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Old 01-06-2014, 01:32 PM   #2701
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It was sort of an invitation to work together. I'll have to do it the next time I'm procrastinating my writing, which is sadly daily.

I'll write something up, post it, you can tweek it, we come to agreements, accept input if need-be, etc.
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Old 01-06-2014, 01:38 PM   #2702
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Oh ok. Sounds good to me.
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Old 01-10-2014, 04:15 PM   #2703
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Kabuto shows the feats of using ET on 20+ Shinobi, including Kages, Jinchiruuki, and Madara. Tobirama doesn't have the feats of using Edo Tensei, so he doesn't get the credit on the list.

Nothing can be done in the BGs without feat. Hype only goes so far. Just because Part 1 stated that Hiruzen was the strongest Kage, that doesn't necessarily make it true. Honestly, do you see full-power Hashirama or Minato falling to Hiruzen, given the feats?
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Ok, thanks. Not around battlegrounds much. So unlike the "vs." threads in BG, the tier list in BG would not include the part below from the BG rules.

"Character statements: can be used as evidence when the character is showed to be reliable but even reliable character statements will take a back seat to feats"

So in "vs." fights statements are not as good as feats for a debate, but are exluded in total for this particular list.

Or is it that statements on a feat specifically CAN determine the power of a feat vs another feat, if we have seen the feat, AND the source is reputable. But a statement WILL NOT grant the existence of a feat.

I figured a statement by two characters giving history (possession - objective) would count, but one of opinion, like greatest hokage ever (subjective) would not.

Anyway, doesn't really matter. Thanks.
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Old 02-11-2014, 01:43 AM   #2704
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I really suggest Sakura Haruno to be in Jounin Tier or at least Chunin. Oh and by the way, I am a Sakura fan. But right now, I'm not speaking as her fan, but as someone logical because we all know that Sakura is AT LEAST Chunin level. Not just because of her strong punches and medical ninjutsu, her intellect is the second highest of the "rookie nine". After Shikamaru and maybe Shino,I think he is as intelligent as Sakura but I don't really think so... And Sasuke doesn't count really count...

And of course, those of you who have read the recent Naruto manga chapters, Sakura qualifies as a Jounin level. For her AMAZING chakra control I mean she showed so much power! And I have to say... She almost rivals Tsunade's medical ninjutsu prowess but not Tsunade's combat abilities.
For one, Tsunade has more experience in the battlefield and more knowledge and reflexes honed from a Ninja World War.

So yeah. That's the reason why Sakura qualifies as a Jounin. Maybe not her battle skills, but her medical ninjutsu and chakra control? Definitely.
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Err but sakura is in kage tier already unless you want to move her down
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Old 02-11-2014, 05:05 AM   #2706
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I think hes confusing PTS Sakura for current Sakura.

Yuki-chan, PTS Sakura is Sakura in Naruto. The Sakura in the Kage Tier is the current Sakura in Naruto Shippuden.

I dont think she should be in Kage tier TBH. Nothing about her is Kage level imo and alot of the people below her could defeat her.
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She is basically tsunade pre-byakugou which why shes in kage tier
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Old 02-26-2014, 08:09 PM   #2708
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Make sure u guys carefully look at next weeks chapter!!!!. Gai Sensei is going in!!!!!!! what i have been trying to preach here on this forum for years will be revealed next week.

