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Old 08-15-2010, 11:43 AM   #41
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Lets face facts. we really dont know much of Tsunade's real capability compared to her sannin counterparts Jiraiya and Orochimaru.

Orochimaru showed a great vast of improvement when he fought in the shippuden series versus the original series. He showed feats never before seen when he fought four-tailed naruto.

Jiraiya also showed an increase in feats and capability when we saw him fight Pain. He introduced us to Sage Mode in shippuden

Tsunade however, the only thing we could base her on is her fight with Orochimaru and Kabuto. That isnt much especially if you concidered the fact that she barely even fought Kabuto and Orochimaru. The only improvement I saw her do in shippuden is her healing capabilities and its range but we have not yet seen her fight in the shippuden series. So right now all we know about tsunade is that she's a great healer, she's probibly one, if not, the strongest physically in the narutoworld, she has katsuyu, she can screw a person's nerve system if she ever connects, she has high tolerent to pain and thats about it compared to kakashi's gazillion feats.

To conclude, I think if we base this fight on feats, Kakashi wins hands down just because we saw him fight many more times then Tsunade ever did. But if you base things on Hype, I'd go for Tsunade hands down. Sometimes in the naruto world speed or strength isnt always what determines a fight, alot of times it depends on experience Im just saying that Tsunade has probibly twice as many experience as Kakashi knowing that she participated in 2 ninja war already. With that, saying that Tsunade would get hit or get killed by something like Lightning blade is ludicris.
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Old 08-15-2010, 11:44 AM   #42
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Kakashi wins.

Even though Tsunade has a certain speed advantage over Kakashi, she just cannot win. Let's take a look at her moves.

Chakra Enhanced Strength: Tsunade can increase her physical attack power by focusing chakra into her limbs.

Chakra Scalpel: Tsunade can focus chakra into her hands like a blade for surgeries and healing, although it can also be used offensively.

Creation Rebirth: Tsunade can use a regeneration technique that enhances her healing to faster speeds and higher levels, although it uses a lot of chakra and shortens her life.

Important Body Points Disturbance: By changing her chakra to electricity, Tsunade hits the opponent, causing them to lose control of their nerves and making body movement difficult.

Mystical Palm Technique: Tsunade can heal wounds she obtains by focusing chakra into them.

Painful Sky Leg: Tsunade uses her chakra enhanced strength and slams her foot into the ground, causing major damage.

Summoning Technique: Tsunade can summon the giant slug Katsuyu, who can heal, spit acid, and split into smaller slugs.


All of her moves (Excluding Katsuyu, which Kakashi could most likely kill.) are close range, and if she gets close to Kakashi, she'll end up getting hit by Raikiri.

That's the outcome, in my perspective. And even if she were able to get close to Kakashi, he is able to dodge punches. He wears her out, and then does Raikiri.

She gets tired quite quickly as shown in Tsunade Vs. Kabuto.
Do explain. I'd be intruiged to know how Kakashi can kill Katsuyu, who was able to tank Chou Shinra Tensei. Also, when Tsunade fought Kabuto she was rusty. She hadn't fought anyone properly for years. Or so Shizune said. At least I think it was Shizune. Also, you gave Tsunade a speed advantage. So she wouldn't be hit by Raikiri, if shes faster than Kakashi
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Slightly faster. She could still get hit, she has to be near him to punch him. So he just hits her then. And either way she is going to tire out because any human tires out. Also, are you implying that Tsunade would have beaten Kabuto?

Even if Kakashi couldn't kill Katsuyu, he can still jump onto her.
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BY Hype Kakashi wins hands underground ..

Kakashi was told to be feared by the greatest ninjas because of his mastery with sharingan eye , Being able to adapt , even be more the real uchihas themselves ,
Also it is told that he copied 1,000 Jutsus , No Hype in the world except SoSP Hype can beat that ..
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BY Hype Kakashi wins hands underground ..

