Author vs. Feats

[Shika-fiend]

What the author says is valid, but at the same time he/she can't come up with something on the spot. He'd have to still back up what he said.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Feats should always have importance over statements, whether they are by characters in the series or by the author himself. Why, you ask? Because if statements took importance, then despite everything saying otherwise, Haku would be light speed and therefore almost every competent Naruto character would be considered much faster than they truly are and would result in massive inconsistencies of all types.

I'd say that author statements are more reliable than character statements in verse though, although if feats contradict statements, then they obviously have priority.

[coil]

I believe that both are important. Sometimes the author might forget something and creat some kind of hole but some characters might not show many feats. For example, Sakura is said to be a good genjutsu user but she hasn't really shown any genjutsu talent except the genjutsu release. That doesn't mean that she is bad in Genjutsu but hasn't shown many abilities because she is normally watching the fights.

The same goes for most of the Kages and many other characters. I think that the databooks should always over rule unless it contradicts what is said in the series. Characters that hadn't shown skills shouldn't be debated against characters that had shown skill. Makes sense?

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by coil

I believe that both are important. Sometimes the author might forget something and creat some kind of hole but some characters might not show many feats. For example, Sakura is said to be a good genjutsu user but she hasn't really shown any genjutsu talent except the genjutsu release. That doesn't mean that she is bad in Genjutsu but hasn't shown many abilities because she is normally watching the fights.

The same goes for most of the Kages and many other characters. I think that the databooks should always over rule unless it contradicts what is said in the series. They shouldn't be argued agaisn't with the characters hadn't shown that much skill but with the characters had shown more skill. Makes sense?

Statements without proof are basically hype and shouldn't really be used to gauge a character's skill. If someone says that Kurenai can use her genjutsu on Pre-Skip Sakura to take her out, it wouldn't be right for a person to say "No, Sakura stomps because she is stated to be a good genjutsu user and can likely dispel it" when she still has yet to show it. In short, without some sort of proof, we can't assume things and try to make up ideas for debates.

Many of the Kages are featless, from what we know a lot of them are competent to an extent, but people overrate them to no end without any sort of proof that they have the strength that is claimed. It's never a good idea to put a featless character against a top tier because almost nobody would support the featless character unless they are either wanking or believe there is a good amount of hype that would point to that character winning. Examples are Hanzo and The White Fang, who are both featless but have a lot of hype. It's easier for Hanzo to be powerscaled since we know he solo'd the Sannin, but White Fang has only been stated to be above Sannin level without proof. It's clear that The White Fang has power, but he has never shown it and nobody knows if he ever will.

[coil]

Originally Posted by Miles Edgeworth

Statements without proof are basically hype and shouldn't really be used to gauge a character's skill. If someone says that Kurenai can use her genjutsu on Pre-Skip Sakura to take her out, it wouldn't be right for a person to say "No, Sakura stomps because she is stated to be a good genjutsu user and can likely dispel it" when she still has yet to show it. In short, without some sort of proof, we can't assume things and try to make up ideas for debates.

Many of the Kages are featless, from what we know a lot of them are competent to an extent, but people overrate them to no end without any sort of proof that they have the strength that is claimed. It's never a good idea to put a featless character against a top tier because almost nobody would support the featless character unless they are either wanking or believe there is a good amount of hype that would point to that character winning. Examples are Hanzo and The White Fang, who are both featless but have a lot of hype. It's easier for Hanzo to be powerscaled since we know he solo'd the Sannin, but White Fang has only been stated to be above Sannin level without proof. It's clear that The White Fang has power, but he has never shown it and nobody knows if he ever will.

You make it sound like i care about the fans wank. If Kishimoto says that Sakura is a better genjutsu user then kurenai then i would believe him because it is his series. That wouldn't be unreasonable either because Kishimoto can give Sakura a new genjutsu that we have never seen if he wanted to. Now if he said something about a debated character that is inconsistant with the manga then it should be ignored. Kishimoto said the white fangs abilities match the sanins but if we were to debate any of the sanins vs Sakumo, the smart thing to do would be to side with the sanins beause all we have is a general idea of what Sakumo is capable of.

