God doesn't exist... agree or disagree?

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Axel

I'm not sticking to the debate? This is whether or not god exists not are babies atheist or whether who's wrong or right.

And what makes you think I'm american? I've stated no such thing. Now your the one generalizing.

And when I say you can't spell, I mean, missing letters, etc.

You are talking about my spelling. This has nothing to do with the debate 'we are having'.

I never said you were American. I implied that you were through your use of American spelling.

A few missing letters means you disregard and claim false in my argument?

[Axel]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

You are talking about my spelling. This has nothing to do with the debate 'we are having'.

I never said you were American. I implied that you were through your use of American spelling.

A few missing letters means you disregard and claim false in my argument?

You started taking us off this debate. Not me. By arguing the point about whether babies are athiest or not.

I spell/speak with perfect spelling and pronunciation. Doesn't matter what country I'm from.

Lastly: "A few missing letters means you disregard and claim false in my argument?" Yep.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Axel

You started taking us off this debate. Not me. By arguing the point about whether babies are athiest or not.

I spell/speak with perfect spelling and pronunciation. Doesn't matter what country I'm from.

Lastly: "A few missing letters means you disregard and claim false in my argument?" Yep.

No, your chose to enter the debate. I didn't start taking us off this debate, if you really have read everything you would know. But you didn't so I'm going to assume your just stating your opinion.

I am arguing against the claim that babies are atheist. It doesn't make sense if I would bring it up and state that all babies are athiest.

You may have "perfect spelling and pronunciation" but you lack real skills to debate or understand arguments for that matter.

"A few missing letters means you disregard and claim false in my argument?" Yep. You failed right here.

I don't mean to be provocative but you are intentionally making unnecessary claims about my argument, position, spelling and pronunciation. Either, make an argument about the debate or don't comment (and dragging this on).

But the more you comment, the more funnier it is. So keep up the good work.

[Axel]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

No, your chose to enter the debate. I didn't start taking us off this debate, if you really have read everything you would know. But you didn't so I'm going to assume your just stating your opinion.

I am arguing against the claim that babies are atheist. It doesn't make sense if I would bring it up and state that all babies are athiest.

You may have "perfect spelling and pronunciation" but you lack real skills to debate or understand arguments for that matter.

"A few missing letters means you disregard and claim false in my argument?" Yep. You failed right here.

I don't mean to be provocative but you are intentionally making unnecessary claims about my argument, position, spelling and pronunciation. Either, make an argument about the debate or don't comment (and dragging this on).

But the more you comment, the more funnier it is. So keep up the good work.

For your assumption I have no evidence and no proof, and I have failed to cite anything etc, etc, etc. I'll direct you to one place. See all of Err's past posts.

"A few missing letters means you disregard and claim false in my argument?" Yep. You failed right here. ^- That, is what we call a joke. Do you truly think I would discount an opinion for poor spelling? No. I wanted to see the depth of what you know, and how much your willing to argue over it.

Now, in the interests of ending this, I have one more point.

Reality? What is it. It varies from person to person. People see the world through their reality. What they believe is fact and what they don't is false.

In my world, until someone is introduced to the God Concept they are Atheists.

In your world, until someone is introduced to the God Concept they are Agnostic.

In my perception of reality,you are wrong, and I am right. In your reality it's the exact opposite.

Because these are two different opinions, where there is no solid truth about which is fact and which is not, it means neither of us are wrong. And neither is right.

We are both equally wrong, and equally right. We both live in the same world, with a different reality.

And, if you respond to this with any more argument, your just looking for an argument, and no longer willing to accept the truth.

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Axel

For your assumption I have no evidence and no proof, and I have failed to cite anything etc, etc, etc. I'll direct you to one place. See all of Err's past posts.

"A few missing letters means you disregard and claim false in my argument?" Yep. You failed right here. ^- That, is what we call a joke. Do you truly think I would discount an opinion for poor spelling? No. I wanted to see the depth of what you know, and how much your willing to argue over it.

Now, in the interests of ending this, I have one more point.

Reality? What is it. It varies from person to person. People see the world through their reality. What they believe is fact and what they don't is false.

In my world, until someone is introduced to the God Concept they are Atheists.

