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Old 12-30-2010, 05:03 PM   #201
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Kirin is real lightning. Zetsu and Sasuke made that a point before Sasuke used it.

Itachi had plenty of time to set up Susanoo while Sasuke was ranting about how unavoidable it was.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:06 PM   #202
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Kirin is real lightning. Zetsu and Sasuke made that a point before Sasuke used it.

Itachi had plenty of time to set up Susanoo while Sasuke was ranting about how unavoidable it was.
It's not as fast then it took like two frames to get to the ground, but I stand corrected...but I'm sitting......
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:08 PM   #203
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It took a frame to form into that dragon tiger monster thing.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:12 PM   #204
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So just because it's his strongest weapon mean he can't sink? And there is no proof that it will stop Itachi from sinking since it's only been shown to defend him from the front.

Jiraiya has seen Ammy before and made a scroll to seal it, he could do the same thing here, if he even gets hit since he has time to prepare for it.

Do you have a speed calc claiming Kirin is fast as a normal bolt?
Itachi can keep up with Jiraiya though regardless.


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The Kirin blast also destroyed the entire Uchiha hideout. It destroyed the mountain they were standing on. Susanoo tanked it all, front, back, side.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:15 PM   #205
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Could just be lazy and quote the databook.



The Kirin blast also destroyed the entire Uchiha hideout. It destroyed the mountain they were standing on. Susanoo tanked it all, front, back, side.
It didn't destroy the mountain it destroyed the hideout, but it left ruins, and front, back, side, not underneath.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:15 PM   #206
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It took a frame to form into that dragon tiger monster thing.
Yes but was talking about it striking.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:20 PM   #207
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It didn't destroy the mountain it destroyed the hideout, but it left ruins, and front, back, side, not underneath.
391, Page 9-10. Mountain was leveled.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:20 PM   #208
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Oh well it did take a frame to strike, the other panels were Sasuke directing the lightning with his hand and Itachi with an open eye.

And I'm pretty sure it was Susanoo ribs that took Kirin, and then they were destroyed, explaining why Itachi had to reform it.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:24 PM   #209
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Oh well it did take a frame to strike, the other panels were Sasuke directing the lightning with his hand and Itachi with an open eye.

And I'm pretty sure it was Susanoo ribs that took Kirin, and then they were destroyed, explaining why Itachi had to reform it.
Nah, the skull version was fine but yet, skull Susanoo took Kirin. Itachi formed the cloak after, but had to open the jar when Orochimaru appeared. Then Susanoo took true form.

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Old 12-30-2010, 05:33 PM   #210
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391, Page 9-10. Mountain was leveled.
That's a hill, not really a mountain, that's why it's considered a "Hill Buster" even though it didn't completely destroy the hill. Still doesn't mean he can't sink, tanking a thunderbolt and not drowning are two very different things.
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Old 12-30-2010, 05:39 PM   #211
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In the anime she punches him loads more times.
I've chosen to disregard anything else in your post because this is far and away the closest thing to a rational argument contained therein.

The anime isn't canon.

The rest of your post is the same old garbage with you exaggerating Tsuande's feats and making things up whole-cloth to give her abilities she doesn't have.

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Due to usefulness and versatility(Definitely not speed), I'll put her at the bottom of Kage Tier.
A position she blatantly doesn't belong in by any stretch of actual logic, and totally ignoring the half-dozen people below her on the list that could utterly rape her.

If you're going to allow Lady Tsunade's endless wank to infect this list's accuracy why bother making it at all?

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Old 12-30-2010, 06:36 PM   #212
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It's all about Katsuyu and durability, and that's the only means of me agreeing with her at all.
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Katsuyu and what little durability feats she possesses would enable her to last longer than .04 seconds, but they most certainly wouldn't win her the fights. Particularly not against Temari, who should really be higher on the list.

I am eternally mystified by the insistence that killing Katsuyu is the only possible way to beat Tsunade.
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Yeah but we all know putting Temari up against Tsunade is just a horrible mismatch, and only comes down to starting distance and summonings.

Temari would be destroyed by anyone else above her.
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Temari did managed to destroy a large portion of the forest. It's unlikely that Tsunade has the speed necessary to dodge it. Moreso, even with Katsuyu summoned, I doubt Katsuyu has the durabiliy to survive Temari's strongest attack.
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Yeah but we all know putting Temari up against Tsunade is just a horrible mismatch, and only comes down to starting distance and summonings.
If the only way for Tsunade to beat Temari is to give Tsunade an advantage, as opposed to an even playing field, then she shouldn't be above Temari by any reach of the imagination.

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Very interesting.
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You mean except for Tsunade.
In theory. I'm not convinced the move would take her out, since Tayuya survived it. /Death by tree.
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Not in theory. In fact. Tayuya survived either due to plot or because she wasn't the target. If you think that Tsunade has the durability to survive Kamatari's assault, you'll need something to support it. And no, surviving being stabbed by the kusanagi is not proof.
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Tsunade didn't tanked the Sword of Kusanagi in the first place. Tanking and surviving are 2 completely different things. Tanking an attack is taking the attack head on and receiving little to no injuries. Surviving an attack is just living through it.
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