Neji vs Lee

[trackstar]

Neji, shikamaru basically have nothing on Naruto now.

Sasuke, Kakashi, Itachi those are people that could put up a fight and win.

Shikamaru and Sasuke aren't Jonins

Naruto also has shown that he is cunning as well.

[The Demon Zabuza]

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

You react like that because you think of Naruto's battles, and the amount of chakra he uses in them. (Aka..ctastrophic explosions etc..) But, if Naruto dies, the Nine Tailed Fox fades as well. In other words, someone Jonin with cunning, (Sasuke, Kakashi, Neji, Itachi, Shikarmaru..basically all the Geniuses) would end the battle quickly if Naruto wasn't careful. It's only fair to admit.

How would any of them kill Naruto? As soon as he nears death, the Kyuubi is released, and none of the Jonin (Besides KB) can deal with that. Naruto cannot be beaten by the majority of ninja.

Take shikamaru as an example. A wonderful planner, and, with preparation time, a good fighter. But, he's only just as fast as Hidan, the slowest Akatsuki, while Naruto kept up with Pain, the fastest Akatsuki. Shika's only attacks are with shadow sewing, paperbombs and shadow control, and tayuya proved anyone with enough willpower and chakra can resist shadow control, shadow sewing is much slower than naruto and paperbombs can't kill him.

[Vivi]

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

You react like that because you think of Naruto's battles, and the amount of chakra he uses in them. (Aka..ctastrophic explosions etc..) But, if Naruto dies, the Nine Tailed Fox fades as well. In other words, someone Jonin with cunning, (Sasuke, Kakashi, Neji, Itachi, Shikarmaru..basically all the Geniuses) would end the battle quickly if Naruto wasn't careful. It's only fair to admit.

I just like to point some things out about the Jonin's:
There are only 38 known Jonin's and only 7 have at least some Feats while the other's are fodder and one is hype.
Darui.
Kakashi.
Guy.
Neji.
Temari.
Kankuro.
Asuma.

Fodder include's the likes of C or Kurenai.
Hype being Yugito but yeah...trashed by Hidan and kakuzu.

Shikamaru is a Chuunin and Itachi never made it to Jonin.
There no entries of him being a Jonin IIRC only that he passed the Chuunin exams at 10.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by trackstar

Neji, shikamaru basically have nothing on Naruto now.

Sasuke, Kakashi, Itachi those are people that could put up a fight and win.

Shikamaru and Sasuke aren't Jonins

Naruto also has shown that he is cunning as well.

Neji is the strongest of the Hyuga Clan-one of the most powerful clans in the Hidden Leaf Village- and Shilkamaru is the smartest person in the entire anime. That was such a false statement.

No, actually. (read above sentence)

I meant Jonin level or up. Sorry for being unclear.

Yeah, but that's nothing compared to what the characters that were listed have shown.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by V-Valentine

I just like to point some things out about the Jonin's:
There are only 38 known Jonin's and only 7 have at least some Feats while the other's are fodder and one is hype.
Darui.
Kakashi.
Guy.
Neji.
Temari.
Kankuro.
Asuma.

Fodder include's the likes of C or Kurenai.
Hype being Yugito but yeah...trashed by Hidan and kakuzu.

Shikamaru is a Chuunin and Itachi never made it to Jonin.
There no entries of him being a Jonin IIRC only that he passed the Chuunin exams at 10.

I meant Jonin level or up. Itachi was Anbu: Black Ops, which is above Jonin. Shikarmaru, although.. He should be a Jonin. I don't see why he's not.. but you're right.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by The Demon Zabuza

How would any of them kill Naruto? As soon as he nears death, the Kyuubi is released, and none of the Jonin (Besides KB) can deal with that. Naruto cannot be beaten by the majority of ninja.

Take shikamaru as an example. A wonderful planner, and, with preparation time, a good fighter. But, he's only just as fast as Hidan, the slowest Akatsuki, while Naruto kept up with Pain, the fastest Akatsuki. Shika's only attacks are with shadow sewing, paperbombs and shadow control, and tayuya proved anyone with enough willpower and chakra can resist shadow control, shadow sewing is much slower than naruto and paperbombs can't kill him.

It was stated by the Kyubi himself that if Naruto(his vessel) dies, then he'd fade instantly with the seal. Also, if Naruto's hit in a way that guarantees instant death, like getting his throat slash or getting stabbed through the brain, obviously..he'd die. (And also this is a side note: Neji wouldn't have to kill him. He could knock him unconscious by lightly tapping him on the forehead. It was shown once.)

[Nagato>Naruto]

But this is not a "Naruto Vs Neji Post." Let's stick to the topic.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

It was stated by the Kyubi himself that if Naruto(his vessel) dies, then he'd fade instantly with the seal. Also, if Naruto's hit in a way that guarantees instant death, like getting his throat slash or getting stabbed through the brain, obviously..he'd die. (And also this is a side note: Neji wouldn't have to kill him. He could knock him unconscious by lightly tapping him on the forehead. It was shown once.)

When was that?

Chapter and page please.

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

I meant Jonin level or up. Itachi was Anbu: Black Ops, which is above Jonin. Shikarmaru, although.. He should be a Jonin. I don't see why he's not.. but you're right.

I believe Shikamaru could become a Jonin, but he doesn't want to because he's afraid of the increasing work if he does become one. Either way, he doesn't possess the power to beat even Base Naruto.

