Safety vs Liberty

mrsticky005 · 07-08-2010, 01:07 PM

Which is more important.

Debate.

Bacon · 07-08-2010, 01:19 PM

I say illusionary safety is more important than liberty. Heck, I like having a piece of paper saying that I have the right to secure my house, rather than giving someone the liberty to invade my sanctum. xD

Rasengan- · 07-09-2010, 12:06 AM

irony? i mean..liberty in iteself can achieve safety.

Bacon · 07-09-2010, 12:29 AM

I don't see how giving someone more Liberty will result in safety.

Rasengan- · 07-09-2010, 12:33 AM

freedom?

Bacon · 07-09-2010, 12:42 AM

Even Liberties are subject to the phrase, "too much". If you give people total freedom, you are giving people free reign to do as they please.Thus, you are endangering the individual and everyone around them.

Rasengan- · 07-09-2010, 12:55 AM

Lol..if you are going to put it that way..

you do make an interesting argument. But safety will have it's limits aswell. One's safety will at 100% bear the cost of another's safety.

Further, you are thinking liberty in a subjective view. Liberty could mean the political formation for a society..regulating the freedom that one may have. To ensure one's safety does not result in the cost of another.

Liberty allows the distribution of safety in which a society enacts. Safety is just a singlar objective.

Bacon · 07-09-2010, 01:38 AM

So then, how much safety do you think is needed? How many specific liberties does one need to be safe?I know that you're referring to social liberties now,but those are half ass at best. Everything written is subject to interpretation; which means things need to be as specific as possible. If you give several liberties in the form of one written liberty.(Ex:the 10 th amendment)The power of interpretation can allow the governing power to manipulate it's meaning.

So in essence, you are saying that more of these social liberties will result in more individual safety. Yet, more liberties = more interpretation; which can end badly. So I am advocating essential freedoms over an increasing ammount.

Rasengan- · 07-09-2010, 02:17 AM

lol. liberty is the only term between the both that can be interpreted.

How you do suggest we define safety? we cannot interpret safety in a overt manner that can be applied to society. Therefore liberty comes first..referring to my comment earlier about irony.

Liberty as you said is interpreted. How can we achieve safety without intrepretation?

and you said "So I am advocating essential freedoms over an increasing ammount".

safety is not freedom...freedom is liberty in many sense. How can we have safety? if safety is the problem. one's safety is needed at the cost of another's safety.

Bacon · 07-09-2010, 04:16 PM

You are not grasping the concept of freedoms and the shackles of society. It was very apparent to the founding fathers that freedom cannot exist with restraint. You are saying that one's safety comes at the cost of anothers? Yes, and my survival comes at the cost of anothers;get over it.
You are narrow minded if you think more freedom will lead to a better world.

Miss Bella Rose · 07-09-2010, 04:21 PM

They are both equally important as far as i'm concearned ... theres no safety without liberty and vice versa.

Kunoichi · 07-09-2010, 06:17 PM

I think you should have freedom until the point where it can physically harm others or their property. You should be able to say anything and everything that's on your mind, irregardless of how others feel about it, but you shouldn't be able to physically hurt another person or the property of another.

Atleast that's my take on it.

Rasengan- · 07-10-2010, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bacon

You are not grasping the concept of freedoms and the shackles of society. It was very apparent to the founding fathers that freedom cannot exist with restraint. You are saying that one's safety comes at the cost of anothers? Yes, and my survival comes at the cost of anothers;get over it.
You are narrow minded if you think more freedom will lead to a better world.

lol what are you on about???

"You are narrow minded if you think more freedom will lead to a better world"

Did i say this? i dont remember. I think you are going off topic.

Safety and liberty are two very different concepts. Im cerntainly coming from the point that they are separate from each other and therefore safety vs liberty is not a good topic.

gama-sennin · 07-10-2010, 02:28 AM

If I get the liberty to use guns, then it will definitely increase my feeling of safety. So I guess both the are equally important and feed on each other.

Bacon · 07-11-2010, 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Rasengan-

lol what are you on about???

"You are narrow minded if you think more freedom will lead to a better world"

Did i say this? i dont remember. I think you are going off topic.

Safety and liberty are two very different concepts. Im cerntainly coming from the point that they are separate from each other and therefore safety vs liberty is not a good topic.

I don't need you to explicitly use those words to know you are implying this. Weren't you the one who said more liberty leads to more safety? If I am not correct, society's well being would imply you meaning this.

Bacon · 07-12-2010, 11:20 PM

I don't understand a word you said. It just looks like a jumble of words.

ItachiAnbu · 07-13-2010, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bacon

I don't understand a word you said. It just looks like a jumble of words.

