Temari vs. Tsunade

[NBT]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Naruto chapter 214, page 19

The Summoning and Forest Leveling attack doesn't even kill Tayuya. A tree falls on her and kills her, Tayuya tanked the attack, and she had Kunai-Level durability as Shikamaru was able to threaten her life with just a simple blade.

As far as I remember,the tree was already on her when she was shown after the attacks so I don't know.Even if she did tank it,that doesn't mean sucknade can.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Naruto chapter 214, page 19

The Summoning and Forest Leveling attack doesn't even kill Tayuya. A tree falls on her and kills her, Tayuya tanked the attack, and she had Kunai-Level durability as Shikamaru was able to threaten her life with just a simple blade.

In the same way the fall doesn't kill someone, but the sudden deacceleration does?

Also kunai-duribility is... pretty false. If that were true then shadow strangle would've been a neck-snap. As I've said in previous debates, its a lot easier to tank blunt force than a cut. Stabbing someone in naruto will still kill most people as easily as if you stabbed an actual person.

Unless you can show me a scene in which a perfectly good kunai breaks, bends, shatters, or is otherwise rendered unusuable upon contact with another body.

[Midnight789]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

In red. Also don't bring in "sannin" ranking. Naruto is a genin and yadda yadda you've heard it before.

That is way different, the reason why Naruto is still a genin is because he was with Jiriaya for 3 years. Tsunade was given that name by Hanzo. probably one of the most powerful characters in the show. she is compared to Jiriaya and orochimario!

[TheBlackChidori]

Originally Posted by Frost ninja

In the same way the fall doesn't kill someone, but the sudden deacceleration does?

Also kunai-duribility is... pretty false. If that were true then shadow strangle would've been a neck-snap. As I've said in previous debates, its a lot easier to tank blunt force than a cut. Stabbing someone in naruto will still kill most people as easily as if you stabbed an actual person.

Unless you can show me a scene in which a perfectly good kunai breaks, bends, shatters, or is otherwise rendered unusuable upon contact with another body.

The way the little B-Rank summoning works is, The Weasel slices down everything it touches in a wide radius. It has to touch her. For one, the setting isn't in a forest. Secondly, Tsunade can punch the weasel into dust.

Shadow Resistance is all about chakra control, not durability. She was in CS2 and was trying desperately to stop Shikamaru from stabbing her with said Kunai.

As for your Kunai defense, it is about a 4-inch blade mainly used as a projecticle. The Kusanagi is a 2-3 foot sword capable of harming Enma in Adamantine Form, which she took several times deep into her body. She also tanked multiple chakra scalpels which literally rips her insides to pieces and disrupts chakra flow.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

The way the little B-Rank summoning works is, The Weasel slices down everything it touches in a wide radius. It has to touch her. For one, the setting isn't in a forest. Secondly, Tsunade can punch the weasel into dust.

Weasel hitting isn't too much of a scare but I don't see how Tsunade will avoid it with the wind-hits coming from Temari basically stopping her at almost every step...

Shadow Resistance is all about chakra control, not durability. She was in CS2 and was trying desperately to stop Shikamaru from stabbing her with said Kunai.

True but iirc he locked in the strangle. This means if she had really low duribility, it likely would've broken a bone somewhere in her neck. Above this, if it were kunai duribility then how would she be able to tank the Weasel hits?

As for your Kunai defense, it is about a 4-inch blade mainly used as a projecticle. The Kusanagi is a 2-3 foot sword capable of harming Enma in Adamantine Form, which she took several times deep into her body. She also tanked multiple chakra scalpels which literally rips her insides to pieces and disrupts chakra flow.

Now compare Tsunade and tay. Tay cannot heal and likewise didn't have to worry about the scalpel. Tsunade can heal off sword strikes (as far as hurting emna, that'd be great if we were talking her not getting hit. I'm not saying she goes unharmed, just that its not too much different from a regular sword hit) and MR the scalpel. Also the chakra flow... She pretty much knows that jutsu in and out as is seen when she quickly overcomes the effects. The ripping of the insides... I'll need to see that, because iirc it simply cuts off chakra flow as when kabuto hit naruto he said he cut off chakra flow to his heart.