I better see Gai in the God-Like Tier after this!!/ no more . no more underestimating the truth baby!!!!!
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So I guess you can add Guy and Rikudo Madara to the God Tier
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Gai is not god tier. His best move is a suicide move. Even then you see his group getting good reactions in even when he was in the 8th gate. His own apprentice Lee out reacted him and Madara for a moment with the kunai. Lol people need to actually understand the plot of the fight. He just so happens to be the most lethal weapon because he uses taijutsu based attacks.
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Gai is not god tier. His best move is a suicide move. Even then you see his group getting good reactions in even when he was in the 8th gate. His own apprentice Lee out reacted him and Madara for a moment with the kunai. Lol people need to actually understand the plot of the fight. He just so happens to be the most lethal weapon because he uses taijutsu based attacks.
He still made someone with power comparable to the so6p bleed.
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Gai is not god tier. His best move is a suicide move. Even then you see his group getting good reactions in even when he was in the 8th gate. His own apprentice Lee out reacted him and Madara for a moment with the kunai. Lol people need to actually understand the plot of the fight. He just so happens to be the most lethal weapon because he uses taijutsu based attacks.
Hmm...so then Lee should be god tier ?
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He still made someone with power comparable to the so6p bleed.
Yeah a person who current vulnerability is taijutsu. While having to use a suicide move that nobody learns because it is a suicide move. Overall his power still doesn't register against someone like Harishima or normal Madara. He is completely plot strong.
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Hmm...so then Lee should be god tier ?
Gaara was moving his sand at Gai speeds. While moving kakashi. Who by the way eho was used kamui at those speeds. Those characters are legend tier and using their natural strength. Meaning if their best reactions are in Gai 8th gate territory that means they are faster than his normal styles.
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Gai is god tier, DL is prob the only one in the BGs who deluded himself into believing that 8 Gates isn't the strongest technique we've seen from a character that isn't named Madara or Hashirama.

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Yeah I've heard you push this point before and didn't bother addressing it. The reason he's "vulnerable" to taijutsu is because it is pure physical damage. The only chakra it involves is transformed into the users strength. You say it like taijutsu just happens to be his kryptonite and it's just some random plot device, taijutsu works for a reason, and the only way it works is if it's an extremely high level technique, meaning no one else can use it.

A and Tsunade both use high level taijutsu but their attacks wouldn't even tickle Madara with the state he's in right now. Gai is the only one with a high enough level taijutsu technique to be a threat. And people don't learn the technique because it is forbidden and puts a huge strain on normal bodies, just like kage bunshin. Gates 1-7 aren't suicide moves and they are all extremely powerful.


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Gaara was moving his sand at Gai speeds. While moving kakashi. Who by the way eho was used kamui at those speeds. Those characters are legend tier and using their natural strength. Meaning if their best reactions are in Gai 8th gate territory that means they are faster than his normal styles.
No it wasn't even close to Gai's top speeds. Gai blitzed Rikudo Madara when he used his technique, Gaara said that his sand was slower than Madara's black orb technique. Basic logic...

Gai faster than Madara's orbs...Madara's orbs faster than Gaara's sand
Gai > Gaara's Sand

8 Gates Gai would roflstomp pretty much every S Class character we've seen so far. His feats are some of the best in the manga.
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Gai is god tier, DL is prob the only one in the BGs who deluded himself into believing that 8 Gates isn't the strongest technique we've seen from a character that isn't named Madara or Hashirama.
Lol no its not. Not even close. He still gets one shot by Pain, Naruto, and Bee just to name a few. He is not anywhere close to god tier. God tier is for characters who have abilities that can wage war against the entire verse. 3rd Raikage sits back and let him fan him with his wind.


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Yeah I've heard you push this point before and didn't bother addressing it. The reason he's "vulnerable" to taijutsu is because it is pure physical damage. The only chakra it involves is transformed into the users strength. You say it like taijutsu just happens to be his kryptonite and it's just some random plot device, taijutsu works for a reason, and the only way it works is if it's an extremely high level technique, meaning no one else can use it.
Lol it is a random plot device. Madara can't tank attacks he could tank with his normal abilities. Lol plot is exactly what it is. He no sells ninjutsu like jinton but is vunerable to a blast of air. As for nobody knowing how to perform the 8th gates. I shouldn't have to explain why nobody wants to commit suicide with their opponent.

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A and Tsunade both use high level taijutsu but their attacks wouldn't even tickle Madara with the state he's in right now. Gai is the only one with a high enough level taijutsu technique to be a threat. And people don't learn the technique because it is forbidden and puts a huge strain on normal bodies, just like kage bunshin. Gates 1-7 aren't suicide moves and they are all extremely powerful.
You statements about A and Tsunade are completely based off nothing. Tsunade shattered Madara Susanoo
Gai could only knock it back not even making a scratch with his afternoon tiger. If you don't know Susanoo durability>>>>>>>> greater than Madara current threshold durability against taijutsu. A does what Gai afternoon tiger does naturally with his fist. Plus A and Tsunade defensive abilities are way greater than the 8th gate. So they are naturally more powerful than Gai in the 7 th gate and can endure the 8th gate. Like I said characters like Naruto in bijuu mode or 3rd Raikage completely no sells his evening elephant attacks.



