How the new tier system will work in the BG.

[Devil's Lawyer]

lolwut that doesn't sound accurate at all. The panels are hard to gauge. For instance Lets use yusuke. Supposedly after toguro he was in the subsonic levels. Yet in the d during the sensui arc he could barely keep up after a motorcycle.

[Akatsuki X]

It's not perfectly accurate,
but it's more accurate than character statements or hype.

[deidara330]

Although more recently I've taken a liking to using reaction times to guage panels. Dudemeister once said that a manga is like real life in every way unless otherwise specified, because that simplifies things. If so, than human reaction time can be applied to manga panels to guage times. If a character X moves a certain distance and then character Y reacts, we can say that character X moved whatever distance he moved within at most as much time as it takes the average human to react to something. It makes logical sense and isn't hard to calculate because a time is given.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Originally Posted by deidara330

Although more recently I've taken a liking to using reaction times to guage panels. Dudemeister once said that a manga is like real life in every way unless otherwise specified, because that simplifies things. If so, than human reaction time can be applied to manga panels to guage times. If a character X moves a certain distance and then character Y reacts, we can say that character X moved whatever distance he moved within at most as much time as it takes the average human to react to something. It makes logical sense and isn't hard to calculate because a time is given.

Seems simple but I never knew human beings could shoot energy from their hands.

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by Akatsuki X

I think the top three are the only ones really needed.
Naruto, One Piece, Bleach.

But I agree that Naruto is the most important one to get out of the way.
Bleach too, but Aizen and Ichigo are massively faster than everyone.

I actually am curious about one piece,but naruto is the only thing I have time to really immerse myself in. I did 10 calcs that were quite easy in terms with a calculator. However,the daunting task of finding every applicable manga panel is a bit eh. xD Plus I tend to read it which slows things down. xD

Originally Posted by Devil's Lawyer

So I always wondered how do you calculate speed in manga. In most manga and anime high speed is shown to be almost identical. The only anime that I have seen that have shown a stand alone speed above all the rest is dbz.

Here's How Deidara330 did his.KEEP in mind that Deidara's calculations are more accurate.

We begin by finding the character's height. Sometimes this is hard because a lot like Asura path don't have a listed one. Yet,some such as Tsunade and Kisame have some. For the most part, if wiki doesn't have one; you have to to trust an internet source.To be frank, they range from 166 to 185 cm. However, it's best to try to confirm them,even if they are estimates.

Next you measure the characters height in the panel.This is crucial because for your next step.

After this, you measure the distance between the character and their destination. For a panel like Kisame's GSM versus Gai's tiger; that's easy. When you are trying to get Naruto's Sagemode speed, sometimes you have a weird perspective and varying body sizes.( For my calculation, I got (5/15ths of an inch) and (1 1/5 inches). So it's important to note that you may have to use the other guy's depicted size.(in this case, I calculated Asura path's height instead of Naruto's)

Next you take that number of inches and divide it by the character's height. This gives you how many times the character in question can fit in the distance you are calculating.

Next you multiply the quotient you just received by the character's height to get the distance in cm.

Since the manga panel we are calculating has some reference of time passing,such as an exclamation or jump; we can conclude that it's the human's reaction time. This is done by dividing 1000/190 = 5.2631579. Keep in mind that this is best done when a character is blitzing another.

Last you take that Reaction time(Human reaction time as stated on Wiki) and multiply it by the distance covered to get the speed of the attack you are measuring.

ExampleKeep in mind that my calculations might be a bit off since I was using a tape measure to measure the manga panels.) xD

Asura Path Blitzing Tsunade(Using Tsunade's height since Asura doesn't have a listed one) Chapter 430, page 15

Tsunade's height = 166 centimeters, Her panel's height was (10/16ths of an inch)
So (10/16th = .625) is equal to 166 centimeters.
Manga panel distance: approximately 1.9 inches
1.9/.625 = 30.4(This is the number you multiply by her height to get the distance between her and Asura in Centimeters.)
30.4 x 166 = 5046.4
1000/190 = 5.2631529
5.2631529 x 504.64 = 2655.9974 centimeters
26559.974/100= 26.559974 Meters per second Asura path's speed

Originally Posted by Devil's Lawyer

lolwut that doesn't sound accurate at all. The panels are hard to gauge. For instance Lets use yusuke. Supposedly after toguro he was in the subsonic levels. Yet in the d during the sensui arc he could barely keep up after a motorcycle.

Most panels are too hard to gauge. You'd be lucky if 1/10 were applicable.

[321zigzag3]

It appears I have missed much during 2 weeks absence but anyway.


Panel usage is usually inaccurate because they are unquantifiable which is why calculating folks try to be general as possible even with the height measurement and weight measurement, general as possible notice I say that again. Key phrase.