Hanzo is a different story because he actualy has the feat of beating the three sanins at once.

Spoiler:

He only sparred them because they were able to put up a good fight.

[The 1st Hokage]

Originally Posted by coil

You make it sound like i care about the fans wank. If Kishimoto says that Sakura is a better genjutsu user then kurenai then i would believe him because it is his series. That wouldn't be unreasonable either because Kishimoto can give Sakura a new genjutsu that we have never seen if he wanted to. Now if he said something about a debated character that is inconsistant with the manga then it should be ignored. Kishimoto said the white fangs abilities match the sanins but if we were to debate any of the sanins vs Sakumo, the smart thing to do would be to side with the sanins beause all we have is a general idea of what Sakumo is capable of.

Hanzo is a different story because he actualy has the feat of beating the three sanins at once.

Spoiler:

He only sparred them because they were able to put up a good fight.

So you're saying if Kishi said that Sakura was a better genjutsu user than Kurenai, even though Sakura hasn't even shown the ability to use genjutsu, you'll believe him? Wow is my responce.

[coil]

Originally Posted by The 1st Hokage

So you're saying if Kishi said that Sakura was a better genjutsu user than Kurenai, even though Sakura hasn't even shown the ability to use genjutsu, you'll believe him? Wow is my responce.

Why not? They said that Sakura was an exceptional genjutsu user a couple of times so it wouldn't be inconsistant. Although i can agree that it wouldn't be a good idea, i wouldn't argue against Kishi unless the manga has already stated otherwise.

Kakashi knows about 1000 jutsu but we have only seen a few, are you going to say that he doesn't know anywhere near 1000 because we have'nt seen that many, either though he is always seen using new jutsu? Kishimoto says Sakura is good in genjutsu so he could give her the same genjutsu Kurenai used on Itachi, or maybe an even better one. It's his series so he makes the rules.

[The 1st Hokage]

Originally Posted by coil

Why not? They said that Sakura was an exceptional genjutsu user a couple of times so it wouldn't be inconsistant. Although i can agree that it wouldn't be a good idea, i wouldn't argue against Kishi unless the manga has already stated otherwise.

Kakashi knows about 1000 jutsu but we have only seen a few, are you going to say that he doesn't know anywhere near 1000 because we have'nt seen that many, either though he is always seen using new jutsu? Kishimoto says Sakura is good in genjutsu so he could give her the same genjutsu Kurenai used on Itachi, or maybe an even better one. It's his series so he makes the rules.

What chapter and page. I never recall anyone saying anything about Sakura being a Genjutsu user.

It's called hype. There hasn't been 1000+ jutsus shown in the series, so how can Kakashi know 1000? You can't just say in a debate "Kakashi wins cuz he knows 1000 jutsus cuz Kishi said so" You just can't.

[Ultimate combatant]

Authors statement means more than feats.

Feats only show something what character has done, not what he could do. Author can say what character did, and what he could have done. With other words he knows what each character is capable of.

And there is not many people who know the story better than its own creator, who knows the details of his story, which we will never know.

[The 1st Hokage]

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

Authors statement means more than feats.

Feats only show something what character has done, not what he could do. Author can say what character did, and what he could have done. With other words he knows what each character is capable of.

And there is not many people who know the story better than its own creator, who knows the details of his story, which we will never know.

So you're saying if Kishi said "Naruto could of just destroyed the planet to kill Pein" you'd beleive naruto could planet bust?

[Ultimate combatant]

Originally Posted by The 1st Hokage

So you're saying if Kishi said "Naruto could of just destroyed the planet to kill Pein" you'd beleive naruto could planet bust?

