Chapter 486 Debate Thread. (Rep rewards for quality posts) - Page 2

Shikamaru Nara · 03-13-2010, 06:14 PM

KabutOrochimaru is barely a concern at the moment due to the fact that he is not involved with the story AT ALL right now.

Zetsu being mysterious has nothing to do with not being the final Villian. And the fact that he calls Madara "Tobi", just means that he forgets. Not relevant. He's around Madara a lot, meaning that he must show SOME importance because Madara is an antagonist at the time. And teleportation is not relevant.

Hozuki Suigetsu · 03-13-2010, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Shikamaru9

Zetsu being mysterious has nothing to do with not being the final Villian. And the fact that he calls Madara "Tobi", just means that he forgets. Not relevant. He's around Madara a lot, meaning that he must show SOME importance because Madara is an antagonist at the time. And teleportation is not relevant.

But what if Madara created Zetsu?
Madara has a secret lair. There is no telling what is in there. Maybe a lab?
They both can teleport. Madara could've broken down his jutsu and put it inside his DNA.
Zetsu is not from any village. some say he's from Konoha, but thats not confirmed.
Zetsu follows Madara like he's a servant unto him...

Seven · 03-13-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hozuki Suigetsu

But what if Madara created Zetsu?
Madara has a secret lair. There is no telling what is in there. Maybe a lab?
They both can teleport. Madara could've broken down his jutsu and put it inside his DNA.
Zetsu is not from any village. some say he's from Konoha, but thats not confirmed.
Zetsu follows Madara like he's a servant unto him...

Actually Zetsu is from the Hidden Grass Village.

Kuroda Taishi · 03-13-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSeventhSwordsmanOfMist

Actually Zetsu is from the Hidden Grass Village.

Suspected, not proven

narutonhinataschild · 03-14-2010, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuroda Taishi

Suspected, not proven

all thats proven is that Kishi can keep all of us jumping you like you don't like you'll keep on reading and letting all know what you think about it Naruto rocks and kishi is a genious and there is no debate about that!

Cobrinha · 03-14-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wooster

Well I don't know if that's a debating question, more like a clarification. In any case, I think the right interpetation is Madara needs to get the Rinnegan. I have seen two different translation, and both could be read that he needs to obtain it. The most likely source of course would be Nagato's body, but that's hard to say for certain.

Edit: Whoops Shikamaru9 already got to it.

If we are going to have a debate about this chapter, I think the most relevant one would be Naruto's decission and Sasuke reaction.

So what do you think about Nartuo's "Third Way" or as I call it MAD? Was a brilliant idea or more Naruto sophistry? Also, what about Sasuke reaction to Nartuo? It did seem to throw him off balance a bit. I could give my opinion here, but I'd rather let the debate develop before I bias everyone's opinion first.

I was actually very pleased with Naruto's "Third Way." Don't get me wrong, I definantly don't want Naruto to die, but I've been waiting since the second half of the series started for Naruto to realize that Sasuke has heard it all before, and words alone can't make him change his ways. Sasuke was definantly a little distraught when he heard this, but I doubt that he'll be to seriously affected from it.

Again, I'm glad that Naruto realizes that he'll have to kill Sasuke. There still is a chance for Sasuke to redeem himself, and that would be to turn on Madara, but as far as Naruto knows, Sasuke has no intensions of doing so. It's just nice that Naruto is finally prepared to kill Sasuke for the sake of Konoha.

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Originally Posted by narutonhinataschild

all thats proven is that Kishi can keep all of us jumping you like you don't like you'll keep on reading and letting all know what you think about it Naruto rocks and kishi is a genious and there is no debate about that!

I have no Idea what you just said. This is just jibberish....

Sonia · 03-14-2010, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hozuki Suigetsu

He said he will give life to everyone he's killed. So why didn't Jiraiya come back hmm?

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MoonStarNinja4 · 03-14-2010, 06:17 PM

With the idea that Kisame is somehow still alive, I wonder if Black Zetsu is with him.
And if that's not the case, where is Black Zetsu?

3littlepigs · 03-14-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Wooster

If we are going to have a debate about this chapter, I think the most relevant one would be Naruto's decission and Sasuke reaction.

So what do you think about Nartuo's "Third Way" or as I call it MAD? Was a brilliant idea or more Naruto sophistry? Also, what about Sasuke reaction to Nartuo? It did seem to throw him off balance a bit. I could give my opinion here, but I'd rather let the debate develop before I bias everyone's opinion first.

Although I wasn't completely satisfied with his decision I don't think we could have expected more from Naruto..he is after all Naruto. Still, I thought he made it very clear to Sasuke that if he goes on to attack Konoha Naruto won't be the only one dying...I'm guessing by Sasuke's reaction he's not quite ready to die yet. He knows based on Naruto's personality and the fact that he still hasn't given up on Sasuke being good again Naruto'll make sure he doesn't die alone.

And also I think Madara will go after Pain's body which means he'll be looking for Konan soon...I really don't see how he could have a friggin' Rinnegan....

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What i want 2 know is how.? How is he gonna retrieve the Rinnegan if it is inside Nagato's head/Eye socket.? Maybe he'll get it from one of the 6 pathes of Pain like the Deva, or Preta path. Who knows?

I'm pretty sure he can't get it from any of the paths and besides they were destroyed by Naruto or taken by Konan. I think he'll look for Konan so she can give him Nagato's body.

