Naruto Tier List - Group Debate

[jjjs]

why is hanzo the guy that stomped all 3 sannin in their prime that low ?
and is there a reason for zabuza being lower than asuma tsunade and hidan even though it has already been established that he can beat all 3 of them (one at a time )

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by jjjs

why is hanzo the guy that stomped all 3 sannin in their prime that low ?
and is there a reason for zabuza being lower than asuma tsunade and hidan even though it has already been established that he can beat all 3 of them (one at a time )

Because it's hype. We only saw the aftermath of the fight, in which Hanzou showed no feats at all really.

Wow, that is unbelievable that you just said that. Katsuyu summoning stomps Zabuza.

[jjjs]

and water vortex would stomp tsunade
and what about the others ?

[Shikamaru Nara]

Doubtful. Katsuyu has killed him already.
Hidan is probably just as fast as Zabuza.
Asuma was able do hand to hand with Hidan.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Katsuyu can't hit him if she can't aim. And water vortex spamming as well as water dragon would hurt her and eventually put too much water in her body that she would die.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by J-Sun Tasogare

Katsuyu can't hit him if she can't aim. And water vortex spamming as well as water dragon would hurt her and eventually put too much water in her body that she would die.

And he wouldn't be able to aim with his head inside his stomach.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

And he wouldn't be able to aim with his head inside his stomach.

How is Katsuyu going to do anything to Zabuza when she is blinded by mist and Zabuza could easily use clone feints and scale Katsuyu.

[Lady Tsunade]

Acid Slime might not even be necessary. Tsunade can Summon Katsuyu on top of Zabuza, who is by and large - a close range fighter. Hidden Mist is useless against a Giant Slug, who uses antennae to detect things, their eyes aren't used all that much. As long as Tsunades atop Katsuyu, Zabuza can't touch her, Katsuyu can inform her of where he is at all times. If Zabuza approached Katsuyu he gets absorbed. Whats even better is that as far as I'm aware, Zabuza will be aiming to kill Tsunade, not Katsuyu. The Mist is as much of an advantage to Katsuyu as it is to Zabuza, Acid Slime at Zabuzas location prevents him doing anything all too quickly. And if he's trying to target Tsunade, he may not be likely to notice the Slime while the mist is surrounding him.

Rusty Tsunades reacted to pilled PTS Kabuto, and with all her hype of being evasive, getting back into shape since the Time Skip, her status as Hokage and her great shunshins, I don't have much doubt current Tsunade could react to Zabuza, he has good close range shunshins, and he kept up with Part I Kakashi [who to my knowledge didn't attack him at close range with that much speed] but thats about it, iirc. Zabuza couldn't possibly beat her. I think Kishimoto would be inclined to want us to believe that too.

But, we should leave this for another time, you know what I'm like :L

[J-Sun Tasogare]

If Zabuza uses Water Clones it confuses Katsuyu , and no it's Zabuza's advantage as he can sense better that Tsunade and possibly Katsuyu, and Katsuyu isn't an insect so she doesn't have antennas?

[Lady Tsunade]

Katsuyu is a slug. Slugs have antennae. The top pair is for seeing, but its limited. The second pair is for smelling and sensing. Yes, I know its Zabuzas advantage, its Katsuyus too.

EDIT: On another note, I added Choji, Choza, Inoichi, Shikamaru, Juugo, Hana, Tsume and Kiba to the list. Most are Mid Tier. Change as you please.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Katsuyu is a slug. Slugs have antennae. The top pair is for seeing, but its limited. The second pair is for smelling and sensing. Yes, I know its Zabuzas advantage, its Katsuyus too.

EDIT: On another note, I added Choji, Choza, Inoichi, Shikamaru, Juugo, Hana, Tsume and Kiba to the list. Most are Mid Tier. Change as you please.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_slugs_see
Nope, if the light gets clouded by mist Katsuyu's sight decreases and smell and feeling will help, as everyone has that, it doesn't help clearly.

[Lady Tsunade]

O dayuum. I thought their antennae sensed thing from the ground, which is how the detected surroundings. I guess not =O

Aw well, if Zabuzas close range, theres nothing stopping Katsuyu being summoned on top of him.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

O dayuum. I thought their antennae sensed thing from the ground, which is how the detected surroundings. I guess not =O

Aw well, if Zabuzas close range, theres nothing stopping Katsuyu being summoned on top of him.

Nope, summons appear from under the summoner (hence them all being ontop of the summons when they're summoned. So Zabuza would just be onto of Katsuyu.

[Lady Tsunade]

Nope. Tsunade summoned Katsuyu in front of her in the Pein Arc, Zabuza would be crushed.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Nope. Tsunade summoned Katsuyu in front of her in the Pein Arc, Zabuza would be crushed.

She did that on purpose cause she didn't want to be ontop of Katsuyu, and lets see her try and summon Katsuyu behind her which is where Zabuza would be.

[Lady Tsunade]

Exactly. She can choose where she summons her. Below her, or in front of her.