If he said that and be serious about it, of course I would believe him, because he`d have a reason to say so, although it would sound stupid. But the point is he did not say that, because he knows the story better than any of us and that`s why he knows how strong Naruto actually is. But if he really stated he could planet bust and not give explanation, than simply story wouldn`t be as interesting.

[coil]

Originally Posted by The 1st Hokage

What chapter and page. I never recall anyone saying anything about Sakura being a Genjutsu user.

It's called hype. There hasn't been 1000+ jutsus shown in the series, so how can Kakashi know 1000? You can't just say in a debate "Kakashi wins cuz he knows 1000 jutsus cuz Kishi said so" You just can't.

Chapter 246 p. 12 is one example. It was said a couple of times. Kakashi's knowledge of jutsus and Sakura's Genjutsu talent isn't good for debates because we haven't seen all of their jutsu but we know they have them. It is actually not for us to decide what the characters are capable of if Kishimoto states otherwise, unless the manga says differently.

About Naruto being able to blow up the earth. You may not like that idea, i don't think anyone does but if Kishimoto gives Naruto that ability then it is his choice. You can't just say Kishimoto is wrong about Naruto's abilities, it's his series so what he says goes.

I don't mind the way we debate here, actually i like it because it requires more thought but you shouldn't just say Kishimoto's statements false. How would you feel if someone tells you that you are wrong about the characters in your own manga?

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by coil

You make it sound like i care about the fans wank. If Kishimoto says that Sakura is a better genjutsu user then kurenai then i would believe him because it is his series. That wouldn't be unreasonable either because Kishimoto can give Sakura a new genjutsu that we have never seen if he wanted to. Now if he said something about a debated character that is inconsistant with the manga then it should be ignored. Kishimoto said the white fangs abilities match the sanins but if we were to debate any of the sanins vs Sakumo, the smart thing to do would be to side with the sanins beause all we have is a general idea of what Sakumo is capable of.

Hanzo is a different story because he actualy has the feat of beating the three sanins at once.

Spoiler:

He only sparred them because they were able to put up a good fight.

Except he never said that Sakura>Kurenai in genjutsu so that speculation is meaningless. Also, Kurenai is nigh-featless anyway so even if by chance Sakura was a better genjutsu user it's no feat at all.

Originally Posted by coil

Why not? They said that Sakura was an exceptional genjutsu user a couple of times so it wouldn't be inconsistant. Although i can agree that it wouldn't be a good idea, i wouldn't argue against Kishi unless the manga has already stated otherwise.

Kakashi knows about 1000 jutsu but we have only seen a few, are you going to say that he doesn't know anywhere near 1000 because we have'nt seen that many, either though he is always seen using new jutsu? Kishimoto says Sakura is good in genjutsu so he could give her the same genjutsu Kurenai used on Itachi, or maybe an even better one. It's his series so he makes the rules.

Hype.

Prove he knows "1000" jutsu. If he knows anywhere near 1000, it's mostly fodder jutsu because if he were so smart he would actually try using them in a fight, but I don't think he's even reached 50 jutsu.

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

Authors statement means more than feats.

Feats only show something what character has done, not what he could do. Author can say what character did, and what he could have done. With other words he knows what each character is capable of.

And there is not many people who know the story better than its own creator, who knows the details of his story, which we will never know.

Except for the fact that the manga is clear cut and shows things evidently, if the author believes something different from what the manga they wrote shows, then there is a problem. Also, that would mean that Haku is light speed because Kishi said so, despite any and every feat by him and much faster characters has been nowhere near light speed.

Originally Posted by Ultimate combatant

If he said that and be serious about it, of course I would believe him, because he`d have a reason to say so, although it would sound stupid. But the point is he did not say that, because he knows the story better than any of us and that`s why he knows how strong Naruto actually is. But if he really stated he could planet bust and not give explanation, than simply story wouldn`t be as interesting.

It would be horrifying writing to say Naruto can planet bust out of nowhere without some sort of reasonable explanation, because then Naruto would skyrocket over really any other character and it would be more retarded than it already is.

