Admiral Aokiji vs. Admiral Kizaru

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

We all know who wins between Aojiki and Akainu.

Your point?

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Your point?

The point is obvious. That is the point.

[zetsu2141]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

It has been confirmed that Busōshoku Haki can bypass logia intangibility, with proper training. Haki is powered by drive/willpower, and it doesn't equalize with Ki, as only a specific ability of Haki users allow them to hurt Logias.

When did he recieve the proper training that helped him master this?

Lets see vice admirals are capable of using haki but it was never specifed how much but as an admiral they would have greater use of haki we can see this in akainu who was able to survive being attacked with no damage by opponents who were using haki and one was shown able to attack logias and aojiki survived a blow from whitebeard who has shown capable of injuring logia's thus showing that the admirals might be able to use haki to a great extent allowing the injuring of logia's.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

I know this doesn't necessarily mean he can hit other logias, but now that I think about it, I believe the Admirals did use Haki as a shield to prevent Whitebeard from destroying the execution platform. That leads me to believe that they would have some mastery over it, or that would have been unsuccessful.

If this isn't the case then that's problematic since logia users are pretty much invulnerable to the majority of attacks and would leave a lot of stalemates.

Not a good enough feat when it's a one on one battle.

Would that have worked with just one Haki?

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

The point is obvious. That is the point.

o_O

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

The way I see it, the defense of the Execution platform, is unclear right now. It is possible that that could have been all Aokiji. It could have been all Kizaru. Could have been all Aikanu. Until they both have shown individual feats with Haki, their skill in Haki, is vague.

[zetsu2141]

Originally Posted by Maikeru Shinigami

The way I see it, the defense of the Execution platform, is unclear right now. It is possible that that could have been all Aokiji. It could have been all Kizaru. Could have been all Aikanu. Until they both have shown individual feats with Haki, their skill in Haki, is vague.

Well both akainu and aojiki as i stated in a ealeir post have shown capable of surving haki attacks with no damage possibly showing skill in haki.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Not a good enough feat when it's a one on one battle.

Would that have worked with just one Haki?



o_O

We don't know, that was the only real showing we got. But it would be pathetic for admiral users to be unable to at least damage logia users if they had Haki, in all honesty that's the one thing I imagine them being able to do with it.

Originally Posted by Maikeru Shinigami

The way I see it, the defense of the Execution platform, is unclear right now. It is possible that that could have been all Aokiji. It could have been all Kizaru. Could have been all Aikanu. Until they both have shown individual feats with Haki, their skill in Haki, is vague.

I doubt Oda would show them all using Haki to block just to reveal that two Admirals BS'd it and that one actually had all of the skill, that would be poor writing.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Originally Posted by zetsu2141

Well both akainu and aojiki as i stated in a ealeir post have shown capable of surving haki attacks with no damage possibly showing skill in haki.

This is true. That said, it's kind of hard to depict how their Haki combats against each other. For all we now, Aokiji could be three times more skilled in Haki than Kizaru.

That said, from what I've seen, I'd say assuming that their Haki is equal, Kizaru has a slight edge.

[Devil's Lawyer]

From what I seen of the Admirals Kizaru has shown the best fighting skills so far. Aokiji freezing would be of limited use against Kizarau. Speed and close combat lets reference the fact that he was also the dominate fighter against both Rayleigh and Marco in those fights.

Who is the top fighter Aokiji faced?

[zetsu2141]

Originally Posted by Maikeru Shinigami

This is true. That said, it's kind of hard to depict how their Haki combats against each other. For all we now, Aokiji could be three times more skilled in Haki than Kizaru.

That said, from what I've seen, I'd say assuming that their Haki is equal, Kizaru has a slight edge.

Acutally kizaru has not shown being capable of survivng haki attacks with no damage only the other 2 admirals shown that.

[zetsu2141]

[QUOTE=Devil's Lawyer;4296192]From what I seen of the Admirals Kizaru has shown the best fighting skills so far. Aokiji freezing would be of limited use against Kizarau. Speed and close combat lets reference the fact that he was also the dominate fighter against both Rayleigh and Marco in those fights.

