battle with in a 1v1 match. With preparation Tsunade should be able to recover the damage this technique inflicts anyway.

He did against Sasuke.

Tsunade jumped about a third of Konoha in only a second or so. Covering large distances quickly is absolutely no problem for her.

wut

Iron Sand Blocks can repelled by Tsunades strength, Iron Sand World Order - if it takes effect anything like it did against Sakura, a few scratches are hardly going to slow her down, of course she always has Katsuyu to act as a shield. And poison is no problem since Tsunade has antidotes with the preparation you gave her. 100 puppets are slowly decimated by Katsuyus Acid Slime, those that get too close to Tsunade can be destroyed by her though. Baring in mind her taijutsu and reflexes>>>Sakuras, who manages to destroy a few herself. In normal circumstances, I wouldn't say Tsunade>Sasori. But with preparation? Hells to the yes.

Iron sand can be repelled? WUT? Having antidotes for Sasori's poison who involved prep. For that matter, Sakura is the one who made the antidote after pulling it from Kankuro's bloodstream. And there is absolutely no way she could repel iron sand. She MIGHT be able to knock it off course, but thats not the 3rd Kazekage's only weapon. Puppet gas, the 1000 arms thingy, I don't see how Tsunade avoids it.

Again. Acid Slime. What has it done? Nothing.

Oh, well given that Mifune was above Hanzo, and Jiraiya and Orochimaru were waay above Hanzo, I assumed Hanzos placement was solely based on feats. Granted on hype Hanzo would destroy Tsunade. But if hype is significantly included Hanzo should be a hell of a lot of higher on the list. Also, Tsunade has plenty of highly impressive speed feats, I don't consider Mifunes considerably better than hers, he can interupt handseals, which is great for him and everything, but realistically so could any other shinobi if they so wished, using Body Flicker - which is instant.

But the point is, he was able to interrupt shinobi's handseals that specialized in body flicker, like Hanzo. If he can stop his jutsu, Tsunade's never going to get a punch at him. She's too sluggish and slow. See the 10,000 craters she put in the ground when chasing Kabuto and Oro.

Why would Katsuyus highly durable body fail to shield Tsunade? Anyway, Choujis huge so jumping on top of him should be relatively easy, from there a Rashinsho ends it.

A spiky human boulder would rip through a slug....Have you ever seen a slug? Besides Choji always has chips. Salt > Slug

[Lady Tsunade]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Well. Considering his skill level now allows him to Kamui a Susanoo arrow, I don't think she'll be safe up there. Katsuyu's not that fast

That shows Kakashi has considerable speed with the Kamui, he can hit fast moving objects, but smaller, distanced objects could be a different story altogether.

Your giving Katsuyu offensive feats when all she has done is smother people and acid a rock.

...and? Smothering people can be used for offence. And using acid to strike Manda..is similarly a form of offence.

10 Puppets with projectiles and weapons and etc? I just dont think that's the best matchup for a Taijutsu fighter. Again this is you seriously underestimating Sasori.

Yes. 10 puppets with projectiles and weapons etc. what do they have on Katsuyu? How am I underestimating Sasori? I'm aware of what he can do, I'm also aware of what Tsunade can do. If Chiyo and Sakura can destroy most of Sasoris 100 puppets, then why should Tsunade and Katsuyu be any different? Especially since their offence is arguably a lot better.

LOL who do you think she is, Minato summoning things on people? It's Tsunade. Again. Wank acid slime.

I think she's a woman called Tsunade who can summon her slug on top of people. No reason why she couldn't. Acid Slime spreads out to equal about the same size as Katsuyus head [Chapter 170 page 8 or 9 I think?], and if you look how much bigger the slugs head is in comparison to humans, you can see how huge its AoE is. It's difficult to avoid.

He did against Sasuke.

Chapter reference? I only remember him using Laser Circus on Sasuke.

wut

During the Invasion of Pein, Pein uses Chou Shinra Tensei to obliterate Konoha, and reduce it to a giant crater. Tsunade is first spotted on page 9 of Chapter 430. She has used all of her chakra protecting Konoha, and is in a very unhealthy state. She is also sitting down, and her ANBU guard is under heavy surveillance of her. In other words, if she tries to move about, she should be noticed.