Originally Posted by coil

Chapter 246 p. 12 is one example. It was said a couple of times. Kakashi's knowledge of jutsus and Sakura's Genjutsu talent isn't good for debates because we haven't seen all of their jutsu but we know they have them. It is actually not for us to decide what the characters are capable of if Kishimoto states otherwise, unless the manga says differently.

About Naruto being able to blow up the earth. You may not like that idea, i don't think anyone does but if Kishimoto gives Naruto that ability then it is his choice. You can't just say Kishimoto is wrong about Naruto's abilities, it's his series so what he says goes.

I don't mind the way we debate here, actually i like it because it requires more thought but you shouldn't just say Kishimoto's statements false. How would you feel if someone tells you that you are wrong about the characters in your own manga?

If Kakashi truly had 1000 jutsus and if Sakura was really good at genjutsu, then why in the world has it taken hundreds of chapters and yet still not gotten to anything near showing these things? It is clear that the 1000 jutsu thing was hyperbole and without proof, he does not have 1000 jutsus or anywhere near them. Any and all genjutsu feats by Sakura besides dispelling one are non canon at this point.

If Kishimoto decides that current Naruto can suddenly planet bust, then that would have to be the most retarded thing I have ever heard of in my life. If Kishimoto makes some long training arc where Naruto magically learns to planet bust, then chances are the series would be retarded because he would be so much stronger than 90% of the cast, save for Sasuke, final villains, and whoever Kishi decides to buff.

Maybe if he didn't say that Haku was light speed we could take the databooks more seriously. From what we have seen, not Haku, not any top tier character, not even many verses that can blitz Narutoverse, are anywhere NEAR light speed. Dragon Ballverse can roflblitz Narutoverse in every way possible but even then they don't have light speed.

[coil]

Except he never said that Sakura>Kurenai in genjutsu so that speculation is meaningless. Also, Kurenai is nigh-featless anyway so even if by chance Sakura was a better genjutsu user it's no feat at all.

I never claimed that Sakura is a better genjutsu user. Kishimoto actually said that Kurenai is better in genjutsu but if he decided Sakura was better in genjutsu then that would be his choice.

Hype.

Prove he knows "1000" jutsu. If he knows anywhere near 1000, it's mostly fodder jutsu because if he were so smart he would actually try using them in a fight, but I don't think he's even reached 50 jutsu.

It was said in the manga. Kakashi may have not shown that many but do you expect him to throw in every jutsu he knows in the 5-10 fights we have seen him in. He still uses new jutsus in almost every fight. For example, in his fight against Pain he used four jutsu we have never seen.

Except for the fact that the manga is clear cut and shows things evidently, if the author believes something different from what the manga they wrote shows, then there is a problem. Also, that would mean that Haku is light speed because Kishi said so, despite any and every feat by him and much faster characters has been nowhere near light speed.

When Haku was in his jutsu he moved so fast that he was 100% undetectable until he stared to get tired. It appeared that there were several reflections of him in the mirror, even when he was moving from mirror to mirror. He said that everyone moves in slow motion to him. Prove that isn't light speed. The only reason Sasuke started to see his movements was because Haku started running out of chakra.

It would be horrifying writing to say Naruto can planet bust out of nowhere without some sort of reasonable explanation, because then Naruto would skyrocket over really any other character and it would be more retarded than it already is.

Yes it would be but it would also be his choice. He never did say that though and i don't thin he ever will.

If Kakashi truly had 1000 jutsus and if Sakura was really good at genjutsu, then why in the world has it taken hundreds of chapters and yet still not gotten to anything near showing these things? It is clear that the 1000 jutsu thing was hyperbole and without proof, he does not have 1000 jutsus or anywhere near them. Any and all genjutsu feats by Sakura besides dispelling one are non canon at this point.

That is only true if you go by feats alone. I know that is how we debate but the fact that it was said in the manga proves it. Why don't you do the impossible and prove that it was an exageration.

