Spoiler: If Sasuke can control the Kyuubi...

TheBlackChidori · 12-03-2010, 11:15 AM

Why can't he control the Hachibi when he fought against Killer Bee? Is there some sort of connection between the Kyuubi and the Uchiha that we've yet to discover(Other than Madara summoning him)?

Or is it because Naruto didn't have control of his Bijuu at the time and KB has full control. Either way, it makes no sense.

JazzJunkie4 · 12-03-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Why can't he control the Hachibi when he fought against Killer Bee? Is there some sort of connection between the Kyuubi and the Uchiha that we've yet to discover(Other than Madara summoning him)?

Or is it because Naruto didn't have control of his Bijuu at the time and KB has full control. Either way, it makes no sense.

There is a connection between the uchiha and kyubi. We have known this for a while now, the sharingan is known for being able to control the kyubi while it can control some other things as well (people, manda, etc...). There is lots of references to this, just go back to a few chapters like the itachi and sasuke fight etc.

Wooster · 12-03-2010, 11:19 AM

Well first of all, I think there is some sort of special connection. After all, only First supposedly can control all the Tailed beasts.

Secondly maybe Sasuke was just stupid and arrogant, as usual, and only tired to control Killerbee. Thus the Hachibi was free to snap Killerbee out of the genjutsu.

Thirdly, maybe Kishimoto screwed up due to retcon once again. >.>

Revived Kakuzu · 12-03-2010, 11:20 AM

Well, one thing you could note is that although it is the Hachibi's body... It's still Bee's consciousness, so perhaps that's why Sasuke couldn't control him. And also, he was under pressure, so I doubt he had time to try it.

TheBlackChidori · 12-03-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Revived Kakuzu

Well, one thing you could note is that although it is the Hachibi's body... It's still Bee's consciousness, so perhaps that's why Sasuke couldn't control him. And also, he was under pressure, so I doubt he had time to try it.

I'm thinking it has to do with Bee's mental control as well. Like now that Naruto has learned to control the Kyuubi, it's safe to say he can fight against Madara and Sasuke without fear of getting the Kyuubi ripped out of him...which would make for fun plots =D

Revived Kakuzu · 12-03-2010, 01:32 PM

Yeah, perhaps it's that the bijuu contain some of their 'dumb' when unleashed. Like when Shukaku was unleashed, he only wanted to cause destruction, so we could assume if it were another beast, they wouldn't know what to do when hit with the sharingan, thus... Needed the jinchuuriki to break them out of it?

EvL j3st3r · 12-03-2010, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Why can't he control the Hachibi when he fought against Killer Bee? Is there some sort of connection between the Kyuubi and the Uchiha that we've yet to discover(Other than Madara summoning him)?

Or is it because Naruto didn't have control of his Bijuu at the time and KB has full control. Either way, it makes no sense.

Kind of on this topic:

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82059

Devil's Lawyer · 12-03-2010, 03:01 PM

My theory is because the 9 tails is the strongest of all the beasts and still has the majority of the jyuubi traits. The sharigan could have been designed to control that power.

3littlepigs · 12-03-2010, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBlackChidori

Why can't he control the Hachibi when he fought against Killer Bee? Is there some sort of connection between the Kyuubi and the Uchiha that we've yet to discover(Other than Madara summoning him)?

Or is it because Naruto didn't have control of his Bijuu at the time and KB has full control. Either way, it makes no sense.

Obviously there's the fact that the Uchiha's powers came from the Sage and the Sage was the one who split the Juubi in nine and Madara always had a "preference" if you can call it that for using the Kyuubi. I don't remember it ever being said that his EMS could only control the Kyuubi and not the other beasts. Also, Sasuke has never really "controlled" the Kyuubi since it's inside Naruto, he just locked it's chakra for a period of time when Naruto was already weak from the fight with Oro, and add plot-no-jutsu to that as well.

Bee is on another league when compared to Sasuke...first they both use the same element, Bee has more experience not just in years and battles but also his ability with the sword is pretty amazing...Sasuke was unlucky to get him as an opponent. Also, Sasuke uses genjutsu a lot and that doesn't work against Bee because him and the Hachibi are a perfect team and they help each other in cases like that.

So to answer your question lol Sasuke can't really control the Kyuubi (as far as we know...that could change with EMS) and Bee and Naruto are different because Bee can actually control the Hachibi.

Uchiha Raimaru · 12-03-2010, 05:36 PM

Instead of typing everything out again, or using copy and paste, I'll quote my post from the thread that EvL j3st3r linked to:

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To truly discuss this, we must look at one unknown: what did Sasuke control at Orochimaru's base near the beginning of Shippuden? Was it the Kyuubi's consciousness, or it's chakra? I'd been thinking that he surpressed the Kyuubi's consciousness, but while thinking about it here, I may be wrong.

Think about this: when Sasuke controlled Manda, he trapped him in a Sharingan genjutsu. When he controlled the fox, it appeared that the only use of Sharingan genjutsu he used was to get into Naruto's mind. If he controlled the Kyuubi's consciousness, then he wouldn't have had to put his hand on the Kyuubi's nose, and instead could have stood there as the Fox shut up and went back into it's cage as a good little Bijuu. But that didn't happen.