Now, note that from pages 11-13, we are shown Konan and the other Paths of Pein, as well as Naraka reviving Asura. However, this is happening at the same time as when Naruto confronts Pein. In other words, at most - there is a few seconds gap between page 9 when Sakura realises Naruto is on the battlefield, and when Nagatos other Paths fall onto the battlefield, to join Deva. Which funnily enough - is when Tsunade appears again [page 14]. Despite having previously sat down, at a great distance behind - she managed to jump the entire distance in one go. And does so , so quickly - that her ANBU guard, known for their top tier senses , doesn't even notice her move, until she appears on the ground again. Even then, by the time Tsunade tells Pein off, and Pein backtalks her, and Asura is fired at her - her ANBU guard, although jumping when Tsunade started to talk, has not even reached ground by the time Asura Path is right in front of her. Which should also show that a near comatose Tsunade was able to jump this huge distance faster than her ANBU was. We never see her actually jump off the side of the Konoha crater, but from what I have provided above. We should be able to see the rough amount of time it took. Little more than a few seconds.

Covering distances even in unhealthy conditions is something very doable for her.

Iron sand can be repelled? WUT? Having antidotes for Sasori's poison who involved prep. For that matter, Sakura is the one who made the antidote after pulling it from Kankuro's bloodstream. And there is absolutely no way she could repel iron sand. She MIGHT be able to knock it off course, but thats not the 3rd Kazekage's only weapon. Puppet gas, the 1000 arms thingy, I don't see how Tsunade avoids it.

No, read carefully. Iron Sand Blocks can be repelled by Tsunades strength. The exact same thing as Sakura did. Other forms of Iron Sand like giant spikes or World Order cannot be repelled the same way, some could be avoided, or in the case of World Order where she can't avoid because of speed and a large AoE she has Katsuyu as a defence. Anyway, Sakura [who had no defence] seemed to only come out of Sasoris world order attack with scratches and cuts, Tsunade who has significantly better evasion should at least do similar. You've gave all these characters preparation, so I don't know why the Hokage wouldn't have access to antidotes whenever she is a medical specialist. Puppet gas is useless, Sakura held her breathe and didn't escape because Sasori bound her with rope, with Tsunades huge body strength, do you really think a rope will hold her still? She can break free and run away from the poison gas. 1000 arms isn't fast at all, a heel drop could smash the arms, or if for any reason that was too risky she just has to retreat backwards.

Again. Acid Slime. What has it done? Nothing.

So because its never injured anyone it's useless? Nice.

Because my car has never ran anyone over it can't do so at all?

Somehow I don't think so. Katsuyus acid was fired at Manda, a target who was actually much larger than Katsuyu, never mind the acid she spat, and when you combine that with the fact he's already extremely fast, it's no wonder he avoided so effortlessly. For a human, avoiding it is not so simple. Bare in mind for a human, even a small splash of acid bouncing off the ground and hitting your arm or leg could burn the whole way through your limb and make you bleed out. As such, avoiding the initial acid blast, may not be enough to completely avoid the attack.

But the point is, he was able to interrupt shinobi's handseals that specialized in body flicker, like Hanzo. If he can stop his jutsu, Tsunade's never going to get a punch at him. She's too sluggish and slow. See the 10,000 craters she put in the ground when chasing Kabuto and Oro.

When was it said Hanzo specialised in Body Flicker? And like I said before, he's fast but interrupting ones handseals isn't impossible for any decently fast shinobi, regarding they are trying to interrupt the handseals. I hate that horrible misconception everyone has of her being " Sluggish " . Because she isn't slow in the slightest. She's not a top tier speedster, but that doesn't make one slow. In Part I, not Part II, where she is no longer out of shape, when she chases Kabuto and Orochimaru she gradually runs short of breathe and fails to land a solid hit. By the time she gets really serious and overcomes her blood phobia she can blitz Orochimaru and outrun Manda, intercepting his attack. Besides those strikes were all thrown off panel, Kabuto and Orochimaru could've been far ahead of her when she was chasing them, making it harder to lands hit - we just don't know.

A spiky human boulder would rip through a slug....Have you ever seen a slug? Besides Choji always has chips. Salt > Slug

Have you ever read this manga? Humans who are normally killed by stab wounds can have their arm lopped off and live without so much as flinching. Their clothes seem to always stay in tact regardless of the damage thrown at them. Giant firebreathing frogs are able to speak english. You think a slugs durability in real life reflects its durability in this manga?

Katsuyu has tanked a Chou Shinra Tensei, with mounds of rubble falling on top of as an aftereffect, this damage was also tanked in smaller forms. A larger, undivided Katsuyu should surely be able to take destructive damage of Spiky Human Boulder without being killed. Anyway, regardless of tanking ability - if the Slug divides with Tsunade being protected by divisions she should be able to escape damage.

