Sakura to the next level.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

We're not arguing about this from an outside view, or rather a readers view, we are arguing about this from an inside-the-universe view. This isn't about what should be, but what is, and what it is-is that Tsunade is not as good as people think she is. Sakura should be stronger, but she isn't. So we are talking of ways she can become stronger, since Kishi doesn't give a crap about her.

Tsunade may have been a good match for Kabuto in part 1. Kabuto is in an entirely different league than Tsunade now.

Tsunade was no match for Kabuto in part 1.
Kabuto would have killed her with his
first move he was trying to kill her.
Tsunade survived because Kabuto was trying NOT to kill her.

[Cenzo]

By that logic, Kakashi and Sasuke are weaklings, as Itachi could have killed them easily during parts 1 and 2.

[gama-sennin]

Originally Posted by Cenzo

By that logic, Kakashi and Sasuke are weaklings, as Itachi could have killed them easily during parts 1 and 2.

Compared to Itachi, Yes. Kakahsi should have died the moment Itachi hit him with Tsukuyomi and Sasuke as we know was no match for a weak, careful Itachi.
But now Kakashi has Kamui so he can Kamui Itachi along with susanoo in other dimension.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by gama-sennin

Compared to Itachi, Yes. Kakahsi should have died the moment Itachi hit him with Tsukuyomi and Sasuke as we know was no match for a weak, careful Itachi.
But now Kakashi has Kamui so he can Kamui Itachi along with susanoo in other dimension.

Itachi was stronger than Kakashi and Sasuke we he faced them.

Itachi didn't kill Kakashi with Tsukiyomi because he chose not to.

[Narutorious]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

It's not so much Sakura's level that's a problem...

It's her mindset. This is entirely Tsunade's fault.

Orchimaru trained Sasuke had the mindset to fight

Jirayia trained Naruto had the mindset to fight.

Tsuande trained Sakura had the mindset to be useless.

I'll have to disagree with that, Sakura's mindset is something Tsunade can't help Sakura with, that's something Sakura has to deal with her own, and she will. Naruto & Sasuke both mindset was the way they were before Jiraya & Orochimaru even came in the picture. As we seen in the beginning of part 2, Sakura appeared to have a different mindset, but she revert back to how she was at the end of part 1 recently, your mentality is something that can't be teach.

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

We're not arguing about this from an outside view, or rather a readers view, we are arguing about this from an inside-the-universe view. This isn't about what should be, but what is, and what it is-is that Tsunade is not as good as people think she is. Sakura should be stronger, but she isn't. So we are talking of ways she can become stronger, since Kishi doesn't give a crap about her.

Are you confuse by what I'm saying? I'm not saying at all what should be or what could of been, I'm just saying what it is. The thing is people are blaming Tsunade for Sakura not be stronger than she is but the fact is how strong was Naruto before he learned the Rasenshuriken & how strong was Sasuke before he absorbed Orochimaru? The Rasenshuriken & Sage mode wasn't taught by Jiraya & the MS has nothing to do with Orochimaru.

[Bulldog]

sakura no matter how hard will never be and A list fighter she needs to train kakashi more cause he said she has genjutsu talent.

[Vornmusion]

Originally Posted by Narutorious

I'll have to disagree with that, Sakura's mindset is something Tsunade can't help Sakura with, that's something Sakura has to deal with her own, and she will. Naruto & Sasuke both mindset was the way they were before Jiraya & Orochimaru even came in the picture. As we seen in the beginning of part 2, Sakura appeared to have a different mindset, but she revert back to how she was at the end of part 1 recently, your mentality is something that can't be teach.

And as has been said, is something Kabuto might. What Sakura needs is for someone to show her the simple truth of her weak mind, something no one else has had the spine to do. It's highly unlikely Kabuto would sugar coat the truth with her.

Originally Posted by Narutorious

Are you confuse by what I'm saying? I'm not saying at all what should be or what could of been, I'm just saying what it is. The thing is people are blaming Tsunade for Sakura not be stronger than she is but the fact is how strong was Naruto before he learned the Rasenshuriken & how strong was Sasuke before he absorbed Orochimaru? The Rasenshuriken & Sage mode wasn't taught by Jiraya & the MS has nothing to do with Orochimaru.

Sakura is weak in the mind because the writer doesn't like her, from a readers perspective. Sakura is weak in the mind because her teacher didn't have the spine to show her how weak she really is, from inside the universe perspective.

Naruto would never of been able to learn the Rasen-Shuriken if he hadn't of been taught the first steps by Jiraiya. Naruto would never of been allowed to learn sage mode or probably even know it existed if Jiraiya hadn't of taken him under his wing. By extension, Jiraiya taught him all of that.

Without Orochimarus training and help the Sauce wouldn't of been anywhere near his strength he's at right now, which then means he never would of gained the eye powers he currently has as he would of been defeated by any number of people he's fought.

[Bulldog]

Originally Posted by Vornmusion

And as has been said, is something Kabuto might. What Sakura needs is for someone to show her the simple truth of her weak mind, something no one else has had the spine to do. It's highly unlikely Kabuto would sugar coat the truth with her.




Sakura is weak in the mind because the writer doesn't like her, from a readers perspective. Sakura is weak in the mind because her teacher didn't have the spine to show her how weak she really is, from inside the universe perspective.

