Devil's Advocate: Zetsu is Akatsuki Leader

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Bratcipheo

QQ .;D, you could become a believer?Well then fast, while the iron is hot, read my arguments why obito is tobi, and why obito SHOULD be tobi.

http://naruto.viz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=333&page=6

Eh..Kishimoto has killed all my reason for wanted things after he killed Danzo. That was such a waste. I just think Kakashi is meant to fight and die against Sasuke. Kishimoto likes his student versus sensei battles. Too much Star Wars I guess.

I will no longer rage if Obito is Tobi. I will treat it the same as Itachi Twist with snark and sarcasm. Mmmm....now in two great flavors: evil and good.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Of course you don't agree on the ghost thing. No one does. Mrsticky solved the problem with Kisame. Essentially in your favor. I must withdraw that argument. If anything Madara attacked the Ninetails and Kisame met Obito. If that's the assumption you want.

I think the mask only has to do with his eye. We kind of have seen alot of Tobi's face given all the angles. He looks like an older man. The only thing we haven't see is his eye. Obviously something is going on there. I don't know why it's hidden Tobi has a lot of sharingan. Even if he is Obito why not replace that eye?

But as I said, mrsticky blew up my theory, so I cannot without a doubt say Obito is not Tobi.

Hmm I don't think what I wrote makes Tobi=Obito any more likely.

Observe.

Zabuza Graduated 5 years before Nine Tails attacked.
Zabuza Graduated during the Bloody Mist.
Haku was born 3 year before Nine Tails attacked.

Kakashi Gaiden happened 1 year before Nine Tails attacked.

Zabuza tells Haku that he has to leave the Hidden Mist which
strongly suggests that the Bloody Mist era is still going on.
If this happened before Kakashi Gaiden then Haku would have
been two years old when he met Zabuza. But if you look
at Haku he is clearly older than 2.

I say Haku was likely 7 years old. Which would put Zabuza and Haku's
meeting just two years before the Uchiha Massacre.

Madara's reign as Mizukage likely ended with Uchiha Massacre.


Let's pretend that Tobi is Obito. Tobi was the Mizukage according to Kisame and he was also Madara. So Obito would have to be acting
as both Madara and as Mizukage. Madara was most likely Mizukage
during the Bloody Mist Era. Zabuza graduated 5 years before
Nine Tails attacked. Obito would of been only 9 years old
if he was acting as Mizukage then. This is absurd.

Why? Because to be a 9 year old Mizukage he would to be both
powerful and clever. And if he was that powerful and clever
why does he let a boulder fall on himself?

[Wooster]

I didn't say likely, just not impossible. Besides if Kisame is that young, the multiple Tobi theory comes into play. Madara could have been behind the scenes until the nine tails attack. At some point Kisame sees "Madara," but if he is young, he probably wouldn't meet "Madara" until he is older. Thus, he could have only met Obito.

Again not likely but possible. And with no plot holes! Oh wait, Minato can't notice that Tobi is two different people. Hey, it's hard to see in Naruto's mind.

I mean really think about that: Minato was living in Naruto's mind! That's horse manure. That really is worse than Obito being Tobi.

Hey, look we switched sides. I guess we didn't consider doing that.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

I didn't say likely, just not impossible. Besides if Kisame is that young, the multiple Tobi theory comes into play. Madara could have been behind the scenes until the nine tails attack. At some point Kisame sees "Madara," but if he is young, he probably wouldn't meet "Madara" until he is older. Thus, he could have only met Obito.

Again not likely but possible. And with no plot holes! Oh wait, Minato can notice that Tobi is two different people. Hey, it's hard to see in Naruto's mind.

I mean really think about that: Minato was living in Naruto's mind! That's horse manure. That really is worse than Obito being Tobi.

Hey, look we switched sides. I guess we didn't consider doing that.

We need more specifics about this. Then we will able to nail this case.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

We need more specifics about this. Then we will able to nail this case.

I think it's impossible. I didn't realize that Kisame was so young. If you go with two Tobi's pretty much anything is possible. My whole case rested on the fact that Kisame knew Madara, but if he was only involved after the Nine Tails attack, certainty is screwed.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

I think it's impossible. I didn't realize that Kisame was so young. If you go with two Tobi's pretty much anything is possible. My whole case rested on the fact that Kisame knew Madara, but if he was only involved after the Nine Tails attack, certainty is screwed.

Don't worry. I'll be able to solve this case eventually.
I'll prove someday that Tobi is Madara and cannot be Obito.

Someday!!!!

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Don't worry. I'll be able to solve this case eventually.
I'll prove someday that Tobi is Madara and cannot be Obito.

Someday!!!!

Actually before do that. Prove that Danzo and Naruto will have a battle of worlds colliding that will end all battles. If you can do that, I will believe anything you say.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Actually before do that. Prove that Danzo and Naruto will have a battle of worlds colliding that will end all battles. If you can do that, I will believe anything you say.

Do I LOOK like a miracle worker to you?