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No it wasn't even close to Gai's top speeds. Gai blitzed Rikudo Madara when he used his technique, Gaara said that his sand was slower than Madara's black orb technique. Basic logic...

Gai faster than Madara's orbs...Madara's orbs faster than Gaara's sand
Gai > Gaara's Sand

8 Gates Gai would roflstomp pretty much every S Class character we've seen so far. His feats are some of the best in the manga.
Gaara said his sand was slower he did say that. But oh wait we can see Gaara matching Gai speed with his sand
transporting Kakashi. Ch 669 pg 17.

Also lol Gai was saved against Madara black orbs fail. He is not faster. Lee out reacted both Gai and Madara with his Kunai throw. Minato teleported in and took the attack with his body. He would have been dead.

You know what that proves. Gai supporting team has better stats than him normally. They were able to operate on Madara and 8th gate Gai battlefield without the usage of a temporary doping move like the 8th gate. That is more impressive you know having that type of speed and not having to die in order to achieve it. Meaning they rape long before he reaches the 8th gate. Pain moves his hand. Trying debating higher legend tier characters instead of jumping straight to god tier
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Yeah a person who current vulnerability is taijutsu. While having to use a suicide move that nobody learns because it is a suicide move. Overall his power still doesn't register against someone like Harishima or normal Madara. He is completely plot strong.
The fact that Madara is vulnerable to taijutsu doesn't diminish his overall durability. If Gai were weak, he wouldn't be capable of even hurting Maddy even if Maddy was vulnerable only to taijutsu. The fact he harmed Madara is a testament to his strength. It doesn't matter if it is a suicide move, his current strength during his suicide move is still comparable to someone on the level of So6p. He blitzed SO6P-maddy, and Madara couldn't even react to Gai's barrage of attacks.
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Lol no its not. Not even close. He still gets one shot by Pain, Naruto, and Bee just to name a few. He is not anywhere close to god tier. God tier is for characters who have abilities that can wage war against the entire verse. 3rd Raikage sits back and let him fan him with his wind.

God tier can also be reserved for characters with abilities to solo the strongest characters in a verse. Are you trying to tell me that power is determined simply by how many people you can take on. Power is determined by the result. Who cares if you are strong enough to siege the castle when someone else can just assassinate the king. Different abilities, same result.

If Deidara and A were both sent in to storm the feudal lord's mansion, Deidara could easily kill everyone on the protection detail. Doesn't make him any stronger than A who could just run past them all and snap the lord's neck.



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Lol it is a random plot device. Madara can't tank attacks he could tank with his normal abilities. Lol plot is exactly what it is. He no sells ninjutsu like jinton but is vunerable to a blast of air. As for nobody knowing how to perform the 8th gates. I shouldn't have to explain why nobody wants to commit suicide with their opponent.

It's not a random plot device at all. Ninjutsu has chakra, he can absorb chakra, ergo ninjutsu doesn't work. Gai's technique has SPECIFICALLY been used to counter thant SAME mechanic. The blast of air is perfect for fighting against people who can absorb ninjutsu.

Gates 1-7 aren't suicidal, just really hard to use and take peak physical prowess, not to mention, I'll say it again, forbidden. Most people don't know them because forbidden techniques aren't just out there for people to access at will.


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You statements about A and Tsunade are completely based off nothing. Tsunade shattered Madara Susanoo
Gai could only knock it back not even making a scratch with his afternoon tiger. If you don't know Susanoo durability>>>>>>>> greater than Madara current threshold durability against taijutsu. A does what Gai afternoon tiger does naturally with his fist. Plus A and Tsunade defensive abilities are way greater than the 8th gate. So they are naturally more powerful than Gai in the 7 th gate and can endure the 8th gate. Like I said characters like Naruto in bijuu mode or 3rd Raikage completely no sells his evening elephant attacks.
Tsunade broke partial Susano'o ribcage, Gai sent full Susano'o into another area code using a different form of his Afternoon Tiger where the air grabbed onto Susano'o and hurled it instead of focusing into a single point like he did against Kisame. Which is even greater than A's previous striking feat against Susano'o where he was at max power and had his weight changed by Onoki.