Who is the top fighter Aokiji faced?[/QUOTE]

He beat the third divison commander jozu and he faced off against whitebeard and survied being stabbed by him with no dmage afterwards and i beleive he froze whitebeard a few times then whitebeard used his powers to get out but i can't remember.

[Devil's Lawyer]

[QUOTE=zetsu2141;4296208]

Originally Posted by Devil's Lawyer

From what I seen of the Admirals Kizaru has shown the best fighting skills so far. Aokiji freezing would be of limited use against Kizarau. Speed and close combat lets reference the fact that he was also the dominate fighter against both Rayleigh and Marco in those fights.

Who is the top fighter Aokiji faced?[/QUOTE]

He beat the third divison commander jozu and he faced off against whitebeard and survied being stabbed by him with no dmage afterwards and i beleive he froze whitebeard a few times then whitebeard used his powers to get out but i can't remember.

I remember now. That fight against whitebeard wasn't cut and dry he was hurt. He just froze the wound close to numb the pain and stop the bleeding.

[zetsu2141]

[QUOTE=Devil's Lawyer;4296235]

Originally Posted by zetsu2141

I remember now. That fight against whitebeard wasn't cut and dry he was hurt. He just froze the wound close to numb the pain and stop the bleeding.

Well that shows great duriblity to survive being stabbed by a bisento from a person who's 3 times larger then him.

[Dio Brando]

Some serious wanking going on in this thread and I'm here to fix that.

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Kizaru rapes.

Kizaru's main tributes is his speed. He's lightspeed. You do the math.

How on earth does Kizaru rapes his fellow Admiral my good friend Nara Shikamaru kun?

All the Admirals are roughly at the same level.

Originally Posted by Devil's Lawyer

Kizaru is proven to be the better fighter out of all of the Admirals. The other two wouldn't be fast enough to hit him with their powers.

How would you know? Kizaru can't battle at the speed of light, Aokiji can easily keep up with him expect when he travels.

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

For this match though I would probably side with Kizaru from what I remember. One of Kizaru's light kicks was able to destroy multiple city blocks and I don't recall Aokiji showing extensive durability feats.

It destroyed a Mangrove tree do you even read? Where did he destroy city blocks? That wasn't a city that was an island. -_-

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

He's Lightspeed (traveling, not maintainable over long distances), but when he's traveling he's hypersonic+ (without a doubt in the double digits, is at least as fast as Kuma evident of the fact he is arguably the fastest character in the whole series)

He's also easily stronger than Aojiki. He's 100+ tons (able to kick characters like X.Drake, Urouge and Basil Hawkins, through multiple buildings)

These are feats that by far outclass Aojiki.

He isn't stronger or faster (except when traveling) than Aokiji, they're equal.

Just because Aokiji didn't show such strength or speed feats doesn't mean hes weaker than Kizaru. Common sense that they're around the same level.

Also his Ice Age is more impressive than Kizaru's mangrove kicking technique.

Common sense >>> Feats

[Dio Brando]

Originally Posted by zetsu2141

I was assuming they would say aojiki rapes because of his freezing abilties.

Kizaru doesn't move at lightspeed in the middle of the battle that's a traveling speed and when did kizaru show lightspeed capilties his attacks don't even move at lightspeed. Still if kizaru gets close we can assume aojiki just freezes him or attacks him with a ice spear.

This. Kizaru isn't raping Aokiji any time soon. Aokiji has a good chance of winning with his Ice Age.

Also in the middle of battle they're around the same speed.

Originally Posted by Maikeru Shinigami

Personally, I don't believe there's enough feats to say who would beat who. We could always say Kizaru is faster, and would win because Aokiji couldn't hit him. However, even in such a case, Robin used her powers to rip Aokiji in half, but Aokiji just reformed from the ice. Not saying it would happen, but I don't think it would be as big of a walk in the park for Kizaru as most would think. That said, I'm not certain Aokiji could hit Kizaru either, because of his speed. However, if Aokiji can hit Kizaru, he could freeze him, and if Kizaru really hits Aokiji, it could really do him in. It's kind of hard to choose because neither have really shown any weakness at this point, and with them both being logias, it makes it that much more difficult.