If you stab tay, who cannot heal, it'll kill her like if you stab a normal person who cannot heal. If ninjas were able to shrug off projectiles like your saying (or I think your saying), then they'd have no reason to have tenten, nor would they ever bother to dodge projectiles.

Regardless of any of her tanking of big hits, I'd like to see her tank shredding wind from all directions constantly coming at her... ://

In red I guess

[NBT]

Since when does it have to touch anything?

[TheBlackChidori]

Weasel hitting isn't too much of a scare but I don't see how Tsunade will avoid it with the wind-hits coming from Temari basically stopping her at almost every step...

Those hits that barely cut Tenten up you mean? 3 moons, by the way. Yeahhhh that's really gonna stop Tsunade.

True but iirc he locked in the strangle. This means if she had really low duribility, it likely would've broken a bone somewhere in her neck. Above this, if it were kunai duribility then how would she be able to tank the Weasel hits?

Cause the weasel isn't as strong as you make it seem, my point exactly. Just like when Hidan was able to resist the Shadow Strangle, it has to do with how much chakra Shikamaru has as well as the opponent.

Now compare Tsunade and tay. Tay cannot heal and likewise didn't have to worry about the scalpel. Tsunade can heal off sword strikes (as far as hurting emna, that'd be great if we were talking her not getting hit. I'm not saying she goes unharmed, just that its not too much different from a regular sword hit) and MR the scalpel. Also the chakra flow... She pretty much knows that jutsu in and out as is seen when she quickly overcomes the effects. The ripping of the insides... I'll need to see that, because iirc it simply cuts off chakra flow as when kabuto hit naruto he said he cut off chakra flow to his heart.

If you stab tay, who cannot heal, it'll kill her like if you stab a normal person who cannot heal. If ninjas were able to shrug off projectiles like your saying (or I think your saying), then they'd have no reason to have tenten, nor would they ever bother to dodge projectiles.

Regardless of any of her tanking of big hits, I'd like to see her tank shredding wind from all directions constantly coming at her... ://

Dude what? Kabuto admitted that he used Chakra Scalpels for surgery and incisions...? And also, he said he severed the arteries around Naruto's heart. Chapter 290, Kabuto cuts through wood and flesh both with his scalpel.

And its NOT shredding wind... It barely cut through the Samurai's armor on the Kage summit. It cut Tenten while she was trapped in a whirlwind of it. Like you said, her only weapon is Weasel and Tsunade can easily just knock the hell out of the weasel when it gets close.

You're also assuming that this is an enclosed battlefield, which the OP didn't state. Tsunade isn't dumb, she's not going to charge into the wind. And for that matter, the wind isn't 360 degrees.

Originally Posted by NBT

Since when does it have to touch anything?

Go wikia the move or re-read the manga, then come back.

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Those hits that barely cut Tenten up you mean? 3 moons, by the way. Yeahhhh that's really gonna stop Tsunade.

Minor windscythe from pre-invasion =/= rescue arc


Cause the weasel isn't as strong as you make it seem, my point exactly. Just like when Hidan was able to resist the Shadow Strangle, it has to do with how much chakra Shikamaru has as well as the opponent.

I don't think its chakra since he commented on how she was trying to break through "using brute force alone". Its also physical resistance, as the shadow has to keep a hold of the person. As for hidan's resistance, he is immortal... Doesn't that mean it wouldn't have much bothered him?

Imo better feat is when Shikamaru pulled Hidan from his circle during the fight with asuma, and Hidan struggled to stay in but failed.

Dude what? Kabuto admitted that he used Chakra Scalpels for surgery and incisions...? And also, he said he severed the arteries around Naruto's heart. Chapter 290, Kabuto cuts through wood and flesh both with his scalpel.

Point taken, reread and retracting my previous statement.

And its NOT shredding wind... It barely cut through the Samurai's armor on the Kage summit. It cut Tenten while she was trapped in a whirlwind of it. Like you said, her only weapon is Weasel and Tsunade can easily just knock the hell out of the weasel when it gets close.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't aiming to kill, so I'd suppose it only shows even more control over her wind. Also on the tenten part, first point stated above. I never said the weasel was her only attack, just likely her biggest hitter. With no prev knowledge, I'm not 100% sure Tsu will know to even hurt the little thing let alone focus on it with temari wind blasts shooting at her.