A certain lack of punctuation and grammar skills does that, yes.

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Bacon Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Walkin' through the candy-lane with Tifa.~ -.- Posts: 29,641 Rep Power: 27 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Safety vs Liberty I say illusionary safety is more important than liberty. Heck, I like having a piece of paper saying that I have the right to secure my house, rather than giving someone the liberty to invade my sanctum. xD __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-09-2010, 12:06 AM	#3
Rasengan- Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 736 Rep Power: 7	Re: Safety vs Liberty irony? i mean..liberty in iteself can achieve safety.

07-09-2010, 12:29 AM	#4
Bacon Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Walkin' through the candy-lane with Tifa.~ -.- Posts: 29,641 Rep Power: 27 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Safety vs Liberty I don't see how giving someone more Liberty will result in safety. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-09-2010, 12:33 AM	#5
Rasengan- Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 736 Rep Power: 7	Re: Safety vs Liberty freedom?

07-09-2010, 12:42 AM	#6
Bacon Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Walkin' through the candy-lane with Tifa.~ -.- Posts: 29,641 Rep Power: 27 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Safety vs Liberty Even Liberties are subject to the phrase, "too much". If you give people total freedom, you are giving people free reign to do as they please.Thus, you are endangering the individual and everyone around them. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-09-2010, 12:55 AM	#7
Rasengan- Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 736 Rep Power: 7	Re: Safety vs Liberty Lol..if you are going to put it that way.. you do make an interesting argument. But safety will have it's limits aswell. One's safety will at 100% bear the cost of another's safety. Further, you are thinking liberty in a subjective view. Liberty could mean the political formation for a society..regulating the freedom that one may have. To ensure one's safety does not result in the cost of another. Liberty allows the distribution of safety in which a society enacts. Safety is just a singlar objective.

07-09-2010, 01:38 AM	#8
Bacon Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Walkin' through the candy-lane with Tifa.~ -.- Posts: 29,641 Rep Power: 27 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Safety vs Liberty So then, how much safety do you think is needed? How many specific liberties does one need to be safe?I know that you're referring to social liberties now,but those are half ass at best. Everything written is subject to interpretation; which means things need to be as specific as possible. If you give several liberties in the form of one written liberty.(Ex:the 10 th amendment)The power of interpretation can allow the governing power to manipulate it's meaning. So in essence, you are saying that more of these social liberties will result in more individual safety. Yet, more liberties = more interpretation; which can end badly. So I am advocating essential freedoms over an increasing ammount. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-09-2010, 02:17 AM	#9
Rasengan- Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 736 Rep Power: 7	Re: Safety vs Liberty lol. liberty is the only term between the both that can be interpreted. How you do suggest we define safety? we cannot interpret safety in a overt manner that can be applied to society. Therefore liberty comes first..referring to my comment earlier about irony. Liberty as you said is interpreted. How can we achieve safety without intrepretation? and you said "So I am advocating essential freedoms over an increasing ammount". safety is not freedom...freedom is liberty in many sense. How can we have safety? if safety is the problem. one's safety is needed at the cost of another's safety.

07-09-2010, 04:16 PM	#10
Bacon Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Walkin' through the candy-lane with Tifa.~ -.- Posts: 29,641 Rep Power: 27 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Safety vs Liberty You are not grasping the concept of freedoms and the shackles of society. It was very apparent to the founding fathers that freedom cannot exist with restraint. You are saying that one's safety comes at the cost of anothers? Yes, and my survival comes at the cost of anothers;get over it. You are narrow minded if you think more freedom will lead to a better world. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-09-2010, 04:21 PM	#11
Miss Bella Rose Chunin Exam Proctor Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Why so.... curious??? Posts: 1,602 Rep Power: 8	Re: Safety vs Liberty They are both equally important as far as i'm concearned ... theres no safety without liberty and vice versa. __________________ *''A true friend is the greatest of all blessings, and that which we take the least care of all to acquire.''* It@chi The Prince of Sharingan

07-09-2010, 06:17 PM	#12
Kunoichi Easily Bribed Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Forward-Down-Forward-Y Posts: 11,681 Rep Power: 17	Re: Safety vs Liberty I think you should have freedom until the point where it can physically harm others or their property. You should be able to say anything and everything that's on your mind, irregardless of how others feel about it, but you shouldn't be able to physically hurt another person or the property of another. Atleast that's my take on it.

07-12-2010, 11:20 PM	#16
Bacon Special Jonin Candidate Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Walkin' through the candy-lane with Tifa.~ -.- Posts: 29,641 Rep Power: 27 Member's Picture Albums	Re: Safety vs Liberty I don't understand a word you said. It just looks like a jumble of words. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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