In your world, until someone is introduced to the God Concept they are Agnostic.

In my perception of reality,you are wrong, and I am right. In your reality it's the exact opposite.

Because these are two different opinions, where there is no solid truth about which is fact and which is not, it means neither of us are wrong. And neither is right.

We are both equally wrong, and equally right. We both live in the same world, with a different reality.

And, if you respond to this with any more argument, your just looking for an argument, and no longer willing to accept the truth.

Oooooooooooooo, "to see the depth of my knowledge", oooooooooO

Lol you are so full of yourself, but anyway I stand by my point that you did not read any of our argument.

Firstly, what you said above is not what I am against. I never said you cannot have your own view or reality. Nor I am denying you from having your own perception. However, when you first entered this debate you said you agreed to Err's point. You never made this claim (above) early in your argument when you stood at Err's position. You did however afterwards made this argument, which is in fact irrelevant. The point is that you claimed that all babies are atheist in which I'm against.

Besides I argued that your position is insufficient and limited to claim all babies are atheist. This has nothing to do with restricting anyone's opinion or point of view. So what is your point?

Go back and read what you said when you first entered this debate. You chosen to side one's view and me the other. Therefore, we have a debate and present to each other our arguments.

Everyone here know that people have their own views and opinion. So what is your point above? It is precisely this differed views and opinion we have debates and arguments. I do not see what you are referring to here.

Are you suggesting that when I made my point it is denying your opinion? I said your argument is insufficient and limited to make such a claim about babies. I presented to you my argument and you began to ramp about different views and realities.

This is a debate forum. This is what debating is about. Do you not understand the process of debates and arguments? Or is that you having nothing more to say about all babies being atheist?

I accept your differed view, therefore I presented you my argument in the hope for you to do the same. Is this not what debates are about? Or do you just want to make a claim e.g. all babies are atheist and then walk away because you believe you are right.

Here, you can see two things. First, if you are arguing that everyone have their own opinion and views, what about mine? Can't I argue against all babies are not atheist? Can't I present to you my argument?

Second, tell me what a debate looks like in your reality. Because, it seems like you do not understand how a debate work. I certainly cannot stop you from typing here or presenting your own reality. So what you are saying above is irrelevant. To be clear, I am not saying it is wrong but rather it is irrelevant.

You told this forum your position. I told you my argument against it, now counter-argue mine. This is how a debate work. I did not deny your reality but rejecting it by providing my argument.

Final point, this is the reality (both our reality)that you are clearly blind to see. Look at the definition of "debate" - when you do come back here to this """"Debate forum"""" present to me a counter-argument about all babies are not atheist. If not then leave. I would suggest you to find a new debate forum where arguments are not presented.

What is your point about two different reality, I presented mine and lets debate. Or are you suggesting we just make claims e.g. I take this position, someone takes the other position and end. No argument, no counter-argument and no debate.

The last time I checked this is a debate forum. Now let me debate and leave if you cannot counter-argue my position. Nevertheless, you can keep your reality. No one is forcing you not to have your own reality.

You cannot debate if you do not accept this reality.

[Axel]

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

Oooooooooooooo, "to see the depth of my knowledge", oooooooooO

Lol you are so full of yourself, but anyway I stand by my point that you did not read any of our argument.

Firstly, what you said above is not what I am against. I never said you cannot have your own view or reality. Nor I am denying you from having your own perception. However, when you first entered this debate you said you agreed to Err's point. You never made this claim (above) early in your argument when you stood at Err's position. You did however afterwards made this argument, which is in fact irrelevant. The point is that you claimed that all babies are atheist in which I'm against.

Besides I argued that your position is insufficient and limited to claim all babies are atheist. This has nothing to do with restricting anyone's opinion or point of view. So what is your point?

Go back and read what you said when you first entered this debate. You chosen to side one's view and me the other. Therefore, we have a debate and present to each other our arguments.

Everyone here know that people have their own views and opinion. So what is your point above? It is precisely this differed views and opinion we have debates and arguments. I do not see what you are referring to here.

Are you suggesting that when I made my point it is denying your opinion? I said your argument is insufficient and limited to make such a claim about babies. I presented to you my argument and you began to ramp about different views and realities.