You're also assuming that this is an enclosed battlefield, which the OP didn't state. Tsunade isn't dumb, she's not going to charge into the wind. And for that matter, the wind isn't 360 degrees.

I though the hyperbolic time chamber was enclosed. Tsunade isn't dumb but she has no prev. knowledge and thus wouldn't know the wind was razor sharp or the weapon. And the issue on 360 degrees is irrelevant, especially if Temari catches air and all.

In red. Also I read the wikia. It says it slashes through everything it touches, BUT the effects go out for hundreds of meters around. This means it doesn't have to touch tsu to take effect so long as its within a few hundred meters. And the power to whip up trees and the like means it isn't a soft hit either.

EDIT: I read the link but we can't post this website on here, not Viz-owned, blahblah I know it sucks

[TheBlackChidori]

Shadow argument is useless since this is between Temari and Tsunade so let's stop that one.

Tsunade Speed Feats....

1. Kept up with Orochimaru, even out-paced him.

2. Landed a surprise attack on Manda. And by surprise, I mean she jumped 100 feet into the air and drove a giant sword into his head without him noticing.

3. Survived a man who mastered Body Flicker.

Temari Speed Feats.

1. ....

2. ....

3. ....

It's a few gusts of wind. Not to mention, visible wind. No knowledge doesn't mean much. Do you think Tsunade's gonna be like "Hmm, I see large spirals of air coming towards me. I wonder what they do? I guess I'll let it hit me and find out."

Temari catching air would just make it easier for Tsunade to jump up and punch the head off her shoulders, since she has to ride on her fan leaving her completely defenseless.

[Frost ninja]

<I'll post in a bit, instead of making a new post I'll just edit this one so I'm not post farming. Have a bit of stuff to get done so I'll try to keep this going later.>

[Nyruss]

Summoning: Quick Beheading Dance. The only possible way Tsunade could ever win this fight is if it started with Tsunade in the middle of a haymaker two yoctometers away from hitting Temari.

1. Kept up with Orochimaru, even out-paced him.

Keeping up with a guy that's half dead and holding back is hardly the greatest feat ever conceived.

[TheBlackChidori]

Don't move this to the graveyard because you feel you're right when its the middle of a debate. Make a point that proves me wrong followed by 6 people saying "lol yeah this is a stomp".

Yes, he was definitely holding back. He summoned Manda because he was holding back, the giant snake that Kabuto expected to eat their heads.

[Nyruss]

Don't move this to the graveyard because you feel you're right when its the middle of a debate.

It wasn't the middle, it was the end. It ended the moment someone said Quick Beheading Dance. It ended before that. The first post of the first page. Tsunade has nothing to even remotely suggest she could ever do anything about Kamatari. You know it, I know it, hell, even Lady Tsunade knows it and she's got a long long record of arguing in Tsunade's favor even when Tsunade is plainly outmatched.

And yes, Orochimaru was holding back. He even admitted as such. There were numerous times throughout the fight that Orochimaru could have killed her but chose not to, compared to the what? One time she landed a hit on him? The only other time she ever did anything close to reacting to him was when he attacked Naruto. He was like a few hundred meters away and she was sitting right next to Naruto. Clearly she makes Barry Allen look slow.


EDIT: Ah, I see I was mistaken, the previously mentioned one time she reacted to him, she in fact did not. He wrapped his tongue around her neck before she could react, so grabbed the tongue that was around her neck which she wasn't able to react to and pulled him towards her. So she never actually reacted to him.


I'm not going to move this to the graveyard because I feel I'm right when it's the middle of the debate. I'm going to move it to the graveyard because I know I'm right and have already ended this debate. You've got no ground to stand on and are taking a page from the book of Lady Tsunade, downplaying Temari and hyping Tsunade. And the ironic part is, Lady Tsunade won't even touch this debate. She knows Tsunade is screwed. Why don't you?

This thread is nothing but an excuse for you to post-farm, given the plain inability for Tsunade to win.

So then, unless you've got some real evidence to present with your next post, this is going back where it belongs. The graveyard.