[megabbaut]

How are Killer Bee and Sasuke above A? He has shown to be superior to both of them :/

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by megabbaut

How are Killer Bee and Sasuke above A? He has shown to be superior to both of them :/

Uhm no.

Bee successfully blocked Raikage's Punch thus proving he is around his Speed if not faster than A.

Not to mention "blocked".

We know his Power is enormous.

[TheBlackChidori]

So say it for what it really is, LT. This isn't even so much Tsunade going up on the tier list as it is Katsuyu going up on the tier list.

[Super Sanin 3]

Okay back to what i was saying, by logic ebisu should >> karin in 1vs1

[RINNEMAN1]

Please move Rock Lee up above Ameyuri and Jinin.

[Kuromaki]

Since they're at full power, does that mean Sarutobi is in his Prime? Idk if this question was asked before..

Also, I'm kinda at a loss as to how A beats orochimaru, especially with Edo Tensei. Because Orochimaru can just regenerate, and last I checked, A's armor isn't as tough as diamond.

Tsunade is a bit too low too, she should be around Chiyo's level especially with Katsuyu. I know people be hatin, but Katsuyu's acid slime covers quite a wide range, and then there's Tsunade herself. Ehh I guess I'll let LT argue this one. xD

Also, Temari should be wayy higher, I mean if Kankuro is up there, temari should be too, and she's definitely above him. How the heck is Kankuro that high anyway?

Lastly, the Konoha 11 family members should be higher through power scaling, namely the Inuzukas, Choza, and Inoichi.

[RINNEMAN1]

Originally Posted by Kuromaki

Since they're at full power, does that mean Sarutobi is in his Prime? Idk if this question was asked before..

Also, I'm kinda at a loss as to how A beats orochimaru, especially with Edo Tensei. Because Orochimaru can just regenerate, and last I checked, A's armor isn't as tough as diamond.

Tsunade is a bit too low too, she should be around Chiyo's level especially with Katsuyu. I know people be hatin, but Katsuyu's acid slime covers quite a wide range, and then there's Tsunade herself. Ehh I guess I'll let LT argue this one. xD

Also, Temari should be wayy higher, I mean if Kankuro is up there, temari should be too, and she's definitely above him. How the heck is Kankuro that high anyway?

Lastly, the Konoha 11 family members should be higher through power scaling, namely the Inuzukas, Choza, and Inoichi.

Sarutobi prime is hype, so no.

Maybe...

I am the reason she is so low. I say she's above Jugo.

Yes Temari should be higher and Kankuro is that high probably from Sasori puppet.

They are hype as well so no.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by RINNEMAN1

They are hype as well so no.

Hype?

More like logically being stronger.

Hana has 3 Dogs and has been shown around the same Speed as Kiba.

She's basically a Kiba with 3 Dogs.

Tsume due to being their Mother and as we know Parents>Their Kids in Naruto until proven otherwise.

So naturally Tsume with Kuromaru should be much stronger than Hana who has 3.

Hype?How about using some Brains.
Tsume>Kiba and yet he is in front?=/


Inoichi isn't hype during the Oto/Suna Invasion he demonstrated Mind Body disturbance pretty much instantly.

[Kuromaki]

Originally Posted by RINNEMAN1

Sarutobi prime is hype, so no.

Maybe...

I am the reason she is so low. I say she's above Jugo.

Yes Temari should be higher and Kankuro is that high probably from Sasori puppet.

They are hype as well so no.

Oh yeah like Sasori puppet matters when it's been cut into a million pieces :/

What's wrong with using hype? Yeah if it's baseless hype, then sure, but not actual logic and common sense.

[RINNEMAN1]

Originally Posted by Vivi

Hype?

More like logically being stronger.

Hana has 3 Dogs and has been shown around the same Speed as Kiba.

She's basically a Kiba with 3 Dogs.

Tsume due to being their Mother and as we know Parents>Their Kids in Naruto until proven otherwise.

So naturally Tsume with Kuromaru should be much stronger than Hana who has 3.

Hype?How about using some Brains.
Tsume>Kiba and yet he is in front?=/


Inoichi isn't hype during the Oto/Suna Invasion he demonstrated Mind Body disturbance pretty much instantly.

Choza is weaker than Choji.

Shikaku is weaker than Shikamaru.

Hiashi is weaker than Neji.

[ILIKEPIE]

I think Tenten should move up a little