This is a debate forum. This is what debating is about. Do you not understand the process of debates and arguments? Or is that you having nothing more to say about all babies being atheist?

I accept your differed view, therefore I presented you my argument in the hope for you to do the same. Is this not what debates are about? Or do you just want to make a claim e.g. all babies are atheist and then walk away because you believe you are right.

Here, you can see two things. First, if you are arguing that everyone have their own opinion and views, what about mine? Can't I argue against all babies are not atheist? Can't I present to you my argument?

Second, tell me what a debate looks like in your reality. Because, it seems like you do not understand how a debate work. I certainly cannot stop you from typing here or presenting your own reality. So what you are saying above is irrelevant. To be clear, I am not saying it is wrong but rather it is irrelevant.

You told this forum your position. I told you my argument against it, now counter-argue mine. This is how a debate work. I did not deny your reality but rejecting it by providing my argument.

Final point, this is the reality (both our reality)that you are clearly blind to see. Look at the definition of "debate" - when you do come back here to this """"Debate forum"""" present to me a counter-argument about all babies are not atheist. If not then leave. I would suggest you to find a new debate forum where arguments are not presented.

What is your point about two different reality, I presented mine and lets debate. Or are you suggesting we just make claims e.g. I take this position, someone takes the other position and end. No argument, no counter-argument and no debate.

The last time I checked this is a debate forum. Now let me debate and leave if you cannot counter-argue my position. Nevertheless, you can keep your reality. No one is forcing you not to have your own reality.

You cannot debate if you do not accept this reality.

Congratulations. Your a moron and only want argument. Thank you for proving that.

Bye.

[itachi_sensei]

well afte all this thread is about argument so i guess you are lost axel.

well i guess im lost too

but i will said this that you will never win an agumrnt against a person who does belive in god why?

cause to belive in god you need to have faith which they dont have.

ok im just going to throw this out there and see what you guy think who thinks there is a parallel universe?

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Axel

Congratulations. Your a moron and only want argument. Thank you for proving that.

Bye.

Don't contradict yourself, your the moron who continues to carry on this irrelevant point.

I'm clearly suggesting you to provide a counter-argument for the debated topic or leave.

I didn't know there was someone out there who enters a debate forum and can't debate.

Present to me your counter-argument. But seriously though, you were the one who entered this specific debate topic, you chose to take a standpoint and don't wish to argue? Then why enter this debate topic in the first place?

You sir are a moron who took a bite off more than you can chew.

[Axel]

Originally Posted by itachi_sensei

well afte all this thread is about argument so i guess you are lost axel.

well i guess im lost too

but i will said this that you will never win an agumrnt against a person who does belive in god why?

cause to belive in god you need to have faith which they dont have.

ok im just going to throw this out there and see what you guy think who thinks there is a parallel universe?

It's not about winning the debate, it's just presenting your case the best you can. And even if you don't win, as long as your heart's in it. It won't matter. For example, take my latest debate, I wasn't into the argument, therefore I didn't take anytime to reference the topic. So, I "lost" the debate. Tho I don't consider no longer acknowledging one's opponent a loss.

As for parallel universes, I think so, yes. Science has brought this theory forward a few times...not sure on the information on it tho.

[Dio Brando]

People (the ones that believe in God), I have just lost faith in humanity.

You are chasing some Omnipotent being in a Fictional Fairytale, its no different than believing in Santa and the Tooth fairy, which are stupid things to do even for kids.

Grow up, if you believe in some fictional being why not believe that you can use magic with a wooden stick, or a ring that give you superpower, or why not believe in fiction overall? Because that seems to be your hobby.

Seriously. Proof God exists is his DNA, his remains, or whatever that can actually be counted as proof, not some ridiculous Bible that stupid people wrote.

I swear I don't know why people waste hours praying, going to churches when they can be doing something worthwhile. Because praying in God does not give you wings.

[gama-sennin]

Originally Posted by Axel

It's not about winning the debate, it's just presenting your case the best you can.

Which you never did....Never...

Originally Posted by Axel

And even if you don't win, as long as your heart's in it. It won't matter. For example, take my latest debate, I wasn't into the argument, therefore I didn't take anytime to reference the topic. So, I "lost" the debate. Tho I don't consider no longer acknowledging one's opponent a loss.

