What do you think about the Muslim World

Ur Mom · 10-22-2010, 04:42 PM

In general.......I won't be posting anything because I could write several essays worth of info on my beliefs, so I'll just be the Q&A guy.

Amani · 10-22-2010, 07:04 PM

What do you mean by that?
You make the muslim world sound like it's, well...an entirely different world. It's on planet Earth, you know. Just like every other country.

lolohwd · 10-22-2010, 07:06 PM

its a religious group just like anyone else...that value certain things over other things

Jutsu Junkie · 10-23-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Amani

What do you mean by that?
You make the muslim world sound like it's, well...an entirely different world. It's on planet Earth, you know. Just like every other country.

It's not a country, although many Muslims want it to be.

Personally, I have no problem with Muslims as such. My chief gripe isn't really centered on Muslims, although they are the easiest to single out for this: I prefer secular societies. A disturbing number of nations consider themselves "Islamic republics." Secularism ensures that everybody's beliefs are respected (unless you live in France, where you can't wear a freakin' head scarf -- what shameful crap!). In proper secular societies, Muslims, Jews, Christians, and atheists can live in relative harmony while practicing their beliefs. I believe in equal representation under the law, so I don't like the way many nations that practice Sharia accommodate different faith communities by balkanizing the legal system.

I'm also against the Saudi interpretation of Sharia, viz the the disrespect for individual life and freedom. Killing people because they are homosexual is despicable.

TheTrueMasterofIllusions · 10-23-2010, 10:13 PM

Ok but how men treat women like property kind of offends me....

Amani · 10-24-2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jutsu Junkie

It's not a country, although many Muslims want it to be.

Personally, I have no problem with Muslims as such. My chief gripe isn't really centered on Muslims, although they are the easiest to single out for this: I prefer secular societies. A disturbing number of nations consider themselves "Islamic republics." Secularism ensures that everybody's beliefs are respected (unless you live in France, where you can't wear a freakin' head scarf -- what shameful crap!). In proper secular societies, Muslims, Jews, Christians, and atheists can live in relative harmony while practicing their beliefs. I believe in equal representation under the law, so I don't like the way many nations that practice Sharia accommodate different faith communities by balkanizing the legal system.

I'm also against the Saudi interpretation of Sharia, viz the the disrespect for individual life and freedom. Killing people because they are homosexual is despicable.

When I say country, I'm referencing to the country's in which muslims are the majority.

Throw Rasen-Shuriken · 11-24-2010, 04:39 AM

No matter which way you look at it, it's just another religion, there isn't really anything that different from the rest, they all have there beliefs, there's also the point, that they are no different to any other, I don't see the point as to why certain religions, get discriminated on, only because of the actions of a few of that religion.

It wasn't all within that religion, that caused the trouble and what not, in the first place, if anything, the World and it's people, judge too harshly, they are no different to another religion, nor another person, within this World.

They don't need to be discriminated on, that causes them to feel isolated, unwanted within this World, fearful of what may happen, if those around them, realize or find out, that they are a certain religion, in this case, Muslim.

mrsticky005 · 12-04-2010, 02:00 AM

It's terrible. It is the cause of Jihadist Terrorism and a lot of human rights violations. It is by far, the biggest obstacle to peace next to the U.N.

"But not all Muslims are Terrorists!"

Of course they aren't. However it cannot be denied that most terrorists
today are Muslim and that there are quite a bit of terrorists. At least
more than enough to declare war on. Jihadist Terrorists exist because
the Muslim World wants just that a Muslim World, and the Jihadist
Terrorists plan to bring that Muslim World to fruition by any means
possible. A terrorist terrorizes. Why do they terrorize? To scare
people into following a political movement or ideal. Terrorists want
to scare the world into becoming Muslim. Of course not all
Muslims think this way. In fact many Muslims would rather
have peace than to conquer all other nations under a Muslim flag.
However the Muslim World and particularly those that represent
it are pretty much supporting Jihadist Terrorists. Those who don't
support Jihadist Terrorists in the Muslim World usually don't have
much to say because often times those people end up dead.
Though a big part of the problem lies with the free world.
I don't think we do enough to help the Muslims who don't
support terrorism in the Muslim World. I think we allow
too much corruption in the Muslim World. But then again
it's simple why. No it's not because of oil. But rather it's
because countries are afraid of pissing off the entire
Muslim World, which is a VERY large piece of the human
population. Even so I think a lot of this is reaping what was sown.

sakura2021 · 12-04-2010, 02:41 AM

its a religion there isn't really anything differentfrom the rest
but the actions of a few of that religion doesnt mean that all of them the same and do wat they do !! so that i dnt think they r Terrorists only few of them and as i said before it doesnt mean that all of them Terrorists !!

