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Old 02-22-2013, 06:32 AM   #2581
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(IMO) The fact that Konohamaru is above PTS Lee, Neji, Naruto and Shikamaru is quite ridiculous. Am I wrong in saying Konohamaru (based on abilities) is just PTS Naruto with no massive Chakra reserve, not Kyuubi cloak and no multi shadow clone and he has the burning ash Jutsu?

If that's the case couldn't Pts Lee, Neji and Shikamaru all beat him not to mention Naruto?
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The only thing we know about Post Skip Konohamaru is that he can make a shadow clone that can distract Naraka Path with timing, has a mini rasengan, and competes with Naruto how much sexier his jutsu is.
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(IMO) The fact that Konohamaru is above PTS Lee, Neji, Naruto and Shikamaru is quite ridiculous. Am I wrong in saying Konohamaru (based on abilities) is just PTS Naruto with no massive Chakra reserve, not Kyuubi cloak and no multi shadow clone and he has the burning ash Jutsu?

If that's the case couldn't Pts Lee, Neji and Shikamaru all beat him not to mention Naruto?
dude the list isnt absolute, and i lose sight of some things too when rearranging things too.

your absolutely right

Moved kono down and ino (cmon nobody honestly thinks she could defeat people like pts naruto/lee/neji one on one?

Moved pts lee and naruto up (with gamabunta in mind)

also everyone mind also telling where exactly you would put the charatcers you have a problem with that way you have more influence other wise i have to think of where to place them everytime

@Zig zag kono is pts naruto without gama and w/firestyle
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@BMc-overall the sharigan is better but it's not better in every sense. Also don't forget about ,y changes

Anyway lets start from bottom to top

First is PTS lee gated? If so he should be at least above neji maybe even PTS naruto

Also sakon/ukon should be right under inochi yamanka. Cuz with one touch they can invaded the enemies body

Also hozuki bros would drown hidan
And Chico is the better puppet master

Kisame drowns tsaunde

Sm kabuto puts everyone in genjutsu so he should go under killer B

Koto does not work on jinjuriki and killer B beats 3RK cuz 3RK almost lost to 8 tails and jinjuriki are stronger than bijju
^this

and Kono does not have fire style. That was in the anime only

No I am not saying Sasori si slower than Sakura of course not. But Sakura did not move significantly by herself to dodge any of Sasori's attacks.

If Hinata was not moving fast "cuz thats how it was drew" then I guess chp 195 pg 12 Neji is not moving fast...that is just how he is drawn???

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Okay, why don't we make a nice new thread with a nice new battle going on? This is grotesque.
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Old 02-22-2013, 01:32 PM   #2586
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I did with some. It kinda worked but its more than just who beats who it's who can do most destructive damage.

Oh and may as well add PTS Kakashi to the list and PTS Kabuto/Kabuto

I just realized where are the kage bodyguards

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Temari and kankuro are in the list, so is darui, the others really havent shown anything so if we would place them it would be kind of low. Most of them havent shown more then one jutsu anyway.(yes i know karin is on the list, but that was from the guy who did this before me)

could put kurotsuchi somewhere maybe.
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Shouldn't all the jinchuriki be in the legend tier?
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Shouldn't all the jinchuriki be in the legend tier?
We put them as they would be when the were alive, not all jinchuriki had control of their bijuu. Infact the only ones are naruto, bee, yagura(stated multiple times in manga) and pts gaara to an lesser extent and yugito
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@BMc-overall the sharigan is better but it's not better in every sense. Also don't forget about ,y changes



First is PTS lee gated? If so he should be at least above neji maybe even PTS naruto


Also sakon/ukon should be right under inochi yamanka. Cuz with one touch they can invaded the enemies body

Also hozuki bros would drown hidan. As soon as Hidan tries to swipe at them they would disperse and drown Hidan

And Chiyo is the better puppet master. She has way more EXPERIENCE and feats so how does she lose to Kankuro

Kisame drowns tsaunde

Sm kabuto puts everyone in genjutsu so he should go under killer B

Koto does not work on jinjuriki and killer B beats 3RK cuz 3RK almost lost to 8 tails and jinjuriki are stronger than bijju
I still do not see how moving in a blur fashion is not a speed feat...expecially when Neji did the same thing to dodge fast attacks. If you could explain that better BMC that would be coolz

I would put lava gurl (you know Onoki's granddaughter) high chunnin teir above pakura. Her lava and water would outmatch scorch

Kotetsu Hagane & Izumo Kamizuki NEED TO BE SEPARATED


And Sakon/Ukon is the strongest by hype and feats so he should be above Jirobo yet under PTS Choji

Where did Tayuya go on the list? She should be above the fodder swordsmans and right under Choza

Kidomaru (spider dude ) is not that strong. He was just good at hiding in a forest. In a 1v1 in an open field he is useless. He should be in chunnin tier under obito

Why is Hiruzen so high? He should be just above TObirama.

