Admiral Aokiji vs. Admiral Kizaru

[zetsu2141]

A battle between 2 of the admirals from one piece.
Location: marineford
Restrictions: none
No prep.
Who wins?

[Shikamaru Nara]

Kizaru rapes.

Kizaru's main tributes is his speed. He's lightspeed. You do the math.

[zetsu2141]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Kizaru rapes.

Kizaru's main tributes is his speed. He's lightspeed. You do the math.

I was assuming they would say aojiki rapes because of his freezing abilties.

Kizaru doesn't move at lightspeed in the middle of the battle that's a traveling speed and when did kizaru show lightspeed capilties his attacks don't even move at lightspeed. Still if kizaru gets close we can assume aojiki just freezes him or attacks him with a ice spear.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Kizaru is proven to be the better fighter out of all of the Admirals. The other two wouldn't be fast enough to hit him with their powers.

[zetsu2141]

Originally Posted by Devil's Lawyer

Kizaru is proven to be the better fighter out of all of the Admirals. The other two wouldn't be fast enough to hit him with their powers.

In terms of speed yes but he has nowhere near the destructive capilties of the other admirals which gives aojiki a advantage plus even kizaru has been hit, aojiki's speed can at least keep him from not being blitzed since close range ajoki can frzze kizaru and long range should give ajoiki the time to defend.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Kizaru only has lightspeed when traveling, and even then that is heavily limited. Kizaru would not blitz Aokiji as far as I can tell.

For this match though I would probably side with Kizaru from what I remember. One of Kizaru's light kicks was able to destroy multiple city blocks and I don't recall Aokiji showing extensive durability feats.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by zetsu2141

I was assuming they would say aojiki rapes because of his freezing abilties.

Kizaru doesn't move at lightspeed in the middle of the battle that's a traveling speed and when did kizaru show lightspeed capilties his attacks don't even move at lightspeed. Still if kizaru gets close we can assume aojiki just freezes him or attacks him with a ice spear.

He's Lightspeed (traveling, not maintainable over long distances), but when he's traveling he's hypersonic+ (without a doubt in the double digits, is at least as fast as Kuma evident of the fact he is arguably the fastest character in the whole series)

He's also easily stronger than Aojiki. He's 100+ tons (able to kick characters like X.Drake, Urouge and Basil Hawkins, through multiple buildings)

These are feats that by far outclass Aojiki.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

Personally, I don't believe there's enough feats to say who would beat who. We could always say Kizaru is faster, and would win because Aokiji couldn't hit him. However, even in such a case, Robin used her powers to rip Aokiji in half, but Aokiji just reformed from the ice. Not saying it would happen, but I don't think it would be as big of a walk in the park for Kizaru as most would think. That said, I'm not certain Aokiji could hit Kizaru either, because of his speed. However, if Aokiji can hit Kizaru, he could freeze him, and if Kizaru really hits Aokiji, it could really do him in. It's kind of hard to choose because neither have really shown any weakness at this point, and with them both being logias, it makes it that much more difficult.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

Kizaru only has lightspeed when traveling, and even then that is heavily limited. Kizaru would not blitz Aokiji as far as I can tell.

For this match though I would probably side with Kizaru from what I remember. One of Kizaru's light kicks was able to destroy multiple city blocks and I don't recall Aokiji showing extensive durability feats.

Kizaru hasn't shown very impressive durability feats either. Only City block level+ (Logia intangibility and regeneration makes him very hard to kill although, possibly higher)

But I don't consider intangibility much of a feat.

Anyway, Yata no Kagami and Yasakata no Magatama mix easily takes this considering Aokiji can't block light.

[zetsu2141]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

He's Lightspeed (traveling, not maintainable over long distances), but when he's traveling he's hypersonic+ (without a doubt in the double digits, is at least as fast as Kuma evident of the fact he is arguably the fastest character in the whole series)

He's also easily stronger than Aojiki. He's 100+ tons (able to kick characters like X.Drake, Urouge and Basil Hawkins, through multiple buildings)

These are feats that by far outclass Aojiki.