ANBU are reduced to Fodder, none of them have feats excluding the four during Pain's Invasion, Kakashi, and Itachi. Root only has four people who have feats. Also, ANBU, I believe, is a rank between Chunin and Jonin.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

When was that?

Chapter and page please.


I believe Shikamaru could become a Jonin, but he doesn't want to because he's afraid of the increasing work if he does become one. Either way, he doesn't possess the power to beat even Base Naruto.

ANBU are reduced to Fodder, none of them have feats excluding the four during Pain's Invasion, Kakashi, and Itachi. Root only has four people who have feats. Also, ANBU, I believe, is a rank between Chunin and Jonin.

Oh, boy.. I'm not sure. But Naruto was asking for the Kyubi's chakra, so it must be relatively early in the shippuden, or late in part 1. I'm not going to search the entire series at the moment.

I'm not sure. I'm hardly concerned with the ranks. I focus on capabilities of characters.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

Oh, boy.. I'm not sure. But Naruto was asking for the Kyubi's chakra, so it must be relatively early in the shippuden, or late in part 1. I'm not going to search the entire series at the moment.

Was if before or after Chunin Exams?

If I don't see it, I don't believe it.

I'm not sure. I'm hardly concerned with the ranks. I focus on capabilities of characters.

It was somewhere in the Ninja Data or Fan Books books.

If you're focusing on the capabilities, then no ANBU can currently beat SM Naruto except possibly Itachi.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

Was if before or after Chunin Exams?

If I don't see it, I don't believe it.

Then look for it. I assure you, it's there. I saw it. But you can't say I'm wrong until you look yourself and find proof. (Because quite honestly, I'm too lazy at the moment to look through the entire series.)

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

Then look for it. I assure you, it's there. I saw it. But you can't say I'm wrong until you look yourself and find proof. (Because quite honestly, I'm too lazy at the moment to look through the entire series.)

You said it, you do it.

To be honest, I'm lazy as well.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

Was if before or after Chunin Exams?

If I don't see it, I don't believe it.



It was somewhere in the Ninja Data or Fan Books books.

If you're focusing on the capabilities, then no ANBU can currently beat SM Naruto.

Ah, well Neji is a Jonin. Thank you for helping my cause.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

Ah, well Neji is a Jonin. Thank you for helping my cause.

Read my post again, you misunderstood.

I said NO ANBU except possibly Itachi can defeat SM Naruto, that doesn't automatically mean that a Fodder Jonin can.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

You said it, you do it.

To be honest, I'm lazy as well.

Fair enough. But, I literally just recalled a very important fact. It was stated by Grandma Chiyo that once a Jinkurichi dies, its Biju is sealed away. (That was in shippuden, in the rescue Gaara Arc)

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

Read my post again, you misunderstood.

I said NO ANBU except possibly Itachi can defeat SM Naruto, that doesn't automatically mean that a Fodder Jonin can.

Neji's the most powerful of his clan-one of the most powerful clans in the Leaf Village- so that's obviously not a term to describe Neji.

Yes. Neji isn't in Anbu, so therefore that doesn't apply to Neji. Be more specific next time.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

Fair enough. But, I literally just recalled a very important fact. It was stated by Grandma Chiyo that once a Jinkurichi dies, its Biju is sealed away. (That was in shippuden, in the rescue Gaara Arc)

Not true in every scenario.

She was talking about Akatsuki, and also, it's opposite. For the ritual to be performed with success, the Jinchuuriki must be alive; if he/she dies, then the Bijuu, sealed inside he/she, will die as well. After the Bijuu leaves the host completely and is sealed into the Akatsuki Statue, the Jinchuuriki will die in most cases.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

Not true in every scenario.

She was talking about Akatsuki, and also, it's opposite. For the ritual to be performed with success, the Jinchuuriki must be alive; if he/she dies, then the Bijuu, sealed inside he/she, will die as well. After the Bijuu leaves the host completely and is sealed into the Akatsuki Statue, the Jinchuuriki will die in most cases.

She said that in villages, the Jinkurichi who died, had their Biju sealed away within the seals as well.

[Vatanui AKA Pride]

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

Neji's the most powerful of his clan-one of the most powerful clans in the Leaf Village- so that's obviously not a term to describe Neji.

Yes. Neji isn't in Anbu, so therefore that doesn't apply to Neji. Be more specific next time.

By hype, Hinata's father is stronger.

*Facepalm* You were talking about ANBU members beating him, I countered.

Originally Posted by Nagato>Naruto

She said that in villages, the Jinkurichi who died, had their Biju sealed away within the seals as well.

I do not recall of her speaking about a Jinchuuriki of the Sand dying. She talked about sealing and then resealing the Shukaku to a vary of new hosts though.

[Nagato>Naruto]

Originally Posted by Vatanui AKA Pride

By hype, Hinata's father is stronger.

*Facepalm* You were talking about ANBU members beating him, I countered.


I do not recall of her speaking about a Jinchuuriki of the Sand dying. She talked about sealing and then resealing the Shukaku to a vary of new hosts though.

A quote by Hiashi,"Neji possess the thickest Hyuga blood."
"Neji, my son, the Hyuga blood flows stronger in you than in any other member of the clan."
Third Hokage,"Now I see why he's called the most gifted child to emerge from the Hyuga Clan."
Kakashi,"What's with this kid?"
By fact, Neji is the strongest Hyuga.

You countered, but then I used your fact against you. (So my point couldn't be denied.)

From when they died.