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Old 08-20-2010, 08:27 PM   #21
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Default Re: Tsunade vs Wave Arc Kakashi

She dodged basic one on one close combat which full uses their speed and countered.
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Default Re: Tsunade vs Wave Arc Kakashi

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MVBG says it. Also some other feats throughout his fight with Kakashi.

You said that Wave Arc Kakashi could in no way match Tsunade, a Sannin, in terms of power or speed. That led me to assume that you were using her rank as a way for her to win.

Hmm, always thought it was four, but I'll take your word for it.

You said head earlier, which means autokill. So yeah, being struck in the head is definitely worse than in the heart. And yes, Haku was still alive afterwards briefly, but he couldn't move. So if said scenario occupied to Tsunade, then kunai to the head/chest.
People rely way too heavily on the MVBG. It said Kakuzu was class 50. Can you give any others like page numbers as an example?

No, I said, he couldn't match the speed of a Sannin, even being Tsunade, all who are very fast. It's more or less three people than a rank.

Yeah it was, but two more don't really make a difference, I was thinking of Sasuke.

How so? if you have no heart blood can't circulate therefore you die. Haku was alive for quite some time actually. Plus they're in character, Tsunade can heal, and Kakashi never really has shown the viciousness to go straight for the head or the like.

Sorry for the late reply if there are more posts I'll counter those too.
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Old 08-20-2010, 08:43 PM   #23
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Default Re: Tsunade vs Wave Arc Kakashi

Wave Arc Kakashi really cant handle Katsuyu.
and even if Tsunade gets hit by something like lightning blade, i doubt that it could instantly kill her, seeing that tsunade handled much more beating from Orochimaru.
basically i see it like this, if Kakashi charges with lightning blade and Tsunade charges with a full power punch, who would be more damaged?
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raikiri to the nads, the end
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:05 PM   #25
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Tsunade cant evade raikiri
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Tsunade doesn't have nads.
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Tsunade doesn't have nads.
no kidding, she still dies
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Tsunade cant evade raikiri
Apparently she can't kick the ground before Kakashi hits her causing a shockwabe making him trip up.
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raikiri kills Tsunade, and then of course Kakashi has sharingan genjutsu (relatively low level compare to even Sasuke let alone Itachi in genjutsu, but its still formadable againts all non sharingan users)
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Default Re: Tsunade vs Wave Arc Kakashi

Kakashi never really has shown the ability to hit a moving target with Raikiri. He got Kakuzu, but that isn't the Kakashi we're talking about, plus it was a sneak attack.

Haku moved into the raikiri that was being used then, and Zabuza was restrained by the dogs meanwhile, had Haku not have done so anyway.

He also said that it wasn't mean for curving or moving, and Tsunade wouldn't have much trouble doing so seeing as its just wave arc Kakashi who like I said before gets warn out pretty quickly with just regular Sharingan.

He never was one to fight prolonged battles, but Tsunade has Kakuzu who can heal and she can stay in pretty long fights.

Katsuyu was casually healing all of the Leaf Village, people who were by far near death woke up like they had just taken a Senzu Bean countless times.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:21 PM   #32
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Kakashi never really has shown the ability to hit a moving target with Raikiri. He got Kakuzu, but that isn't the Kakashi we're talking about, plus it was a sneak attack.

Haku moved into the raikiri that was being used then, and Zabuza was restrained by the dogs meanwhile, had Haku not have done so anyway.

He also said that it wasn't mean for curving or moving, and Tsunade wouldn't have much trouble doing so seeing as its just wave arc Kakashi who like I said before gets warn out pretty quickly with just regular Sharingan.

He never was one to fight prolonged battles, but Tsunade has Kakuzu who can heal and she can stay in pretty long fights.