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Prince , if everyone including hinata improved in every aspect (so also speed) in the timeskip then why is hinata not shown moving in this 'blur' during her timeskip fights?(and the same goes for neji).

And why are the currently fastest characters in the verse(minato, naruto, tobi,A) unable to move in a blur? Characters with superior speed and teleportation.

Simply because the blur is simply an art style, not an indication of speed.

Hiruzen is so high for pushing the kyuubi out of konoha with his pole.

Tayuya is currently under shika for obvious reasons.

Kidomaru still has his gold armor/what ever it is. And that huge arrow. He way stronger then obito in any case.

The only fight we have of them is in a pair , ill seperate them later.
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Prince , if everyone including hinata improved in every aspect (so also speed) in the timeskip then why is hinata not shown moving in this 'blur' during her timeskip fights?(and the same goes for neji).
becasue she was never in close combat since then. She did move fast with Neji when she fought with Neji to defeat the Zetsu army

And why are the currently fastest characters in the verse(minato, naruto, tobi,A) unable to move in a blur? Characters with superior speed and teleportation.
they move faster than a blur. They just get there. Its more teleportation like speed than actually moving. A blur is just a type of speed. Sakura has no evidence of any kind of speed

Simply because the blur is simply an art style, not an indication of speed.
So Neji dodgint Kidomaru's attacks is no speed feat at all? If anything it is a reaction feat just like Hinata.

Hiruzen is so high for pushing the kyuubi out of konoha with his pole.
...i guess but he could never do as much damage as a flying Dediara with C0 or C4


Tayuya is currently under shika for obvious reasons.


Kidomaru still has his gold armor/what ever it is. And that huge arrow. He way stronger then obito in any case.


The only fight we have of them is in a pair , ill seperate them later.
Are we going to add PTS Kakashi or PTS/(base) Kabuto or PTS Guy or Ebiki (the 1st guy of chunnin exams) or Anko or base Naruto or Hebi Saskue

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Since prep can only be used for planning and defensive measures.....should Konan still be in such a high teir?
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Since prep can only be used for planning and defensive measures.....should Konan still be in such a high teir?
Kabuto with all his Edo Tensei is like the ultimate prep and defensive measure yet he's included so i don't see why not.

Konans paper ocean is literally the longest technique in the manga it outlasted even Kamui which has never been done before, so she deserves to be so damn high. Her fighting prowess isnt on that level but that one technique is almost god tier.
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Yeah so do we need to change the rules of prep?
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Kabuto with all his Edo Tensei is like the ultimate prep and defensive measure yet he's included so i don't see why not.

Konans paper ocean is literally the longest technique in the manga it outlasted even Kamui which has never been done before, so she deserves to be so damn high. Her fighting prowess isnt on that level but that one technique is almost god tier.
Edo Tensei prep is hardly defensive (in the prep time) as it only allows the users to gather the Dna for the one he is about to re - animate.

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Yeah so do we need to change the rules of prep?
No,Naruto cant fling a rasenshuriken at someone during prep, itachi cant put someone in tsukiyomi during prep, and jiraiya cant activate frog during prep as those are all offensive actions.

While konans bombs arent offensive or defensive during prep as she isnt activating them.(atleast not during the prep).
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Kurama on up in the legend tier is god tier. Each character above him can face a god tier. Whether they can win is a different debate.
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No,Naruto cant fling a rasenshuriken at someone during prep, itachi cant put someone in tsukiyomi during prep, and jiraiya cant activate frog during prep as those are all offensive actions.

While konans bombs arent offensive or defensive during prep as she isnt activating them.(atleast not during the prep).
I never thought of prep as of what was in bold

But going into SM is not offensive or defensive
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But using frog song is.
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is prepping frog song?
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