DeemonFox · 12-05-2010, 07:06 PM

Just like any other religion, i guess... Nothing really significant to contribute to civilization. Although, the detriment of islam to our world is greater than other religions.

Shikamaru Nara · 12-06-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsticky005

It's terrible.

Although I tend to stay away from this to avoid arguing, this cannot go untouched.

No religion is wrong.

Muslims likely look at us and say "It's terrible."

We're no different.

Sasori_X · 12-08-2010, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mrsticky005

However the Muslim World and particularly those that represent it are pretty much supporting Jihadist Terrorists.

Sorry, it must be my reading comprehension or something. But I fail to see how this logic works. You already stated that "In fact many Muslims would rather have peace than to conquer all other nations under a Muslim flag." Yet then afterwards make a statement that just contradicts what you just said. So how exactly does being muslim makes you a supporter for the extremist? I mean I would understand if they started donating money to them or something, but I highly doubt thats the case. I mean thats just like saying that all christians are associated with those protestant christians that hold up signs during soldier funerals saying "Thank God for dead soldiers" trying to protest against gays in the army.

mrsticky005 · 12-08-2010, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michelle

Although I tend to stay away from this to avoid arguing, this cannot go untouched.

No religion is wrong.

Muslims likely look at us and say "It's terrible."

We're no different.

I never said Islam is wrong. Islamic Countries are wrong.
That doesn't mean countries where everybody is Islamic
but rather where everybody HAS to be Islamic.
Islamic Countries force their ideals into it's people
and censor any ideals they don't approve of.
This is why the Islamic World is terrible.

And the whole "we're no different" is politically correct nonsense.
Yes we ARE different. I mean do YOU go on suicide bombings?
I know I don't. People only say this crap because of the Crusades
because they think because Christians apparently doing bad things
in the past that somehow justifies the bad things Muslims do now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasori_X

Sorry, it must be my reading comprehension or something. But I fail to see how this logic works. You already stated that "In fact many Muslims would rather have peace than to conquer all other nations under a Muslim flag." Yet then afterwards make a statement that just contradicts what you just said. So how exactly does being muslim makes you a supporter for the extremist? I mean I would understand if they started donating money to them or something, but I highly doubt thats the case. I mean thats just like saying that all christians are associated with those protestant christians that hold up signs during soldier funerals saying "Thank God for dead soldiers" trying to protest against gays in the army.

It's your reading comprehension

It's terrible. It is the cause of Jihadist Terrorism and a lot of human rights violations. It is by far, the biggest obstacle to peace next to the U.N.

"But not all Muslims are Terrorists!"

Of course they aren't. However it cannot be denied that most terrorists
today are Muslim and that there are quite a bit of terrorists. At least
more than enough to declare war on. Jihadist Terrorists exist because
the Muslim World wants just that a Muslim World, and the Jihadist
Terrorists plan to bring that Muslim World to fruition by any means
possible. A terrorist terrorizes. Why do they terrorize? To scare
people into following a political movement or ideal. Terrorists want
to scare the world into becoming Muslim. Of course not all
Muslims think this way. In fact many Muslims would rather
have peace than to conquer all other nations under a Muslim flag.
However the Muslim World and particularly those that represent
it are pretty much supporting Jihadist Terrorists. Those who don't
support Jihadist Terrorists in the Muslim World usually don't have
much to say because often times those people end up dead.
Though a big part of the problem lies with the free world.
I don't think we do enough to help the Muslims who don't
support terrorism in the Muslim World. I think we allow
too much corruption in the Muslim World. But then again
it's simple why. No it's not because of oil. But rather it's
because countries are afraid of pissing off the entire
Muslim World, which is a VERY large piece of the human
population. Even so I think a lot of this is reaping what was sown.

I highlighted the part you misread. I wasn't saying many Muslims want
peace and then saying they don't. I was saying that many Muslims want
peace but there are also many that don't...or at least even if the Muslims who don't want peace are fewer they are without a doubt louder.

mrsticky005 · 12-08-2010, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DeemonFox

Just like any other religion, i guess... Nothing really significant to contribute to civilization. Although, the detriment of islam to our world is greater than other religions.

Face palm.

Are you kidding?

Much of our math and science comes from the Islamic World.

Also as for your "Just like any other religion" comment.
Many "contributions to civilization" were founded by religious people.