If Kishimoto decides that current Naruto can suddenly planet bust, then that would have to be the most retarded thing I have ever heard of in my life. If Kishimoto makes some long training arc where Naruto magically learns to planet bust, then chances are the series would be retarded because he would be so much stronger than 90% of the cast, save for Sasuke, final villains, and whoever Kishi decides to buff.

Try 100%

Maybe if he didn't say that Haku was light speed we could take the databooks more seriously. From what we have seen, not Haku, not any top tier character, not even many verses that can blitz Narutoverse, are anywhere NEAR light speed. Dragon Ballverse can roflblitz Narutoverse in every way possible but even then they don't have light speed.

Even if you can prove anything that you said, did you read the data books in English? If so, prove that it wasn't a transltion error.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by coil

It was said in the manga. Kakashi may have not shown that many but do you expect him to throw in every jutsu he knows in the 5-10 fights we have seen him in. He still uses new jutsus in almost every fight. For example, in his fight against Pain he used four jutsu we have never seen.



When Haku was in his jutsu he moved so fast that he was 100% undetectable until he stared to get tired. It appeared that there were several reflections of him in the mirror, even when he was moving from mirror to mirror. He said that everyone moves in slow motion to him. Prove that isn't light speed. The only reason Sasuke started to see his movements was because Haku started running out of chakra.




Yes it would be but it would also be his choice. He never did say that though and i don't thin he ever will.




That is only true if you go by feats alone. I know that is how we debate but the fact that it was said in the manga proves it. Why don't you do the impossible and prove that it was an exageration.


Try 100%

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Even if you can prove anything that you said, did you read the data books in English? If so, prove that it wasn't a transltion error.

Coil no. If he knows 1000 jutsu list them all.

[coil]

Originally Posted by Cursed Uchiha

Coil no. If he knows 1000 jutsu list them all.

If you honestly believe that i can list all of Kakashi's jutsus then you need to reread my post. How can someone use 1000 jutsu when they haven't even been in 10 fights? Don't say it's because he hasn't shown that many either, because this thread is author vs feats. This debate is about weather or not the author could be taken seriously. I believe that if you wont take the authors statments seriously then you might as well argue the accuracy of the manga because it was created the the same guy so everything in it is said by him.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by coil

I never claimed that Sakura is a better genjutsu user. Kishimoto actually said that Kurenai is better in genjutsu but if he decided Sakura was better in genjutsu then that would be his choice.



It was said in the manga. Kakashi may have not shown that many but do you expect him to throw in every jutsu he knows in the 5-10 fights we have seen him in. He still uses new jutsus in almost every fight. For example, in his fight against Pain he used four jutsu we have never seen.



When Haku was in his jutsu he moved so fast that he was 100% undetectable until he stared to get tired. It appeared that there were several reflections of him in the mirror, even when he was moving from mirror to mirror. He said that everyone moves in slow motion to him. Prove that isn't light speed. The only reason Sasuke started to see his movements was because Haku started running out of chakra.




Yes it would be but it would also be his choice. He never did say that though and i don't thin he ever will.




That is only true if you go by feats alone. I know that is how we debate but the fact that it was said in the manga proves it. Why don't you do the impossible and prove that it was an exageration.


Try 100%


Even if you can prove anything that you said, did you read the data books in English? If so, prove that it wasn't a transltion error.

That would be some bad writing to magically make Sakura better at genjutsu without any reasoning to it. It would be a pathetic attempt to try and make Sakura less useless, but it wouldn't go so well.

So in short you can't prove he has 1000 jutsus.

It only showed multiple reflections because the mirrors reflected that way conveniently, it's not because he's light speed. If you say he's light speed, then I'm gonna demand some proof, because Sasuke with Sharingan was able to react to Haku to an extent, and later when Sasuke tried Sharingan on BASE Lee he got roflblitzed. Now tell me, is 5 Gates Lee FTL then? If Sasuke could react to Haku, who you claim is light speed, then Lee should logically be FTL because he is casually faster, no? It's just too bad that Lee has NEVER demonstrated speed bordering light speed or anything near it. Supersonic at best, but not light speed. Now unless you give me some proof I'm gonna say that Haku being light speed is utter garbage.

