My take on the existance of God; God = Universe

[Vornmusion]

Interesting theory you have there Rasen.

[Rasengan-]

Time itself is just a unit of measure, created by people. Time would not exist if we did not discover the need to measure factors of life itself.

Our thinking can only extend so far to unravel the mysteries of life and its meaning.

Time itself cannot form the universe, over time the universe can be formed.

However, Throw Rasen-Shuriken will then have argued well against deidara330 about the universe being god or = to god. If god itself is the universe then why need time. But in fact over time the universe is formed.

This will then reinforce vornmusion argument that "the creation of existence cannot be answered with the current human limitations of the mind". which will mean that time itself is not god, because time is established as a unit of measure of the universe. Time was created to move forward and not constant, time classification is constant.

All words and meaning in attempt to define god is useless unless we discover what is beyond the universe.

[Err]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

Time itself is just a unit of measure, created by people. Time would not exist if we did not discover the need to measure factors of life itself.

Our thinking can only extend so far to unravel the mysteries of life and its meaning.

Time itself cannot form the universe, over time the universe can be formed.

However, Throw Rasen-Shuriken will then have argued well against deidara330 about the universe being god or = to god. If god itself is the universe then why need time. But in fact over time the universe is formed.

This will then reinforce vornmusion argument that "the creation of existence cannot be answered with the current human limitations of the mind". which will mean that time itself is not god, because time is established as a unit of measure of the universe. Time was created to move forward and not constant, time classification is constant.

All words and meaning in attempt to define god is useless unless we discover what is beyond the universe.

It's been proven that time is part of the universe. Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

[Gamabunta]

I don't agree with this. But the universe is something pantheists and atheists (without realizing it) worship.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Err

It's been proven that time is part of the universe. Check it out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

Lol......proven with a wikipedia source? I don't think we are allowed to cal wikipedia a source.

[Err]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

Lol......proven with a wikipedia source? I don't think we are allowed to cal wikipedia a source.

You don't have to take my link for it. Do a search.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Err

You don't have to take my link for it. Do a search.

Because there is no link that can prove it is true -.-

[Err]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

Because there is no link that can prove it is true -.-

Then say that instead of only dismissing my first source. It saves people the trouble of proving anything to you at that point.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Err

Then say that instead of only dismissing my first source. It saves people the trouble of proving anything to you at that point.

Because I didn't think people used wikipedia as a source.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Bacon

The wording you used siad that no source could prove anything, not just Wikipedia.

No i said there is no link to prove anything. and yes not just wikipedia.

link = web link.

[Err]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

No i said there is no link to prove anything. and yes not just wikipedia.

link = web link.

And links are connected to sources. Your point?

[Bacon]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

Because there is no link that can prove it is true -.-

*deletes previous post
You just said that there is no link that can prove anything. If you are referring to a specific link, then stop being sloppy and type out your arguement completely.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Bacon

*deletes previous post
You just said that there is no link that can prove anything. If you are referring to a specific link, then stop being sloppy and type out your arguement completely.

...i already said it clear...

"Because there is no link that can prove it is true" that means im referring to all links.

^ There is no link to prove that the universe is god.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Err

And links are connected to sources. Your point?

And they are all jiberish. About god being the universe.

[Err]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

...i already said it clear...

"Because there is no link that can prove it is true" that means im referring to all links.

^ There is no link to prove that the universe is god.

If you would of been paying attention you would of noticed that I said that time is part of the universe. I'm against the argument that God is the universe. I wasn't proving OP's point, I was proving mine.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Err

If you would of been paying attention you would of noticed that I said that time is part of the universe. I'm against the argument that God is the universe. I wasn't proving OP's point, I was proving mine.

Then why did you quote my comment? I never mentioned that time is not part of the universe. I said time is not the univserse or god.

[Err]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

Then why did you quote my comment? I never mentioned that time is not part of the universe. I said time is not the univserse or god.

Below is what you said. I was replying to that part of your comment. By saying this, you were implying that time is not part of the universe.

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

Time itself is just a unit of measure, created by people. Time would not exist if we did not discover the need to measure factors of life itself.

[ItachiAnbu]

Originally Posted by Gamabunta

I don't agree with this. But the universe is something pantheists and atheists (without realizing it) worship.

I disagree. I would agree if you said "But the universe is something that SOME pantheists and atheists (without realizing it) worship", but, as an atheist, I do not believe that I worship the universe as a whole. At the most, I have admiration (and perhaps love, if you would like to equate that to worship) for pieces of the universe.

Of course, you could just say; "You just don't realize that you worship the universe", so perhaps that's as far as this disagreement will go. How can we know for sure what's the truth and what isn't, given the possibility that what we base our conclusions on is wrong?

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Err

Below is what you said. I was replying to that part of your comment. By saying this, you were implying that time is not part of the universe.

"Time itself is just a unit of measure, created by people. Time would not exist if we did not discover the need to measure factors of life itself."

......You have interpreted it wrong, Time was created as a unit of measured, That unit of measure, measured time of the universe, light years..etc. Time would not have existed if we didn't discover time on earth. Time has been incorporated into the universe.

I said this as a comment against someone saying that time is god or time is the universe. rather i said time is not god or the universe. Part of the universe is different from saying time is god or time *IS* the universe.

But again, i read my quote many times now,

"Time itself is just a unit of measure, created by people. Time would not exist if we did not discover the need to measure factors of life itself."

and i still don't know where you got that impression that I said time is not part of the universe, other than me saying time has been created to measure, thus being created has now become part of the universe and it's progression of creation and evolutionary trend. (You get this entir impression from my first post, the long one).

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

religion and science are like opposite concepts.....but i do believe there is a god...there are different gods that different people believe....
but i kinda dont think that god created this universe, although there are some unnatural phenomena...like miracles and such....such a difficult subject