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Old 07-06-2010, 02:25 PM   #1
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I was re-reading the manga out of boredom when I caught something that I've surely noticed before, but never read much into it.

After the Sand Village rescue, Team Kakashi was short 2 members. Sai took the missing Sasuke's place, at the request of Danzo and the village elders. But they all agreed to let Tsunade pick someone from the Anbu to take Kakashi's place as team leader.

We know that Danzo has deep ties to the Anbu. He is the founder of the foundation, led the faction that opposed the 3rd Hokage, etc. We also know that Yamato was taken directly from his duty as an Anbu to fill the spot.

Tsunade was quite confused about something though, when she chose Yamato. It's like Danzo knew exactly who she wanted to choose, and he was just completely for it. What we didn't know at the time was that Danzo had Shisui's eye, which could be used to manipulate the thoughts and decisions of whomever he chooses.

Could it be possible that Danzo MEANT for Tsunade to pick Yamato? We don't know much about Yamato's history, except for that he was created as a "clone" of the 1st Hokage by Orochimaru, and yet Orochimaru wasn't even aware that he survived. We also know that Danzo and Orochimaru have shared some sort of connection over the years. Both opposed the teachings of Hiruzen, for one.

But being an Anbu member, Danzo and Yamato will have met before his introduction to the series. It's even possible that Yamato could have been under his employ at some point. Now I'm not rushing to say "Yamato's a spy!" Not at all. But we know of Danzo's power to manipulate, and we also know that he wanted to keep a close eye on the Jinchuuriki.

Yamato's been acting strange to me lately. Especially since the passing of Danzo. For one, he let Naruto slip by him with relative ease. I know Naruto's a great ninja, but Yamato is an Elite Jonin with Anbu experience, meaning plenty of tracking. I still find it odd that Naruto got away so easily to rush to where Madara and Sasuke were. I can't find a reason WHY he would want this, though.

And the most important reason is, Kishi sent Yamato with Naruto to train with Killer Bee. This is the oddest thing of all. Naruto does not have the Hokage's necklace anymore, so Yamato's more or less powerless to stop him if the Kyuubi were to take over. So then, why the hell is he there?

We can safely assume that if Orochimaru was trying to recreate the Jutsu of the first, he would have implanted some way of being able to control his creations. If not, he'd just be creating something that would turn out to be a huge problem.

We know that everything Kishimoto does seem to have a reason. But is it at all possible that we still have a double agent in Konoha? And what purpose could he have?
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I would really love if somebody like Yamato, Iruka, or even one of the Elders has been faking there sincerity (like Kabuto) this whole time.

Since we have Kakashi's back story it won't happen to him
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Well, I'd say that Yamato isn't a spy for Danzo and never was. He even questioned himself about Sai's motives during the Sasuke Reunion arc. So maybe in his mind he isn't, but he still might be manipulated by Danzo, and perhaps Yamato doesn't know that himself.


On another side, about why Yamato is with Naruto during his training with Killer Bee. Well, obviously Yamato doesn't know that Naruto no longer has his necklace. I'm not even sure if Naruto himself knows that he no longer has it. He broke it during Kyuubi time, and he can't remember what he did in that period. Perhaps he still doesn't know of the fact that he broke it.


Soon though, when Yamato really needs to stop him from going Kyuubi, he'll realize that it's not working and he'll probably form a pretty good idea that it's not there.
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It's possible. But I think Kakashi would've noticed something was up with him since he knew him well in his ANBU days.

Also, I thought the necklace only amplifies his powers. He still has the ability to suppress the Fox, just not as well.
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Well, I'd say that Yamato isn't a spy for Danzo and never was. He even questioned himself about Sai's motives during the Sasuke Reunion arc. So maybe in his mind he isn't, but he still might be manipulated by Danzo, and perhaps Yamato doesn't know that himself.