In chapter 309, page 7, Sasuke suppresses the Kyuubi, but the Kyuubi continues to talk (which is sign #1 that Sasuke didn't suppress its consciousness), saying, "Unbelievable...To think you'd even be able to suppress my power..."

So, I think that Sasuke could, if he tried to, suppress the Kyuubi even now. I think the reason he didn't control the Hachibi is because the Sharingan has no power over that Bijuu. The Sharingan has been stated to be able to control the Kyuubi, not to control a bijuu. Make sense?

But I think that Sasuke probably won't try to suppress the Kyuubi this time around for two reasons:

1. Sasuke has had a major personality change since obtaining the Mangekyou Sharingan, and thus his fighting style has also changed, and

2. Kishimoto wouldn't go through Naruto learning to control the Kyuubi just for Sasuke to suppress it on sight.

That's my opinion, take from it what you will.

zerosameri · 12-04-2010, 10:50 AM

If Kishi makes Sasuke able to control the Kyuubi, kishi just gave Sasuke and instaint access to Power rap Naruto even more. But Sasuke can all ready 'control' the Kyuubi in a sense. But sense the kyuubi is in a state of being 'opened' and not 'locked down' Sasuke should be able (same with Madara) have a instaint access to controlling the Kyuubi. But technically the kyuubi is not even a whole, half of him is missing. So that's probably the reason why Sasuke can't control the Kyuubi now.

DeemonFox · 12-04-2010, 05:05 PM

Sasuke won't even be able to control his bowels when he sees what naruto is capable of.

somerandomgirl14 · 12-04-2010, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DeemonFox

Sasuke won't even be able to control his bowels when he sees what naruto is capable of.

There goes my Dr Pepper.

Anyway, this got me thinking. (You can spam and hate me for all I care. I've had enough in real life) What would happen if Madara gets the Ten tails, and he can't control it.

I KNOW he has the rinnegan, but still, it's only ONE eye.

Yori · 12-04-2010, 08:52 PM

He should be able to. I think Itachi could have done it to. But I'm speculating because his assignment was Naruto and duh Itachi was an Uchiha.

However the Kyubi and Uchiha has some sort of connection. At the Uchiha stronghold there was a poster that had the meaning of Fox with 8 swirls around it.

So I say Sasuke could do it. Madara did it easily with his Sharingan but Madara had practice. Sasuke won't know he can do it until Madara tell him, or he face Naruto.

Uchiha Raimaru · 12-04-2010, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Yori

So I say Sasuke could do it. Madara did it easily with his Sharingan but Madara had practice. Sasuke won't know he can do it until Madara tell him, or he face Naruto.

After Itachi killed the clan, he told Sasuke to go to the clan's meeting place. There was a tablet that could only be read with certain doujutsu that contained information on the Mangekyou Sharingan as well as the Rikudou Sennin. It is unknown how much Sasuke read of this, but he does know the Sharingan can control the Kyuubi because in Chapter 385, Page 15 Itachi tells Sasuke that the Mangekyou will eventually make the user blind. Sasuke responds with, "Blindness...That is the price you have to pay to control the Kyuubi."

EvL j3st3r · 12-04-2010, 09:49 PM

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There goes my Dr Pepper.

Anyway, this got me thinking. (You can spam and hate me for all I care. I've had enough in real life) What would happen if Madara gets the Ten tails, and he can't control it.

I KNOW he has the rinnegan, but still, it's only ONE eye.

One thing to remember is that we have no proof that Madara's one Rinnegan eye isn't just as capable as if he had two. The only Dojutsu that's proven any emphasis on having both eyes is Mangekyo Sharingan (since one eye is genjutsu, the other is ninjutsu, and it takes both to pull off Susanoo).

sharingangirl · 12-05-2010, 02:31 AM

I don't think sasuke really tried too control da beast... but now that sasuke has the ems I bet he could control it easily and defeat kb. omg i can't wait to see what happens when naruto vs sasuke.

lolohwd · 12-05-2010, 02:51 AM

MAdara controled the kyuubi with ems

therefore
madara screwed with teh kyuubis mind
and is now mind raped when he sees an uchiha with a sharingan.

and bee is stronger with more control over his beast

12-03-2010, 11:19 AM	#3
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12-03-2010, 11:15 AM	#1
TheBlackChidori Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Wherever the Winds of Fate take me. Posts: 14,869 Rep Power: 0	If Sasuke can control the Kyuubi... Why can't he control the Hachibi when he fought against Killer Bee? Is there some sort of connection between the Kyuubi and the Uchiha that we've yet to discover(Other than Madara summoning him)? Or is it because Naruto didn't have control of his Bijuu at the time and KB has full control. Either way, it makes no sense.

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sharingangirl Genin Elite Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 456 Rep Power: 6	Re: If Sasuke can control the Kyuubi... I don't think sasuke really tried too control da beast... but now that sasuke has the ems I bet he could control it easily and defeat kb. omg i can't wait to see what happens when naruto vs sasuke.

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