Naruto would never of been able to learn the Rasen-Shuriken if he hadn't of been taught the first steps by Jiraiya. Naruto would never of been allowed to learn sage mode or probably even know it existed if Jiraiya hadn't of taken him under his wing. By extension, Jiraiya taught him all of that.

Without Orochimarus training and help the Sauce wouldn't of been anywhere near his strength he's at right now, which then means he never would of gained the eye powers he currently has as he would of been defeated by any number of people he's fought.

kishis sexism something that makes me very mad. Come on she could easly be a strong taijutsu and genjutsu specialist yet he has her just sit and cry all the time.

and what about that really powerful cross right she has?

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Narutorious

I'll have to disagree with that, Sakura's mindset is something Tsunade can't help Sakura with, that's something Sakura has to deal with her own, and she will. Naruto & Sasuke both mindset was the way they were before Jiraya & Orochimaru even came in the picture. As we seen in the beginning of part 2, Sakura appeared to have a different mindset, but she revert back to how she was at the end of part 1 recently, your mentality is something that can't be teach.

Actually your mentality can be taught. Very much so.

[Bulldog]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Actually your mentality can be taught. Very much so.

I grew inconfident but then I got into Boxing and lost 90 pnds and won 2 ammy fights. I am prideful of that.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Bulldog

I grew inconfident but then I got into Boxing and lost 90 pnds and won 2 ammy fights. I am prideful of that.

So was your mentality taught then???

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Yeah. I hate Princess Tsunade. Especially as Hokage.
Princess Tsunade is past her prime so I see no hope for her.

Sakura however is still young and can improve.
But she's not going to learn much from Princess Tsunade.



Good explanation.

It would be. But I think the best part is Kabuto can teach her how to be cold...which is something Sakura could actually use for a battle.
Being a ninja isn't all about puppies, gumdrops, and sunshine, ya know?



Well I suppose she can stay with Tsunade and be a damsel in distress.



Yes she is. Tsunade is a horrible person.

A kunoichi is a female ninja. Mei, the fifth Mizukage is better than Tsunade.
Kabuto, a shinobi and not a kunoichi is definitely better. Strength wise
means very little as she's slow. Tsunade became Hokage because
Jirayia, a better suited candidate would not take the job. Tsunade
should have just died when she went into a coma. But she has
to wake up and has to be a whiny brat at the Kage Meeting.
Tsunade makes the Hokage position look like joke. It's sickening.



Part 1 Kabuto could have killed her. Enough said.

Tsunade is a terrible fighter with a lot of raw power.



Yep she should be a lot better...but she's pathetic and annoying.



Further evidence that Sakura needs a new teacher: Kabuto.



That's why we need Kabuto.

This man speaks the truth!

All shut your yaps and listen! He can save us all.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

This man speaks the truth!

All shut your yaps and listen! He can save us all.

If only Kishimoto would listen

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

If only Kishimoto would listen

Dammit, I don't speak Japanese.

Hold on, I will learn it, travel to Japan, and shout it through a megaphone until Kishimoto listens.

That or complain about it on the forums, whichever is easier.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Dammit, I don't speak Japanese.

Hold on, I will learn it, travel to Japan, and shout it through a megaphone until Kishimoto listens.

That or complain about it on the forums, whichever is easier.

bit approved!

[Bulldog]

kabuto isint a taijutsu specialist so what could he teach sakura?

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Bulldog

kabuto isint a taijutsu specialist so what could he teach sakura?

Lethal medical jutsu, simple genjutsu, the right mentality for fighting, etc.

Sakura was never a Taijutsu specialist either.

Sakura's strength comes in with her chakra control and precision.

Hence why she's such a skilled medic ninja and why Kabuto is a good teacher. Tsunade herself even said that in Part 1 Kabuto had already
surpassed her medical skills when she was in her prime.

[slyfoxx]

Sakara is not that weak, she could probably wipe the floor with neji and the others, shes well rounded,
Shes becoming the best medic around,
Shes has advanced defence (dodging),
Shes has unlimted haymakers (one hit could kill),
Shes just in team seven the most awsome team that could be assembled (Its like being Scottie Pippen, yeah he was a great player but, Jordan was the greatess so he'll never be seen as great as he was because hes in da shadow of the greatess.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by slyfoxx

Sakara is not that weak, she could probably wipe the floor with neji and the others, shes well rounded,
Shes becoming the best medic around,
Shes has advanced defence (dodging),
Shes has unlimted haymakers (one hit could kill),
Shes just in team seven the most awsome team that could be assembled (Its like being Scottie Pippen, yeah he was a great player but, Jordan was the greatess so he'll never be seen as great as he was because hes in da shadow of the greatess.

I seriously doubt she could beat Neji. Not with how she is now.

Perhaps she is. But so far she can't use it as a weapon very well.

Anyone can dodge and she's not even that good at it.

What has she been able to hit though?
A rock and Sasori...when Chiyo was controlling her.

Now if Kabuto trained her or even if Kakashi trained her or both...

She WOULD be one of the best ninja around.

[Bulldog]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Lethal medical jutsu, simple genjutsu, the right mentality for fighting, etc.

Sakura was never a Taijutsu specialist either.

Sakura's strength comes in with her chakra control and precision.

Hence why she's such a skilled medic ninja and why Kabuto is a good teacher. Tsunade herself even said that in Part 1 Kabuto had already
surpassed her medical skills when she was in her prime.

Oh I didint know that lol.

I just dont get how the fifth hokage and one of the legendary sannin cant teach someone fighting mentality.