DeemonFox · 12-08-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Face palm.

Are you kidding?

Much of our math and science comes from the Islamic World.

Also as for your "Just like any other religion" comment.
Many "contributions to civilization" were founded by religious people.

These contributions were not the cause of religion. I would go as far as to say they were founded in spite of religion.

Jutsu Junkie · 12-08-2010, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DeemonFox

These contributions were not the cause of religion. I would go as far as to say they were founded in spite of religion.

Actually, the standardization of Arabic as the language of trade, administration, and science, allowed the transmission of scientific thought to flourish over a wide area, and the Caliphate of the Abbasids actually encouraged the incorporation and translation of Greek, Indian, and Persian scientific thought into their cultural framework, spreading it quickly from their seat of power in Baghdad. This became popular the high society of the empire, and studying Creation became known as a kind of worship (as it is seen today by many religious scientists -- yes, they exist). It is true that the ulama only tolerated this with reserve, but they didn't protest against it, which would have stalled the spread of such thought in its tracks, considering their influence. So I really wouldn't say that scientific thought flourished in spite of religion, since a theocracy sought the spread of such study.

mrsticky005 · 12-09-2010, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jutsu Junkie

Actually, the standardization of Arabic as the language of trade, administration, and science, allowed the transmission of scientific thought to flourish over a wide area, and the Caliphate of the Abbasids actually encouraged the incorporation and translation of Greek, Indian, and Persian scientific thought into their cultural framework, spreading it quickly from their seat of power in Baghdad. This became popular the high society of the empire, and studying Creation became known as a kind of worship (as it is seen today by many religious scientists -- yes, they exist). It is true that the ulama only tolerated this with reserve, but they didn't protest against it, which would have stalled the spread of such thought in its tracks, considering their influence. So I really wouldn't say that scientific thought flourished in spite of religion, since a theocracy sought the spread of such study.

My thoughts exactly...if only my thoughts did that much research.

DeemonFox · 12-09-2010, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jutsu Junkie

Actually, the standardization of Arabic as the language of trade, administration, and science, allowed the transmission of scientific thought to flourish over a wide area, and the Caliphate of the Abbasids actually encouraged the incorporation and translation of Greek, Indian, and Persian scientific thought into their cultural framework, spreading it quickly from their seat of power in Baghdad. This became popular the high society of the empire, and studying Creation became known as a kind of worship (as it is seen today by many religious scientists -- yes, they exist). It is true that the ulama only tolerated this with reserve, but they didn't protest against it, which would have stalled the spread of such thought in its tracks, considering their influence. So I really wouldn't say that scientific thought flourished in spite of religion, since a theocracy sought the spread of such study.

Yes, it is true that from about 800-1100A.D. the cultural and intellectual center of the world was Baghdad. I'm not going to deny history, but any further contribution or discovery was halted in the 12th by, you guessed it, religion. An Imam named Hamid Al-Ghazali introduced a twisted interpretation of Islam, calling mathematics the work of Shatan or Satan in english. The only mental framework that would accept such a perverted view is a religious one. To give you an idea of where the muslim world stands as far as contributing anymore to society, this man is celebrated as a great scholar in Islam. This is coming from someone with a muslim background and someone who wishes they could have contributed more.

History will show that most of the great thinkers have one thing in common that had hindered their contributions to human civilization. That is their individual and/or societal religiosity. It's the worship of the gaps. So, yes, we've come a long way in spite of religion.

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Originally Posted by mrsticky005

My thoughts exactly...if only my thoughts did that much research.

Research is good for you

Sasori_X · 12-13-2010, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

It's your reading comprehension

It's terrible. It is the cause of Jihadist Terrorism and a lot of human rights violations. It is by far, the biggest obstacle to peace next to the U.N.

"But not all Muslims are Terrorists!"

Of course they aren't. However it cannot be denied that most terrorists
today are Muslim and that there are quite a bit of terrorists. At least
more than enough to declare war on. Jihadist Terrorists exist because
the Muslim World wants just that a Muslim World, and the Jihadist
Terrorists plan to bring that Muslim World to fruition by any means
possible. A terrorist terrorizes. Why do they terrorize? To scare
people into following a political movement or ideal. Terrorists want
to scare the world into becoming Muslim. Of course not all
Muslims think this way. In fact many Muslims would rather
have peace than to conquer all other nations under a Muslim flag.
However the Muslim World and particularly those that represent
it are pretty much supporting Jihadist Terrorists. Those who don't
support Jihadist Terrorists in the Muslim World usually don't have
much to say because often times those people end up dead.
Though a big part of the problem lies with the free world.
I don't think we do enough to help the Muslims who don't
support terrorism in the Muslim World. I think we allow
too much corruption in the Muslim World. But then again
it's simple why. No it's not because of oil. But rather it's
because countries are afraid of pissing off the entire
Muslim World, which is a VERY large piece of the human
population. Even so I think a lot of this is reaping what was sown.