I can see you didn't read my past explanation about current Madara's durability when we had this exact argument before so let me remind you.

Current Madara has access to the chakra of all the bijuu. His durability and physical strength are unprecedented. In his current form he took the entire force of Hirudora and was able to dissipate it while only being knocked back a few feet. That's the same Hirudora that sent his Susano'o flying off into the distance and had a shockwave that Bee, Naruto, and the others could feel miles away from it's impact.

NOW suddenly when the Eight Gates are activated this same guy who was barely moved by a point blank Hirudora gets knocked a couple fossil layers into the dirt. There is something really important people have yet to realize about Gai's feat with Night Elephant.

If it takes all my strength to lift a 100 pound medicine ball above my head, then I get a power boost that lets me throw it so hard I lodge it into the roof. From the outside someone may see that and go "damn he's strong, he just lodged that basketball into the gym roof," but what they don't know is it isn't a basketball, it's that same 100 pound rock from before. That feet is a dozen times more impressive when that is taken into consideration.


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Gaara said his sand was slower he did say that. But oh wait we can see Gaara matching Gai speed with his sand
transporting Kakashi. Ch 669 pg 17.

Also lol Gai was saved against Madara black orbs fail. He is not faster. Lee out reacted both Gai and Madara with his Kunai throw. Minato teleported in and took the attack with his body. He would have been dead.

You know what that proves. Gai supporting team has better stats than him normally. They were able to operate on Madara and 8th gate Gai battlefield without the usage of a temporary doping move like the 8th gate. That is more impressive you know having that type of speed and not having to die in order to achieve it. Meaning they rape long before he reaches the 8th gate. Pain moves his hand. Trying debating higher legend tier characters instead of jumping straight to god tier
Hasn't this train of thought when it comes to speed been derailed on the BGs for years now. How long has it been since I've seen this argument? The Kage Summit?

Yes, let's follow your logic. It's much more reasonable to believe that Gaara and Kakashi are as fast as Gai, than to believe that Gai slowed his movements to perform a combo attack. Oh wait, didn't everyone and their mom have this argument back when Darui and A went to blitz Sasuke after Shee's genjutsu. I'm pretty sure the verdict has been THOROUGHLY documented. People slow their movement's down when working with partners. Darui isn't as fast as A even though they arrived to attack Sasuke at the same time.

BUT that isn't even the case here. The way you misinterpreted that sequence completely baffles me. Gai was literally running circles around Rikudo Madara in preparation for his technique. Then he'd already started Night Elephant and begun his strikes when Kakashi, Lee, Minato, and Gaara moved in to support. Lee had to activate the sixth gate just so he could react in time to throw the kunai at the right moment. Gaara was given time to prep his sand and move Kakashi into position. And Minato's reaction to teleport at the right moment to catch the orbs and get out comes as no surprise considering he's been heralded as having the fastest reaction time in the verse.

What the support team did is the equivalent of reaching your hand into a river as fast as you can to grab a small fish, or an even better comparison, quickly sticking a pen between the blades of a high speed fan so you can push something out of the vent. It takes agility, timing, and skill but by NO MEANS does it imply you are moving even as close to as fast as the river or the fan.

Like I said you are in the small minority of people in the BGs (or probably the general fan base) who doesn't recognize how strong Gai is at this point.
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The fact that Madara is vulnerable to taijutsu doesn't diminish his overall durability. If Gai were weak, he wouldn't be capable of even hurting Maddy even if Maddy was vulnerable only to taijutsu. The fact he harmed Madara is a testament to his strength. It doesn't matter if it is a suicide move, his current strength during his suicide move is still comparable to someone on the level of So6p. He blitzed SO6P-maddy, and Madara couldn't even react to Gai's barrage of attacks.
Yeah no the overall power of Madara current form is more potent than juubito who was no selling bijuudamas. That is what level Madara defense really is. So if you are saying Gai blows are as powerful as bijuudama pics or it didn't happen.
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What part of "makes him bleed" do you not understand?
What part of "blitzed" do you not understand?
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