His traveling speed won't help much here but kizaru doesn't have great duribilty feats though neither does aojiki. Regardless kizaru doesn't have amny attacks his light kick is one of his deadliest but it won't really kill aokiji while aojiki has a large varity of attacks that can freeze him or kill him otherwise. but i think overall that kizaru would win i don't think it would be a stomp

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by Maikeru Shinigami

Personally, I don't believe there's enough feats to say who would beat who. We could always say Kizaru is faster, and would win because Aokiji couldn't hit him. However, even in such a case, Robin used her powers to rip Aokiji in half, but Aokiji just reformed from the ice. Not saying it would happen, but I don't think it would be as big of a walk in the park for Kizaru as most would think. That said, I'm not certain Aokiji could hit Kizaru either, because of his speed. However, if Aokiji can hit Kizaru, he could freeze him, and if Kizaru really hits Aokiji, it could really do him in. It's kind of hard to choose because neither have really shown any weakness at this point, and with them both being logias, it makes it that much more difficult.

IIRC, the manga stated that every Vice-Admiral can use Haki. Logically, this means that the Admirals would be able to as well. It would be pathetic for logia users to encounter other logia users and not be able to do anything anyway.

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Kizaru hasn't shown very impressive durability feats either. Only City block level+ (Logia intangibility and regeneration makes him very hard to kill although, possibly higher)

But I don't consider intangibility much of a feat.

Anyway, Yata no Kagami and Yasakata no Magatama mix easily takes this considering Aokiji can't block light.

The problem is Aokiji hasn't shown that much destructive power when compared to Kizaru's casual light kick. Kizaru has the power advantage on his side so Aokiji's lack of durability feats makes it worse on him.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by zetsu2141

His traveling speed won't help much here but kizaru doesn't have great duribilty feats though neither does aojiki. Regardless kizaru doesn't have amny attacks his light kick is one of his deadliest but it won't really kill aokiji while aojiki has a large varity of attacks that can freeze him or kill him otherwise. but i think overall that kizaru would win i don't think it would be a stomp

Didn't I just explain Logia Intangibility?

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

IIRC, the manga stated that every Vice-Admiral can use Haki. Logically, this means that the Admirals would be able to as well. It would be pathetic for logia users to encounter other logia users and not be able to do anything anyway.



The problem is Aokiji hasn't shown that much destructive power when compared to Kizaru's casual light kick. Kizaru has the power advantage on his side so Aokiji's lack of durability feats makes it worse on him.

That's what I was saying.

[zetsu2141]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

Didn't I just explain Logia Intangibility?

Since admirals are able to use haki it wouldn't help one bit.

[Shikamaru Nara]

Originally Posted by zetsu2141

Since admirals are able to use haki it wouldn't help one bit.

It has been confirmed that Busōshoku Haki can bypass logia intangibility, with proper training. Haki is powered by drive/willpower, and it doesn't equalize with Ki, as only a specific ability of Haki users allow them to hurt Logias.

When did he recieve the proper training that helped him master this?

[UltimatePuppetMaster48]

i say its a tie (:<

[Shikamaru Nara]

You need to provide reasoning. I suggest you visit the rules before posting again.

[Maikeru D. Shinigami]

From what I've seen, it's kind of difficult to know how much effect Haki would have in this match. I don't specifically remember either Aokiji or Kizaru showing any real feats with Haki.

[321zigzag3]

We all know who wins between Aojiki and Akainu.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by Shikamaru Nara

It has been confirmed that Busōshoku Haki can bypass logia intangibility, with proper training. Haki is powered by drive/willpower, and it doesn't equalize with Ki, as only a specific ability of Haki users allow them to hurt Logias.

When did he recieve the proper training that helped him master this?

I know this doesn't necessarily mean he can hit other logias, but now that I think about it, I believe the Admirals did use Haki as a shield to prevent Whitebeard from destroying the execution platform. That leads me to believe that they would have some mastery over it, or that would have been unsuccessful.

If this isn't the case then that's problematic since logia users are pretty much invulnerable to the majority of attacks and would leave a lot of stalemates.