On another side, about why Yamato is with Naruto during his training with Killer Bee. Well, obviously Yamato doesn't know that Naruto no longer has his necklace. I'm not even sure if Naruto himself knows that he no longer has it. He broke it during Kyuubi time, and he can't remember what he did in that period. Perhaps he still doesn't know of the fact that he broke it.


Soon though, when Yamato really needs to stop him from going Kyuubi, he'll realize that it's not working and he'll probably form a pretty good idea that it's not there.
I feel like he would know that its broken though. He's been wearing around his neck for at least 3 years, so I cant see Naruto realizing its gone. You might be right about Yamato not realizing its gone though, since I don't really even think Naruto is aware of how important the necklace was. But even so, he was told about it during his Waterfall training with Kakashi and Yamato. He had to be surpressed so many times.


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It's possible. But I think Kakashi would've noticed something was up with him since he knew him well in his ANBU days.

Also, I thought the necklace only amplifies his powers. He still has the ability to suppress the Fox, just not as well.
It took Yamato almost everything just to supress the 4 tails though, and that was with the necklace. When he summoned the spiked wood, part of the Kyuubi was still able to resist for a second, when he attacked Sakura. I just dont see him restraining an 8 tailed, or even 9 tailed transformation without the Necklace.



The seal burned into his hand interests me though. How did that get there exactly?
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Maybe Iruka can't be trusted because of the Nine-Tails incident and his parents dying. Maybe he puts blame on the Fourth and Kushina, and then that blame would fall onto Naruto. He might have just been acting like Naruto's BFF the whole time. But, I doubt it. Naruto and Iruka have been through so much, and the whole "deception" theme is getting pretty old (from my perspective). As far as I know, there shouldn't be any traitors of the Leaf (unless the Leaf starts losing the war and someone decides to switch sides just to keep their life) But, it's just a theory.
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I was re-reading the manga out of boredom when I caught something that I've surely noticed before, but never read much into it.

After the Sand Village rescue, Team Kakashi was short 2 members. Sai took the missing Sasuke's place, at the request of Danzo and the village elders. But they all agreed to let Tsunade pick someone from the Anbu to take Kakashi's place as team leader.

We know that Danzo has deep ties to the Anbu. He is the founder of the foundation, led the faction that opposed the 3rd Hokage, etc. We also know that Yamato was taken directly from his duty as an Anbu to fill the spot.

Tsunade was quite confused about something though, when she chose Yamato. It's like Danzo knew exactly who she wanted to choose, and he was just completely for it. What we didn't know at the time was that Danzo had Shisui's eye, which could be used to manipulate the thoughts and decisions of whomever he chooses.

Could it be possible that Danzo MEANT for Tsunade to pick Yamato? We don't know much about Yamato's history, except for that he was created as a "clone" of the 1st Hokage by Orochimaru, and yet Orochimaru wasn't even aware that he survived. We also know that Danzo and Orochimaru have shared some sort of connection over the years. Both opposed the teachings of Hiruzen, for one.

But being an Anbu member, Danzo and Yamato will have met before his introduction to the series. It's even possible that Yamato could have been under his employ at some point. Now I'm not rushing to say "Yamato's a spy!" Not at all. But we know of Danzo's power to manipulate, and we also know that he wanted to keep a close eye on the Jinchuuriki.

Yamato's been acting strange to me lately. Especially since the passing of Danzo. For one, he let Naruto slip by him with relative ease. I know Naruto's a great ninja, but Yamato is an Elite Jonin with Anbu experience, meaning plenty of tracking. I still find it odd that Naruto got away so easily to rush to where Madara and Sasuke were. I can't find a reason WHY he would want this, though.

And the most important reason is, Kishi sent Yamato with Naruto to train with Killer Bee. This is the oddest thing of all. Naruto does not have the Hokage's necklace anymore, so Yamato's more or less powerless to stop him if the Kyuubi were to take over. So then, why the hell is he there?