[tyrell4life194]

Originally Posted by Dudemeister

It wasn't the middle, it was the end. It ended the moment someone said Quick Beheading Dance. It ended before that. The first post of the first page. Tsunade has nothing to even remotely suggest she could ever do anything about Kamatari. You know it, I know it, hell, even Lady Tsunade knows it and she's got a long long record of arguing in Tsunade's favor even when Tsunade is plainly outmatched.

And yes, Orochimaru was holding back. He even admitted as such. There were numerous times throughout the fight that Orochimaru could have killed her but chose not to, compared to the what? One time she landed a hit on him? The only other time she ever did anything close to reacting to him was when he attacked Naruto. He was like a few hundred meters away and she was sitting right next to Naruto. Clearly she makes Barry Allen look slow.


EDIT: Ah, I see I was mistaken, the previously mentioned one time she reacted to him, she in fact did not. He wrapped his tongue around her neck before she could react, so grabbed the tongue that was around her neck which she wasn't able to react to and pulled him towards her. So she never actually reacted to him.


I'm not going to move this to the graveyard because I feel I'm right when it's the middle of the debate. I'm going to move it to the graveyard because I know I'm right and have already ended this debate. You've got no ground to stand on and are taking a page from the book of Lady Tsunade, downplaying Temari and hyping Tsunade. And the ironic part is, Lady Tsunade won't even touch this debate. She knows Tsunade is screwed. Why don't you?

This thread is nothing but an excuse for you to post-farm, given the plain inability for Tsunade to win.

So then, unless you've got some real evidence to present with your next post, this is going back where it belongs. The graveyard.

You will not let that go will you? I know you have a grudge against Lady Tsunade, but was it really necessary to troll on her like that? That's ignorant, and that's rude.

She dodged Kabuto's attack from underground, which clearly trumps over any of Temari's speed feats. Temari has shown little to no feats, with or without her Fan. Also, Tsunade was able to hand a hit on Manda by jumping into the air, and impale Manda with a bigass sword. All of Temari's Jutsus are generated through her Fan. Her Jutsus are completely useless without the Fan. Also, Tsunade literally used her chakra to heal everyone in Konohagakure no Sato, and also formed a chakra shield to protect Konohagakura no Sato with Deva destroyed the village with the CST. This proves that Tsunade has massive chakra control and massive chakra reserves.

You think that's impressive? Hmm lets see. Oh here's one! She survived an attack from the Sword of Kusanagi by Orochimaru. This is the same sword that sent the KN4 flying. And before you say "it's just like a regular sword," you're also wrong on that claim. It depends on the shape, size, and structure of a sword. The Sword of Kusanagi is a double-edge sword. Also, Orochimaru can channel chakra through the sword, which will apply more force to the sword, to grant the user a more effective hit on the victim. Judging by Orochimaru's strength (being able to land a punch on KN4, and sent the KN4 flying with the sword), the force of the sword will be increased dramatically. It' just just a regular sword. It's a type of sword where you can channel your chakra through like any other sword, but Orochimaru has massive chakra reserves. This means that he can generate more chakra into the sword than normal. Also, Orochimaru can shoot the sword out of his mouth, and fire it at great distances. Can a regular sword do that? Hell no. So stop your whining and give me proof of Temari winning this. Give me proof that Temari's Wind Techniques will hurt her. Give me proof that Temari has the necessary speed to keep up with Tsunade. Give mr proof that Temari has enough reaction speed to avoid Tsunade's Jutsus. Until then, shut the hell up.

Also, stop trolling on BlackChidori, because he obviously know more than you do.

[Yori]

Stop Flame baiting Ty, lately you been going off for no reason at members in BG.

[Uchiha Raimaru]

Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Don't move this to the graveyard because you feel you're right when its the middle of a debate. Make a point that proves me wrong followed by 6 people saying "lol yeah this is a stomp".

I think I love you more and more each time you post something.

Originally Posted by Dudemeister

This thread is nothing but an excuse for you to post-farm

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All I'm saying.

Also, even if Orochimaru is half-dead with no arms and holding back, Oro>>>>>>>PTS TenTen and Tayuya.

I really see no reason why Tsunade couldn't tank everything Temari has.