If he did then people would ridicule Naruto even more than they do now.

How does it being said in the manga prove it? People say all sorts of retarded things in the manga that aren't true. You ask me to disprove it, but the burden of proof is on you to show that Kakashi does have 1000 jutsus. After all, I have no need to disprove something if there's nothing to disprove.

Logically if Naruto becomes a planet buster there HAS to be someone who can match up to an extent, otherwise that's horrible storytelling and Naruto would officially be the worst manga in existence. Why, you ask? Because it's simply illogical for Naruto to train and become a planet buster without anybody in the freaking manga somehow matching that. Do you know how utterly disappointing the final battle would be if Naruto could planet bust and the other guy could only city bust? Think about that for a minute.

How about the fact that people who translate the very manga translate the databooks, so if the databooks had translation errors then the entire manga we've been reading up to this point would be filled with flaws. In short, we would be debating crap made by a bunch of idiots who don't know how to translate manga that probably everybody who cares to keep up with is going to see. Now if you truly think this is the case, feel free to translate the databooks, as well as the entire manga, for us.

[J-Sun Tasogare]

Originally Posted by coil

If you honestly believe that i can list all of Kakashi's jutsus then you need to reread my post. How can someone use 1000 jutsu when they haven't even been in 10 fights? Don't say it's because he hasn't shown that many either, because this thread is author vs feats. This debate is about weather or not the author could be taken seriously. I believe that if you wont take the authors statments seriously then you might as well argue the accuracy of the manga because it was created the the same guy so everything in it is said by him.

If you can't say every single jutsu in his 1000 jutsu, then you have no evidence.

[coil]

That would be some bad writing to magically make Sakura better at genjutsu without any reasoning to it. It would be a pathetic attempt to try and make Sakura less useless, but it wouldn't go so well.

It wouldn't be bad writing if she practiced her genjutsu and became better in it the Kurenai by the end of the series. I don't think so at least.

So in short you can't prove he has 1000 jutsus.

I already gave proof, both Zabuza and Kakashi said he knows over 1000. Your the one saying that it is wrong so why dont you tell me the chapter that stated it was a hyperbole? Both the manga and the author himself said that Kakashi knows over 1000 jutsus, until that is stated otherwise in th manga, it is true.

It only showed multiple reflections because the mirrors reflected that way conveniently, it's not because he's light speed. If you say he's light speed, then I'm gonna demand some proof, because Sasuke with Sharingan was able to react to Haku to an extent, and later when Sasuke tried Sharingan on BASE Lee he got roflblitzed. Now tell me, is 5 Gates Lee FTL then? If Sasuke could react to Haku, who you claim is light speed, then Lee should logically be FTL because he is casually faster, no? It's just too bad that Lee has NEVER demonstrated speed bordering light speed or anything near it. Supersonic at best, but not light speed. Now unless you give me some proof I'm gonna say that Haku being light speed is utter garbage.

Haku's speed cames from use of his kekkei genkai. The longer he uses that jutsu the more chakra is used up. That is why Sasuke was able to react to Haku after so long. If you want proof it says so in the manga. Now Lee isn't faster then Haku when he is at full stamina. Rock Lee's movements were detectable by a blur. Haku's speed was undetecable until he started losing stamina.

If he did then people would ridicule Naruto even more than they do now.

How does it being said in the manga prove it? People say all sorts of retarded things in the manga that aren't true. You ask me to disprove it, but the burden of proof is on you to show that Kakashi does have 1000 jutsus. After all, I have no need to disprove something if there's nothing to disprove.

The fact that it was said prooves it unless it is later revealed as a hyperbole. Oh and about a lot of the things being said in the manga being crap then why don't you proove that to?