We can safely assume that if Orochimaru was trying to recreate the Jutsu of the first, he would have implanted some way of being able to control his creations. If not, he'd just be creating something that would turn out to be a huge problem.

We know that everything Kishimoto does seem to have a reason. But is it at all possible that we still have a double agent in Konoha? And what purpose could he have?
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At this point it be pointless to have Yamato be secretly working for Danzo.
Sai Shaft played the role of Danzo's Double Agent. But then he got all emotional.
I hate to say it but Yamato's role was simply being Kakashi's temporary replacement.
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And the most important reason is, Kishi sent Yamato with Naruto to train with Killer Bee. This is the oddest thing of all. Naruto does not have the Hokage's necklace anymore, so Yamato's more or less powerless to stop him if the Kyuubi were to take over. So then, why the hell is he there?
Even though he doesn't have it any more doesn't mean Yamato is useless. Basically it was a tool that helped Yamato, now that Naruto doesn't have it just means Yamato will have a little more tough time.

When I 1st saw this I instantly though "Oh no you think Yamato is Madara and Danzou is really the main villain that is still alive"
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But didn't Yamato interfere with Sai's "top secret" mission? Besides I don't think he is playing a double agent thing. (Unless he doesn't realize it himself. And then again, who's pulling the strings now Danzo is gone? Elders?)
The necklace only acted as an amplifier. Even without it he has the ability to suppress Kyubi up to a certain extent. (Although now it's hopelessly low) But in any case, he fit into the job. -Konoha can't spare someone like Kakshi. And who else is there?
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I think this was all true, but then Danzo died, and I think I remember Yamato and a couple others stating that they were free let me double check.
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When I first saw this thread, I admit that I was just going to skim the OP and just post that Yamato can't be a spy because he is awesome.

But, after I saw who made the thread, I stopped to actually read to all because I knew there would be a lot of thought and reasoning behind what was posted.

I got to say, that is an interesting theory. But I just don't see Yamato all of sudden end up being a spy. I thought that since Danzo died, any kind of mind control he had over Yamato would end. Danzo's tongue control jutsu whatever it was went away after his death. It seems to me that Root is basically dead.
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If yamato is a planted spy for Danzo, then he really did the opposite of what he wanted. When naruto went 6t, he rushed to the village to prevent further tails in contrast to Danzo wanting the village destroyed to be hokage. Also, yamato was one the ANBU in file Danzo gave to Oro to be assassinated. Man if that were true, Danzo's health plan leaves a LOT to be desired!!!(though his "retirement" plan is sound)
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Yamato being a spy for Danzo would almost be like Iruka being a spy for the Akatsuki.

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It took Yamato almost everything just to supress the 4 tails though, and that was with the necklace. When he summoned the spiked wood, part of the Kyuubi was still able to resist for a second, when he attacked Sakura. I just dont see him restraining an 8 tailed, or even 9 tailed transformation without the Necklace.



The seal burned into his hand interests me though. How did that get there exactly?
Yeah, his suppression skills would probably be very ineffective, but it would still be good to have him around.. even if it's just for the placebo effect I'm thinking there's some other purpose for Yamato being there -- but not because he's a spy. Maybe he'll be a victim of Kisame or something, I'm not sure. I suspect Kishi's planning something.

That seal on his hand really confused me too. I don't remember it ever being explained. It said that his skills can be used on any tailed beast but he seems auto-specialized for Kyuubi.
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I will worship Danzo as a god if this is true.

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Pretty good theory, just one problem with part of it. Naruto already has full-control of the Nine-Tails. Other them that part though, your theory would make sense for the next betrayal.
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Default Re: Can Yamato really be trusted? Danzo's last laugh.

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I will worship Danzo as a god if this is true.

Wait, I already do that.

Thus the reason for it's falsity. Danzo's plan was a success:

Wooster worships whom? DA DANZO!
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Thus the reason for it's falsity. Danzo's plan was a success:

Wooster worships who? DA DANZO!
Whom, whom. Dammit!
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