Zabuza behind her? Zabuzas shunshins are no better than Tsunades tbh. She could Legendary Heel Drop at him. Orochimaru and Kabuto didn't see her coming until the last moment. Whats saying Zabuza would be any different? And considering the radius of damage her kick has, he'd need to shunshin a good distance in either direction. So close range attacks wouldn't really be possible.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Exactly. She can choose where she summons her. Below her, or in front of her.

Zabuza behind her? Zabuzas shunshins are no better than Tsunades tbh. She could Legendary Heel Drop at him. Orochimaru and Kabuto didn't see her coming until the last moment. Whats saying Zabuza would be any different? And considering the radius of damage her kick has, he'd need to shunshin a good distance in either direction. So close range attacks wouldn't really be possible.

Exactly, but it won't crush anyone unless the summoner is in the air, unless said person is obstructing the space like length and such, but that wouldn't kill anyone.

In the mist yes, he did it to Team Kakashi, and to Kakashi himself with his sharingan out, and foreknowledge of the technique. And PTS Kakashi is equal to Tsunade with reaction speed. So yes, with all this considered he uses Silent Homocide Technique and gets behind her, her sight being clouded (Kakashi's sharingan could barely see through it when it was super thick.)

[Lady Tsunade]

Huh? Yeh, if she wanted to summon it below her maybe, if she summons it in front of her. Not so much. Of course, it would all depend on distance and location. We're debating this without any conditions.

Except for that Kakashi stood still did he not? Nothing really stopping Tsunade shunshining away once she hears Zabuza swing his blade. And Kakashi was on his own, Zabuza has a 30-40 metre Giant Slug to deal with too, which can drop divisions at him through the mist. Or spit acid at him through it. I should also note, that with Tsunades strength being great enough to lift Gamabuntas sword and smash a large amount of buildings with a quick strike during the Pein Arc, iirc - breaking the blade in two might be doable.

Tsunades main problem with Zabuza would be his water style, though handseals are its downfall.

Of course, I thought we were including intelligent hype to this tier list? SotSP is at the top, even though he's featless. And Kushina, who only really has tanking feats, is high Kage Tier. So with Tsunade, who has more feats, and has the hype of being a Kage and what not, being able to defeat Zabuza should be a fairly simple task, should it not?

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by Lady Tsunade

Huh? Yeh, if she wanted to summon it below her maybe, if she summons it in front of her. Not so much. Of course, it would all depend on distance and location. We're debating this without any conditions.

Except for that Kakashi stood still did he not? Nothing really stopping Tsunade shunshining away once she hears Zabuza swing his blade. And Kakashi was on his own, Zabuza has a 30-40 metre Giant Slug to deal with too, which can drop divisions at him through the mist. Or spit acid at him through it. I should also note, that with Tsunades strength being great enough to lift Gamabuntas sword and smash a large amount of buildings with a quick strike during the Pein Arc, iirc - breaking the blade in two might be doable.

Tsunades main problem with Zabuza would be his water style, though handseals are its downfall.

Of course, I thought we were including intelligent hype to this tier list? SotSP is at the top, even though he's featless. And Kushina, who only really has tanking feats, is high Kage Tier. So with Tsunade, who has more feats, and has the hype of being a Kage and what not, being able to defeat Zabuza should be a fairly simple task, should it not?

Now even you can't say Tsunade is fast enough to dodge Zabuza's Silent Homocide Technique from behind her when even Kakashi who had the aid of a sharingan could . 8|

Tsunade doesn't have more feats, Zabuza does. And Zabuza has the hype of being part of an Org that gave the Hidden Mist trouble for many years as well as one of the best skilled assassins out there. So not a simple task.

[Lady Tsunade]

Originally Posted by J-Sun Tasogare

Now even you can't say Tsunade is fast enough to dodge Zabuza's Silent Homocide Technique from behind her when even Kakashi who had the aid of a sharingan could . 8|

Tsunade doesn't have more feats, Zabuza does. And Zabuza has the hype of being part of an Org that gave the Hidden Mist trouble for many years as well as one of the best skilled assassins out there. So not a simple task.

I thought the only reason Kakashi couldn't detect him was because he couldn't see Zabuzas chakra, as the mist had chakra within it. Thus making everything look the same. Kakashi had only reaction to go by, Tsunade has Katsuyu and foot stomps on top of that.

Wut? I beg to differ. Tsunades thrown tons of punches/kicks, used many shunshins, tanked loads of hits, Summoned Katsuyu on several occasions in different ways, Katsuyu has shown various abilities, Tsunade has shown lots of healing abilities, displyed massive strength etc. Zabuza has showed some water jutsu, and he kept up with Part I Kakashi with various shunshin. Silent Homicide is just shunshins at close range while the user can't see correct?

Tsunade, who is reaction - wise, around P1 Kakashi speed perhaps, will be giving Zabuza trouble alone, add on Katsuyu - and all he really has is Mist and water jutsu to defend himself. If he uses water style on Katsuyu Tsunade attacks him. If he attacks Tsunade, well tbh, she could probably shunshin to safety, or if not, Katsuyu attacks him.

Hell, whats stopping Tsunade throwing a massive Katsuyu division at Zabuza? Or Katsuyu dropping a massive Division on Zabuza as he makes his mist? And since Tsunade has a mental connection with Katsuyu, she can tell her where she's standing, and thus not be in danger of being hit.