Logically if Naruto becomes a planet buster there HAS to be someone who can match up to an extent, otherwise that's horrible storytelling and Naruto would officially be the worst manga in existence. Why, you ask? Because it's simply illogical for Naruto to train and become a planet buster without anybody in the freaking manga somehow matching that. Do you know how utterly disappointing the final battle would be if Naruto could planet bust and the other guy could only city bust? Think about that for a minute.

Again i agree with you. I know that it would be a terrible mistake if Kishimoto made Naruto that powerful but he didn't.

How about the fact that people who translate the very manga translate the databooks, so if the databooks had translation errors then the entire manga we've been reading up to this point would be filled with flaws. In short, we would be debating crap made by a bunch of idiots who don't know how to translate manga that probably everybody who cares to keep up with is going to see. Now if you truly think this is the case, feel free to translate the databooks, as well as the entire manga, for us.

I am not going to translate the books or the manga. I was just giving you something to think about. I wouldn't be suprised if there is the occasional error anyway.

[Miles Edgeworth]

Originally Posted by coil

It wouldn't be bad writing if she practiced her genjutsu and became better in it the Kurenai by the end of the series. I don't think so at least.


I already gave proof, both Zabuza and Kakashi said he knows over 1000. Your the one saying that it is wrong so why dont you tell me the chapter that stated it was a hyperbole? Both the manga and the author himself said that Kakashi knows over 1000 jutsus, until that is stated otherwise in th manga, it is true.

Haku's speed cames from use of his kekkei genkai. The longer he uses that jutsu the more chakra is used up. That is why Sasuke was able to react to Haku after so long. If you want proof it says so in the manga. Now Lee isn't faster then Haku when he is at full stamina. Rock Lee's movements were detectable by a blur. Haku's speed was undetecable until he started losing stamina.


The fact that it was said prooves it unless it is later revealed as a hyperbole. Oh and about a lot of the things being said in the manga being crap then why don't you proove that to?

Again i agree with you. I know that it would be a terrible mistake if Kishimoto made Naruto that powerful but he didn't.


I am not going to translate the books or the manga. I was just giving you something to think about. I wouldn't be suprised if there is the occasional error anyway.

Except it would be bad writing if Kurenai didn't get anymore screen time while Sakura got her own training montage and suddenly became a genjutsu genius. Kurenai got one "fight" in the series and got curbstomped because it was freaking Itachi. If Kurenai got no screen time whatsoever from there and Sakura became a better genjutsu user, I'd say that's pretty bad storytelling. If Kurenai got more screen time and Sakura proved herself as worthy then I would acknowledge it though.

Because character statements are always facts, right? I've gone over this many times, what a character says is NOT necessarily true. A character stating that, contrary to popular belief, is not equivalent to being a manga fact or a statement from the author. People just love to mix up things like that. If Kakashi truly had 1000 jutsu, then at least 900 of them must be some pretty crappy jutsu for him to never bother using them in all the screen time he's shown. If anything, the person who has demonstrated the most jutsu is Jiraiya, far from 1000.

The longer anybody uses jutsu the more chakra is used up, what's your point? Still doesn't prove that Haku at his best is light speed when using that jutsu. A beaten down, exhausted Sasuke who JUST learned Sharingan was keeping up with Haku, and a refreshed Sasuke was getting utterly blitzed by Base Lee, who didn't even bother to try using his full strength.

You say that anything stated is fact then? Okay then, Itachi says that only one with Mangekyo Sharingan could defeat him, I could name at least ten Naruto characters who could take out Itachi. Also, Shikamaru is said to have an IQ of 200, when a lot of his "feats" are things that the average reader could have deduced on their own. Naruto also claims he can make a hundred clones or something in the first chapter, he made 54. Kakashi says that he predicts that Zabuza will die, except if he was really doing any predicting then it was really delayed because Zabuza survived TWICE when Kakashi said so. The list goes on.

There could be an error, but if that was an error that only proves the point that Haku is nowhere near light speed.