Kakashi was told to be feared by the greatest ninjas because of his mastery with sharingan eye , Being able to adapt , even be more the real uchihas themselves ,
Also it is told that he copied 1,000 Jutsus , No Hype in the world except SoSP Hype can beat that ..
I am not really sure about the bold part. Sandaime was known as god of shinobi, the professor who had learned each and every technique in Konoha. Hashirama had control of all the tailed beasts. Tobirama knew space/time and impure world resurrection and was known as the greatest water user of his time. And Minato was fast as raikage.....xD
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Slightly faster. She could still get hit, she has to be near him to punch him. So he just hits her then. And either way she is going to tire out because any human tires out. Also, are you implying that Tsunade would have beaten Kabuto?

Even if Kakashi couldn't kill Katsuyu, he can still jump onto her.
She could. But with better speed than Kakashi, even if just a bit better speed. She can still avoid a few of them at least. Also, shes bloodlusted. Whats stopping her from Summning Katsuyu right off the bat? Yes. She would've beaten Kabuto. He was taking pills to make sure he never grew tired. And taking pills to restore the blood that Tsunade smacked out of him. She also had a hemophobia. Which he completely took advantage of. After he realised none of his tricks would work. And Katsuyu would've obviously stomped Kabuto had Tsunade summoned her.

If he ran up her back, he would be absorbed into her body. And would suffocate. That'd be a death wish.
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The reason I asked you to read this is that, you seemed to have forgotten speed advantage and full knowledge.
Being slightly faster does not make Tsunade immune to Kakashi's attacks.

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Now, I don't think it is necessary to tell you that more speed normally results in better reactions.
Kakashi's reaction speed is among the highest in the series. Even if Tsunade's movement speed were slightly higher than his there is no way in hell that she would have better reactions than him.

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So this battle wont be as simple as "raikiri to the face or heart"
On the contrary, it is exactly as simple as that. In order to do any sort of damage to Kakashi Tsunade would have to get in close. Not that she could do any damage to him period since he can casually avoid all of her attacks without trying, but you get the idea.

And since Kakashi can casually dodge her attacks he can just as casually Raikiri her in her fat face while she's still recovering.

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Whats stopping her from Summning Katsuyu right off the bat?
Katsuyu will be about as much use as a knife in a gunfight.

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He was taking pills to make sure he never grew tired.
Not that he needed to considering he casually kicked the crap out of her without trying while holding back.

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If he ran up her back, he would be absorbed into her body.
A: Proof. B: Katsuyu isn't fast enough to react to Kakashi's presence before Tsunade's got a Raikiri lodged in her brain.

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I am not really sure about the bold part. Sandaime was known as god of shinobi, the professor who had learned each and every technique in Konoha. Hashirama had control of all the tailed beasts. Tobirama knew space/time and impure world resurrection and was known as the greatest water user of his time. And Minato was fast as raikage.....xD
1,000 jutsus could include anything .. That's why it is called hype

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BY Hype Kakashi wins hands underground ..

Kakashi was told to be feared by the greatest ninjas because of his mastery with sharingan eye , Being able to adapt , even be more the real uchihas themselves ,
Also it is told that he copied 1,000 Jutsus , No Hype in the world except SoSP Hype can beat that ..
Kakashi's hype derive from him having sharingan. yes he has some mastery over his sharingan but do know that kakashi can NEVER master it in its fullest because he doesnt have the stamina for it. he himself said this.. at one point he actually feared that only an uchiha can beat itachi.
any of the sannin and yes even Tsunade's hype beats Kakashi.

Also it is told that he copied 1,000 Jutsus , No Hype in the world except SoSP Hype can beat that ..

this was known from the very beginning of the series THEN explain how kakashi trembled with fear when he faced against Orochimaru.. he literally was about to piss his pants..

also since were talking about hype.. i remember Ebisu asking Jiraiya why he hasnt taken down orochimaru yet.. he said that The only ones who could beat a sannin is another sannin.. thats a pretty good hype concidering that ebisu knows who the three sannins are..
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Being slightly faster does not make Tsunade immune to Kakashi's attacks.



Kakashi's reaction speed is among the highest in the series. Even if Tsunade's movement speed were slightly higher than his there is no way in hell that she would have better reactions than him.