That would be the case if your opponent is a troll who doesn't care about making proper arguments..Rasengan should be the one using that line and not you...Because, in simplest words, you are the one trolling him...

Originally Posted by Axel

As for parallel universes, I think so, yes. Science has brought this theory forward a few times...not sure on the information on it tho.

So you are ready to believe in some "theory" with no proof whatsoever but at the same time you ridicule those who believe in some other theory(that of God) with about as much basis as that of the parallel universe..

Note: IF you chose to reply this, don't give me the crap like "Its not proven yet but it will be in future..."

Originally Posted by Dio Brando

Seriously. Proof God exists is his DNA, his remains, or whatever that can actually be counted as proof, not some ridiculous Bible that stupid people wrote.

I have never read the Bible, not even once in my life....I have read only the basic principles of almost all the major religions and I found all of those saying the same thing in a bit round about manner...The only exception being the stupid claim of superiority over every other religion and even that is a common thing....

The real problem lies with the way followers interpret the teachings of any religion...Every religion basically says the same things and asks for same things from the people....But the human tendency of claiming superiority over others results in never ending conflicts and doubts...These wars are not about Jesus x Prophet x Krishna, but actually its about their followers fighting each other for some petty things and nothing more than bragging rights and of course riches/oil/land etc....

So I am not religious but I still believe in God...I find that easier and more natural...

I swear I don't know why people waste hours praying, going to churches when they can be doing something worthwhile. Because praying in God does not give you wings.

Neither do I..The reasons vary from person to person....For example, I pray because I want Him to give me a couple of billion dollars(more if possible)...Not asking for too much, I know..

[Dio Brando]

Your insane.

If you can be a billionaire by simply praying then China won't even exist.

[The Demon Zabuza]

Originally Posted by gama-sennin

So you are ready to believe in some "theory" with no proof whatsoever but at the same time you ridicule those who believe in some other theory(that of God) with about as much basis as that of the parallel universe..

Note: IF you chose to reply this, don't give me the crap like "Its not proven yet but it will be in future..."



I have never read the Bible, not even once in my life....I have read only the basic principles of almost all the major religions and I found all of those saying the same thing in a bit round about manner...The only exception being the stupid claim of superiority over every other religion and even that is a common thing....

The real problem lies with the way followers interpret the teachings of any religion...Every religion basically says the same things and asks for same things from the people....But the human tendency of claiming superiority over others results in never ending conflicts and doubts...These wars are not about Jesus x Prophet x Krishna, but actually its about their followers fighting each other for some petty things and nothing more than bragging rights and of course riches/oil/land etc....

So I am not religious but I still believe in God...I find that easier and more natural...

Neither do I..The reasons vary from person to person....For example, I pray because I want Him to give me a couple of billion dollars(more if possible)...Not asking for too much, I know..

You're wrong. Please understand quantum physics before challenging it's theories.

So basically, you don't believe God ever intervened in the causing of wars, and that was all humanities fault, but expect him to give you a billion dollars.

Good luck with that.

[gama-sennin]

Originally Posted by Dio Brando

Your insane.

If you can be a billionaire by simply praying then China won't even exist.

China????

Do you think people pray for its destruction?

Btw, I am not sure if you understood, but it was supposed to be a joke...I have honestly no idea why I pray or why anyone else prays...

Originally Posted by The Demon Zabuza

You're wrong. Please understand quantum physics before challenging it's theories.

Fine....I'll do a bit more reading about that....

Originally Posted by The Demon Zabuza

So basically, you don't believe God ever intervened in the causing of wars, and that was all humanities fault, but expect him to give you a billion dollars.

Good luck with that.

Even you too?...Damn, I shouldn't have tried to be "punny" here....It was supposed to be a worthless joke....

[The Demon Zabuza]

Originally Posted by gama-sennin

Fine....I'll do a bit more reading about that....



Even you too?...Damn, I shouldn't have tried to be "punny" here....It was supposed to be a worthless joke....

I suggest you look up Shrodingers Cat.

The reason I took it seriously is because the only reason there is nowadays to believe in God is that he watches over us. If you seriously believe that God created the universe then left it alone, what is the point of having a God at all?