[Devil's Lawyer]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

It appears I have missed much during 2 weeks absence but anyway.


Panel usage is usually inaccurate because they are unquantifiable which is why calculating folks try to be general as possible even with the height measurement and weight measurement, general as possible notice I say that again. Key phrase.

I see uses of calcs in a fictional battle arena like the bg. But for the most part once labeled the calcs are abused. Speed blitz is all you here all day. Whats the use of putting them in a battle if that is the arguement you will use.
I think in most battles involving characters with extreme speed there should be a condition stopping them from using said speed right off the bat. Something like both characters are hidden from their opponents.

[Bacon]

Estimation Ziggy, Estimations is all it is. I'd rather use this sort of calculation and come up with realistic measures,than having mach speeds being thrown around.

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Devil's Lawyer

I see uses of calcs in a fictional battle arena like the bg. But for the most part once labeled the calcs are abused. Speed blitz is all you here all day. Whats the use of putting them in a battle if that is the arguement you will use.
I think in most battles involving characters with extreme speed there should be a condition stopping them from using said speed right off the bat. Something like both characters are hidden from their opponents.

You are correct blitzing isn't usually occuring unless it is obvious or you can prove it.

Calculations are over abused. I am going to have really make that Narutoverse speed thread and explain their origins and etc.

Originally Posted by Bacon

Estimation Ziggy, Estimations is all it is. I'd rather use this sort of calculation and come up with realistic measures,than having mach speeds being thrown around.

The fact the manga has minor inconsistencies makes it better for generalities but anyway like I said need to make that thread one day.

And get the fact here that mach speeds and etc shouldn't be worried about in general unless it is something Naruto vs bleach or Naruto vs One Piece or Naruto vs fairy Tail, you get my drift.

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

You are correct blitzing isn't usually occuring unless it is obvious or you can prove it.

Calculations are over abused. I am going to have really make that Narutoverse speed thread and explain their origins and etc.





The fact the manga has minor inconsistencies makes it better for generalities but anyway like I said need to make that thread one day.

And get the fact here that mach speeds and etc shouldn't be worried about in general unless it is something Naruto vs bleach or Naruto vs One Piece or Naruto vs fairy Tail, you get my drift.

I'm currently making the tier since I have found some interesting things. A lot is omited,but it's nice to get a number. Hell, I found deva and naruto be slower than 100 meters per second. That said, all of it is assuming that naruto characters have an average reaction time of 1/5 of a second.(or which ever D330 found on wiki)

[321zigzag3]

Originally Posted by Bacon

I'm currently making the tier since I have found some interesting things. A lot is omited,but it's nice to get a number. Hell, I found deva and naruto be slower than 100 meters per second. That said, all of it is assuming that naruto characters have an average reaction time of 1/5 of a second.(or which ever D330 found on wiki)

Are you talking about when Naruto was falling with bunch of clones on Deva?

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

Are you talking about when Naruto was falling with bunch of clones on Deva?

Nope,using the method above, I found his blitz of Preta path(The guy who can suck of jutsu) to be 83 meters per second.

[321zigzag3]

When did Naruto blitz Preta Path?

[Bacon]

Different scanlation sights have different pages,but it's in chapter 433.The barrier guy was protecting Deva I believe.

[321zigzag3]

That isn't necessarily blitzing. Since Naruto was transformed into original self right then and then tackled Preta Path, since Naruto was just right there there is nothing Preta Path could have done.

[Bacon]

I have been skimming these chapters,but it seemed to me as if he was in sage mode. He used a projectile rasengan to inhibit his ability to run. Then he tackled him from quite a distance still. Like I said, there are some inconsisitencies since Preta's height is different from naruto's. I believe it was a ratio of 4 to 1 in size. Nevertheless, I believe the current plan is to get a range of speeds to gauge the characters,since naruto could possibly move faster. yet,there is nothing to confirm taht as of yet.

[321zigzag3]

He was in Sage Mode when that whole thing occured after all he only made on real FRS.

And there are feats of speed. Killerbee's speeding away to the nearest large hill/mountain within a second or two should be obvious.

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag3

He was in Sage Mode when that whole thing occured after all he only made on real FRS.

And there are feats of speed. Killerbee's speeding away to the nearest large hill/mountain within a second or two should be obvious.

The point of calculating them is to avoid this type of thing.While I am all for debating based on our own judgement; sometimes you get people picking based on their personal preferences. I would rather calculate them as an option, rather than having a debate which has Raikage being reduced to a blitz fest.

[321zigzag3]

But Raikage is going to in general blitz anyone minus top tiers. Although this is barring 100+ distances and other factors and etc.

[Bacon]

The point of the calcs is to prove who can and can't blitz. It fufills the point you have about Tsunade in her peak having an impressive reaction time,despite her lack of speed. >.>