On the contrary, it is exactly as simple as that. In order to do any sort of damage to Kakashi Tsunade would have to get in close. Not that she could do any damage to him period since he can casually avoid all of her attacks without trying, but you get the idea.

And since Kakashi can casually dodge her attacks he can just as casually Raikiri her in her fat face while she's still recovering.



Katsuyu will be about as much use as a knife in a gunfight.



Not that he needed to considering he casually kicked the crap out of her without trying while holding back.

A: Proof. B: Katsuyu isn't fast enough to react to Kakashi's presence before Tsunade's got a Raikiri lodged in her brain.
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Blood lust + Kakashi = Kamui Tsunade head right off the bat. This shouldn't be a debate

Edit: Due to the user of this thread that tries to give Tsunade an edge in a fight she can't win Kakashi doesn't have Kamui and another ability. Cheap, cheap cheap.
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No Kamui, genius.
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Katsuyu will be about as much use as a knife in a gunfight.
thats just pure opinion.. and my opinion is that kakashi has no way to kill katsuyu in anyway.. to me katsuyu might be weaker than manda and gamabunta but she definantly has more tanking power then the other two.. but the problem with that is, we've never really seen much of katsuyu's offensive capabilities excapt acid and body slams. but fact is, a body slam could definantly kill kakshi, kakshi's dogs would also be useless against a boss summon..
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Irrelevant. Killing Katsuyu isn't necessary to win. Killing Tsunade is all that is required.

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Kakashi's hype derive from him having sharingan. yes he has some mastery over his sharingan but do know that kakashi can NEVER master it in its fullest because he doesnt have the stamina for it. he himself said this.. at one point he actually feared that only an uchiha can beat itachi.
Only Sasuke can beat Itachi because Tsukyomi need the same blood line to breakthrough .. So that is Itachi thing , Now " Some Mastery " He already mastered , Activating MS , Upgrading the power , the speed , the reaction speed , I think that is mastery ..
He said that Because His body is 9/10 adapted to the Sharingan , As he is not from Uchiha Bloodline , So it takes more chakra than any Uchiha .. That is what he said But explained ..

any of the sannin and yes even Tsunade's hype beats Kakashi.
No , Copying 1,000 Jutsu is ultimate Hype , These 1,000 Jutsus can include anything . That's why it is hype ..

Also it is told that he copied 1,000 Jutsus , No Hype in the world except SoSP Hype can beat that ..


this was known from the very beginning of the series THEN explain how kakashi trembled with fear when he faced against Orochimaru.. he literally was about to piss his pants..
Chapter and Page , I need proof , that he was trembled ..

also since were talking about hype.. i remember Ebisu asking Jiraiya why he hasnt taken down orochimaru yet.. he said that The only ones who could beat a sannin is another sannin.. thats a pretty good hype concidering that ebisu knows who the three sannins are..
That is not proven at all , As Orochimaru was killed by Sasuke , Jiraiya was Killed by Nagato ( Six paths of pein )
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On the contrary, it is exactly as simple as that. In order to do any sort of damage to Kakashi Tsunade would have to get in close. Not that she could do any damage to him period since he can casually avoid all of her attacks without trying, but you get the idea.

And since Kakashi can casually dodge her attacks he can just as casually Raikiri her in her fat face while she's still recovering.
But the OP gave Tsunade a slight speed advantage. Now Kakashi is at least 200mp/h, so this automatically makes Tsunade faster than that. In close combat most of the times the winner is the fighter with better reaction speed.

Now the question is does Tsunade also gain reaction time(less reaction time) with increase in speed?
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So what you're saying is, Kakashi wins without trying and there is no possible way for Tsunade to ever win this fight unless Kakashi just stood there and let her hit him.
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But the OP gave Tsunade a slight speed advantage. Now Kakashi is at least 200mp/h, so this automatically makes Tsunade faster than that. In close combat most of the times the winner is the fighter with better reaction speed.

Now the question is does Tsunade also gain reaction time(less reaction time) with increase in speed?
Slight Speed advantage, doesn't change his reaction speed, only gives Tsunade a small speed advantage.
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