In reality, you don't actually believe in God as he is defined by almost every single major religion. You think that maybe something created the universe, but you don't know really what, and don't know enough science to understand that it probably was science.

[gama-sennin]

Originally Posted by The Demon Zabuza

I suggest you look up Shrodingers Cat.

The reason I took it seriously is because the only reason there is nowadays to believe in God is that he watches over us. If you seriously believe that God created the universe then left it alone, what is the point of having a God at all?

I dont think he left it alone....I believe he is like a parent in a broader sense...

In reality, you don't actually believe in God as he is defined by almost every single major religion.

I have already said that I am not religious..."God" on the other hand is universally same....Every religion defines the same being in different words...

You think that maybe something created the universe, but you don't know really what, and don't know enough science to understand that it probably was science.

Its possible...But I'll put it more as "being out of touch"...After all its been seven years since I left school and that is quite a long period...But I am always open to advises and I'll definitely look up as much stuff about parallel universes as I can...

[ItachiAnbu]

Originally Posted by Axel

Congratulations. Your a moron and only want argument. Thank you for proving that.

Bye.

Originally Posted by Rasengan-

Don't contradict yourself, your the moron who continues to carry on this irrelevant point.

I'm clearly suggesting you to provide a counter-argument for the debated topic or leave.

I didn't know there was someone out there who enters a debate forum and can't debate.

Present to me your counter-argument. But seriously though, you were the one who entered this specific debate topic, you chose to take a standpoint and don't wish to argue? Then why enter this debate topic in the first place?

You sir are a moron who took a bite off more than you can chew.

You BOTH need to stop spamming. Chill out.

Originally Posted by The Demon Zabuza

I suggest you look up Shrodingers Cat.

"When I hear of Schrodingers Cat, I reach for my gun." -Stephen Hawking

[Axel]

Originally Posted by gama-sennin

So you are ready to believe in some "theory" with no proof whatsoever but at the same time you ridicule those who believe in some other theory(that of God) with about as much basis as that of the parallel universe..

Note: IF you chose to reply this, don't give me the crap like "Its not proven yet but it will be in future..."

First and for most, the discussion on Rasengan is over.

Secondly, http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...universes.html, this is a basic assessment on the parallel universe theory. It's simplified so anyone can understand it. (not an insult to intelligence just once you get into the not simplified stuff it gets complicated)

Third, "you ridicule those who believe in some other theory(that of God)" I've never ridiculed anyone for believing in God. That's their choice, I respect that.

[gama-sennin]

Originally Posted by Axel

First and for most, the discussion on Rasengan is over.

Secondly, http://www.dummies.com/how-to/conten...universes.html, this is a basic assessment on the parallel universe theory. It's simplified so anyone can understand it. (not an insult to intelligence just once you get into the not simplified stuff it gets complicated)

Third, "you ridicule those who believe in some other theory(that of God)" I've never ridiculed anyone for believing in God. That's their choice, I respect that.

None taken...

I've been reading about it for last few hours..Its interesting...I knew only the basic definition and nothing else..But I gotta say that its(as of now) only a theory...

I mean, I'd love to think that there some other universe but I am not sure about exactly what causes the split from this one to another universe..

Does that depend on the probability of the event or is it simply "one universe for every choice"?...

For example, if I flip a coin then the probability of getting a head is exactly 50% and I can understand if the split occurs at this point...One universe for head and another for tail...Kinda like Schrodinger's cat..The cat may be alive or dead and not both..If alive in this universe then possibly/probably dead in another...

But what if the probabilities are like 10% or 15% for some random event? Does the split still occur at this point?

Also, assuming it does, does that mean there are infinite parallel universes existing right now for every possibility throughout the history? Like, if I were to draw an ace out of a pack of cards, does that result in one universe for every time I pick a card?

I think I like this theory not for what it says but in exactly reverse context...

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Axel

First and for most, the discussion on Rasengan is over.

Its not over, you just fail to counter-argue my point and walked out with insults in attempt to delude yourself.

"Discussion on Rasengan is over", this doesn't make any sense. Discussion about me is over?

It is the "discussion with Rasengan is over".