They both have Busoushoku Haki

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Kizaru hasn't shown very impressive durability feats either. Only City block level+ (Logia intangibility and regeneration makes him very hard to kill although, possibly higher)

But I don't consider intangibility much of a feat.

Anyway, Yata no Kagami and Yasakata no Magatama mix easily takes this considering Aokiji can't block light.

Rayleigh was able to block light why can't Aokiji?

Considering they all have Busoushoku Haki

Also during the time Kizaru uses those attacks Aokiji can easily Ice Age him.

[Dio Brando]

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

IIRC, the manga stated that every Vice-Admiral can use Haki. Logically, this means that the Admirals would be able to as well. It would be pathetic for logia users to encounter other logia users and not be able to do anything anyway.

They do have it, considering they have 40+ years of experience and are top tiers.

The problem is Aokiji hasn't shown that much destructive power when compared to Kizaru's casual light kick. Kizaru has the power advantage on his side so Aokiji's lack of durability feats makes it worse on him.

Dude are you blind? Aokiji's Ice Age is more impressive than anything Kizaru has done, also he tanked Jozu's Brilliant Punk which has several million tons of strength involved considering he lifted that iceberg.

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Didn't I just explain Logia Intangibility?

Wouldn't matter because they both have Busushoku Haki

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

It has been confirmed that Busōshoku Haki can bypass logia intangibility, with proper training. Haki is powered by drive/willpower, and it doesn't equalize with Ki, as only a specific ability of Haki users allow them to hurt Logias.

When did he recieve the proper training that helped him master this?

The doctor said that all Vice Admiral + know how to use Haki. The Admiral obviously can as well, what training? They had like 40+ years of experience.

Originally Posted by Maikeru Shinigami

From what I've seen, it's kind of difficult to know how much effect Haki would have in this match. I don't specifically remember either Aokiji or Kizaru showing any real feats with Haki.

Its canon that all of the Admiral level fighters have Haki. Or else they wouldn't be Admiral level because they can't hurt the Admirals.

[Dio Brando]

And Shikamaru Nara, do you know what rape (like completely destroyed an opponent) means? Well I just defined it for you.

You can only rape someone who is a lot weaker than you. For example Superman rapes Naruto.

How on earth does Kizaru rape someone equal to him? You make no sense.

[Dio Brando]

And Aokiji can either tank or dodge laser kicks, while Kizaru has no way of avoiding getting his brain frozen.

Its hard to say really, since we know so little about him. No one wins until more is shown.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by Dio Brando

It destroyed a Mangrove tree do you even read? Where did he destroy city blocks? That wasn't a city that was an island. -_-

He isn't stronger or faster (except when traveling) than Aokiji, they're equal.

Yes I do read, whether or not you believe this to be true is irrelevant. The size of the explosion if I recall correctly was at least a city block, if not a multi city block, buster. Aside from that, this "common sense" you speak of easily dictates that Kizaru should at least be able to multi city block bust.

Actually Kizaru is slightly faster, not by an amount to blitz but nonetheless he has demonstrated better speed than Aokiji.

Originally Posted by Dio Brando

Dude are you blind? Aokiji's Ice Age is more impressive than anything Kizaru has done, also he tanked Jozu's Brilliant Punk which has several million tons of strength involved considering he lifted that iceberg.

Rhetorical questions are unnecessary here.

How is Ice Age more impressive? It's good and all but it's not extensively fast, plus Kizaru could most certainly get out of the way.

Aokiji tanked Brilliant Punk? Have to read again on that one because I don't remember that happening.

What's with the negative attitude?

[Shikamaru Nara]

Somebody is wanking their favorite character.

Even if it Haki works, how does Aokiji win?