[ItachixKisame]

Originally Posted by Uchiha Raimaru

I think I love you more and more each time you post something.



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All I'm saying.

Also, even if Orochimaru is half-dead with no arms and holding back, Oro>>>>>>>PTS TenTen and Tayuya.

I really see no reason why Tsunade couldn't tank everything Temari has.

You're a genius :P Well tbh if Tsunade would get stomped by Temari she shouldn't even be hokage. I mean Hokage is like the strongest ninja in the village.

[Yori]

Originally Posted by ItachixKisame

You're a genius :P Well tbh if Tsunade would get stomped by Temari she shouldn't even be hokage. I mean Hokage is like the strongest ninja in the village.

Thats irrelevant seeing how some Konoha ninja's can stop Tsunade any given day

[Frost ninja]

Originally Posted by ItachixKisame

You're a genius :P Well tbh if Tsunade would get stomped by Temari she shouldn't even be hokage. I mean Hokage is like the strongest ninja in the village.

Then why hasn't naruto, achieving sage mode and crushing the paths of pain, get hokage?

They aren't chosen to be strongest, thats what they are hyped to be.
Hell Jirayia was the first choice and he refused so he went to get tsu to do it for him. Tsu is far from the strongest.

[Nyruss]

Originally Posted by tyrell4life194

You will not let that go will you? I know you have a grudge against Lady Tsunade, but was it really necessary to troll on her like that? That's ignorant, and that's rude.

Ignorant? No. Rude? Maybe. I don't have a grudge against Lady Tsunade any more than I have a grudge against anyone else. I'm simply using her as an example.

She dodged Kabuto's attack from underground, which clearly trumps over any of Temari's speed feats.

That's great. Kamatari instantly leveled a large portion of a massive forest.

Temari has shown little to no feats, with or without her Fan.

As I've said so many times before, quality > quantity.

Also, Tsunade was able to hand a hit on Manda by jumping into the air, and impale Manda with a bigass sword.

Also, Kamatari instantly leveled a large portion of a massive forest.

All of Temari's Jutsus are generated through her Fan. Her Jutsus are completely useless without the Fan.

Irrelevant.

Also, Tsunade literally used her chakra to heal everyone in Konohagakure no Sato, and also formed a chakra shield to protect Konohagakura no Sato with Deva destroyed the village with the CST. This proves that Tsunade has massive chakra control and massive chakra reserves.

That's fascinating. Too bad it won't help her when Kamatari slices her to pieces.

She survived an attack from the Sword of Kusanagi by Orochimaru.

You keep bringing that up as if it were an impressive feat. I've said it before and I;ll say it again, even though I know it won't penetrate your thick skull.


As far as its destructive properties in relation to the human body is concerned, Kusanagi is a normal sword.

Maybe it's really sharp, maybe it's realy durable, maybe chakra can be channeled through it, that doesn't matter.

Because it's just a normal sword that does not in any way make the damage it does greater than any other sword.

It doesn't magically sprout extra blades with which to eviscerate Tsunade's insides.

It's just a normal sword. Tsunade got stabbed once. It easily pierced her body, on account of her not having the durability to withstand this. After this, Orochimaru sliced her throat open and she used Creation Rebirth.

Once again, normal sword. Me smart, you not, sword normal.

So stop your whining and give me proof of Temari winning this.

I already did that, you just refuse to accept it.

Give me proof that Temari's Wind Techniques will hurt her.

Give me proof that Tsunade can survive being sliced to bits by Kamatari.

Give me proof that Temari has the necessary speed to keep up with Tsunade.

I don't have to because Tsunad will be dead long before she gets the chance to give Temari the opportunity to test that idea. What with Kamatari slicing her to bits and all.

Give mr proof that Temari has enough reaction speed to avoid Tsunade's Jutsus.

Give me proof that Tsunade can survive Kamatari slicing her to pieces in order to use those jutsus.


And as I see TheBlackChidori has yet to make an appearance and as I see tyrell has decided to input his own troll two cents which are equally as baseless as TBC's tripe in an effort to postfarm, I'm giving this thread a one way ticket to the trashheap.

P.S. I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner. ^_^ *blocks tyrell*