Katsuyu was casually healing all of the Leaf Village, people who were by far near death woke up like they had just taken a Senzu Bean countless times.
thats great and all, but please provide:

1) a respectable speed feat of two from Tsunade that says she can evade raikiri (from wave arc, not later on)

2)genjutsu defense (i know kakashi's genjutsu is not even as good as Sasuke's let alone itachi's, but its still elite and effective against lesser sharingan users and all normal non sharingan users, not counting peoples like A or Killer Bee)
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thats great and all, but please provide:

1) a respectable speed feat of two from Tsunade that says she can evade raikiri (from wave arc, not later on)

2)genjutsu defense (i know kakashi's genjutsu is not even as good as Sasuke's let alone itachi's, but its still elite and effective against lesser sharingan users and all normal non sharingan users, not counting peoples like A or Killer Bee)
Why haven't you provided any feats showing that Kakashi's fast enough to do so or something that contradicts her being able to dodge it?

Really like I said he hasn't been able to hit anything that's moving other than a sneak attack but its a totally different Kakashi and like I said it was a sneak attack.

Kakashi's genjutsu wouldn't do much, provided it barely did anything to Sakura. What other genjutsu does he have anyway?

It won't do anything else shall it work, but it wont because she has Katsuyu to get her out.
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Old 08-20-2010, 09:33 PM   #34
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Tsunade has never killed anyone. Therefore she is incapable of doing so. Kakashi wins because he can kill people and Tsunade can't.
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Why haven't you provided any feats showing that Kakashi's fast enough to do so or something that contradicts her being able to dodge it?

Really like I said he hasn't been able to hit anything that's moving other than a sneak attack but its a totally different Kakashi and like I said it was a sneak attack.

Kakashi's genjutsu wouldn't do much, provided it barely did anything to Sakura. What other genjutsu does he have anyway?

It won't do anything else shall it work, but it wont because she has Katsuyu to get her out.
in chapter 455 i believe it was, Kakashi used a fairly high level genjutsu to instantly parilyze two anbu jus by flashing his sharingan, however thats a later feat

all i'm asking for is ONE respectable speed feat from tsunade that suggests she can evade raikiri
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in chapter 455 i believe it was, Kakashi used a fairly high level genjutsu to instantly parilyze two anbu jus by flashing his sharingan, however thats a later feat

all i'm asking for is ONE respectable speed feat from tsunade that suggests she can evade raikiri
how about her catching manda while she had gamabunta's sword in her hand. manda is pretty fast even for a summon..
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in chapter 455 i believe it was, Kakashi used a fairly high level genjutsu to instantly parilyze two anbu jus by flashing his sharingan, however thats a later feat

all i'm asking for is ONE respectable speed feat from tsunade that suggests she can evade raikiri
Yes, it is, therefore not a viable point of debate in this fight.

And all I'm asking for is one feat contradicting her ability to do so.

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Tsunade has never killed anyone. Therefore she is incapable of doing so. Kakashi wins because he can kill people and Tsunade can't.
Who has Kakashi killed that wasn't trying to be killed?
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Asura Pain. I think that's the one. The cyborg.

And it really doesn't matter if they were trying or not. The fact is that Kakashi has killed people and Tsunade hasn't. Sure Haku moved in front of Kakashi's attack, but Haku the speed of light, so unless you're going to argue that Tsunade is faster than light, there's nothing there.
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Asura Pain. I think that's the one. The cyborg.

And it really doesn't matter if they were trying or not. The fact is that Kakashi has killed people and Tsunade hasn't. Sure Haku moved in front of Kakashi's attack, but Haku the speed of light, so unless you're going to argue that Tsunade is faster than light, there's nothing there.
It got back up and was completely fine later before Naruto killed it for good. Plus thats not the Kakashi we're talking about.

Oh and if you're talking about her almost dying, Asura Pain still>>>>>Wave Arc Kakashi, and Tsunade was exhausted after healing the entire village with Katsuyu.

Haku isn't lightspeed. I'll get scans if your Haku Wank escalates further :LOS
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