I highlighted the part you misread. I wasn't saying many Muslims want
peace and then saying they don't. I was saying that many Muslims want
peace but there are also many that don't...or at least even if the Muslims who don't want peace are fewer they are without a doubt louder.

So your pretty much saying that the muslims that do want peace are the smaller majority because most of them are probably killed by the extremist who don't like people thinking different of them?

I still disagree to a sense though..... I can live with your argument.

However....

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

I never said Islam is wrong. Islamic Countries are wrong.
That doesn't mean countries where everybody is Islamic
but rather where everybody HAS to be Islamic.
Islamic Countries force their ideals into it's people
and censor any ideals they don't approve of.
This is why the Islamic World is terrible.

And the whole "we're no different" is politically correct nonsense.
Yes we ARE different. I mean do YOU go on suicide bombings?
I know I don't. People only say this crap because of the Crusades
because they think because Christians apparently doing bad things
in the past that somehow justifies the bad things Muslims do now.

This is something I agree with you 100%. Living in a Islamic world is one of the worst places you can possibly be and live in.

Ur Mom · 12-13-2010, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sasori_X

This is something I agree with you 100%. Living in a Islamic world is one of the worst places you can possibly be and live in.

Hey hey hey, back up there a second. No it's not. In fact, it's some of the better places, just exclude Palestine, The Saudis, Western Yemen, and Kashmiri Pakistan, and we're great. Even economy wise >.<. That was mean you know

Oh yeah, and Afghanistan and southern Sudan

10-22-2010, 04:42 PM	#1
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12-04-2010, 02:00 AM	#8
mrsticky005 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: In the White Text House Posts: 13,912 Rep Power: 23 Member's Picture Albums	Re: What do you think about the Muslim World It's terrible. It is the cause of Jihadist Terrorism and a lot of human rights violations. It is by far, the biggest obstacle to peace next to the U.N. "But not all Muslims are Terrorists!" Of course they aren't. However it cannot be denied that most terrorists today are Muslim and that there are quite a bit of terrorists. At least more than enough to declare war on. Jihadist Terrorists exist because the Muslim World wants just that a Muslim World, and the Jihadist Terrorists plan to bring that Muslim World to fruition by any means possible. A terrorist terrorizes. Why do they terrorize? To scare people into following a political movement or ideal. Terrorists want to scare the world into becoming Muslim. Of course not all Muslims think this way. In fact many Muslims would rather have peace than to conquer all other nations under a Muslim flag. However the Muslim World and particularly those that represent it are pretty much supporting Jihadist Terrorists. Those who don't support Jihadist Terrorists in the Muslim World usually don't have much to say because often times those people end up dead. Though a big part of the problem lies with the free world. I don't think we do enough to help the Muslims who don't support terrorism in the Muslim World. I think we allow too much corruption in the Muslim World. But then again it's simple why. No it's not because of oil. But rather it's because countries are afraid of pissing off the entire Muslim World, which is a VERY large piece of the human population. Even so I think a lot of this is reaping what was sown. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Spam once and the forum will be annoyed. Spam twice and warnings will be deployed Spam thrice and a infraction you will receive Spam 8,984 times and a FAIL Agent you''ll soon be. ...At least in my case. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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sakura2021 Genin Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 327 Rep Power: 8	Re: What do you think about the Muslim World its a religion there isn't really anything differentfrom the rest but the actions of a few of that religion doesnt mean that all of them the same and do wat they do !! so that i dnt think they r Terrorists only few of them and as i said before it doesnt mean that all of them Terrorists !! __________________ my frnds ^^ Spoiler: * maya doray * ( sis ) george hyuga Kon mangagirl Naruto117 sagemaster777( bro ) sakura202 didi wah, didi, didi di ya sana didi di ya wee yeah eh

12-05-2010, 07:06 PM	#10
DeemonFox Genin Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 276 Rep Power: 0	Re: What do you think about the Muslim World Just like any other religion, i guess... Nothing really significant to contribute to civilization. Although, the detriment of islam to our world is greater than other religions.

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