Bohica · 03-15-2010, 06:15 AM

Well I think Naruto's decision that he would also shoulder Sasuke's burden and that they would die together is more of Naruto being Naruto. Naruto is willing to die to protect the village and it's people, a sign of a Hokage, also it is in my opinion forshadowing the begining of Sasuke returning from the darkness and relying on Naruto as we see many others already doing. Yet another sign building Naruto as a Hokage type char.

I believe we will see some epic type fight between the two to the point where both are to tired to continue much like the Gara / Naruto fight where at the end Naruto was dragging himself by his chin to keep going to protect those he cares for and thus changing Gara's ways.

Anyway just my opinion all this is forshadowing of Naruto becoming Hokage and the possible return of Sasuke.

valtreck · 03-15-2010, 08:00 AM

to get the rinnegan, madara is going to find konan 'cause she has nagato's body. and madara will know about kisame soon. i just hope that orochimaru comes back now.

SageNaruto69 · 03-15-2010, 08:07 AM

wow we got to see madaras ears! yes! anyway were seeing more and more of tobi. im pretty sure we are going to see madara take off his mask somewhere in the next 10 chapters from now.

tyler · 03-15-2010, 10:10 AM

I thought one of the databooks said Zetsu was from Konoha

Vermillian · 03-15-2010, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hozuki Suigetsu

Does Madara have a Rinnegan or not! In some translations, he says, "Let me retrieve my Rinnegan." In others he says that he needs to go collect it. So does he just swap out eyes or what!!!!
And what was he doing when Zetsu appeared??? His new "ARM" looks wet!

He is more then likely going to steal at least one of the Finnegan for him left eye. Considering this sharingan tricks are believed to be part of his all powerfulness >_> and as for his wet arm it seems like he might being some sort of absorption technique from the mass in from of him..maybe a part of his immortality secrets

03-15-2010, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hozuki Suigetsu

He said he will give life to everyone he's killed. So why didn't Jiraiya come back hmm?

That jutsu only works on those who were killed in that day. Jiraiya had been killed a couple days or more beforehand.

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Originally Posted by Hozuki Suigetsu

But what about Madara and KabutOrochimaru?

Zetsu is mysterious...
He still calls Madara "Tobi" sometimes.
He is always around Madara.
It's strange how both Madara and Zetsu can teleport.

Zetsu's Mayfly is slower though but he can go anywhere...whereas Madara teleports to a sharingan user nearly instantly...much like Minato's Flying Thunder God Technique but slightly different seeing as instead of using a formula seal on a kunai as a marker like Minato did, he detects sharingans.

I have also been thinking of something. Madara seems to have something up his sleeve for the statement about the Rinnegan...if I am not mistaken, it would seem like he is trying to do what we thought Danzo was...and that is to become the Rikudo. He has who knows how many sharingan at his disposal and if he gets the Rinnegan eyes and combines them with each other, then he would get both powers of the younger and older brothers that would later be the Senju and Uchiha. Senju= Spirit, Uchiha= Power. I am more than likely wrong..but I can't help but think he is trying to do this so that he has no equal in power and to also be able to control the Jyuubi.

Hozuki Suigetsu · 03-15-2010, 12:29 PM

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SageNaruto69 · 03-15-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler

I thought one of the databooks said Zetsu was from Konoha

village hidden in the grass

3littlepigs · 03-15-2010, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SageNaruto69

wow we got to see madaras ears! yes! anyway were seeing more and more of tobi. im pretty sure we are going to see madara take off his mask somewhere in the next 10 chapters from now.

LOL Yay! We got to see his ears!

It's true though...at this point anything that gets us closer to us seeing his current face is cause for celebration.

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Shikamaru Nara Super \| ɹoʇɐɹǝpoW Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: New York Posts: 43,792 Rep Power: 42 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1 Total Points: 4	Re: Chapter 486 Debate Thread. (Rep rewards for quality posts) KabutOrochimaru is barely a concern at the moment due to the fact that he is not involved with the story AT ALL right now. Zetsu being mysterious has nothing to do with not being the final Villian. And the fact that he calls Madara "Tobi", just means that he forgets. Not relevant. He's around Madara a lot, meaning that he must show SOME importance because Madara is an antagonist at the time. And teleportation is not relevant. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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MoonStarNinja4 Chunin Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: At my computer...in Florida :) Posts: 1,093 Rep Power: 9	Re: Chapter 486 Debate Thread. (Rep rewards for quality posts) With the idea that Kisame is somehow still alive, I wonder if Black Zetsu is with him. And if that's not the case, where is Black Zetsu?

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Bohica Apprentice Genin Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 180 Rep Power: 0	Re: Chapter 486 Debate Thread. (Rep rewards for quality posts) Well I think Naruto's decision that he would also shoulder Sasuke's burden and that they would die together is more of Naruto being Naruto. Naruto is willing to die to protect the village and it's people, a sign of a Hokage, also it is in my opinion forshadowing the begining of Sasuke returning from the darkness and relying on Naruto as we see many others already doing. Yet another sign building Naruto as a Hokage type char. I believe we will see some epic type fight between the two to the point where both are to tired to continue much like the Gara / Naruto fight where at the end Naruto was dragging himself by his chin to keep going to protect those he cares for and thus changing Gara's ways. Anyway just my opinion all this is forshadowing of Naruto becoming Hokage and the possible return of Sasuke.

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valtreck Genin Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Konoha Posts: 369 Rep Power: 0	Re: Chapter 486 Debate Thread. (Rep rewards for quality posts) to get the rinnegan, madara is going to find konan 'cause she has nagato's body. and madara will know about kisame soon. i just hope that orochimaru comes back now.

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tyler Genin Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: OKC Posts: 342 Rep Power: 9	Re: Chapter 486 Debate Thread. (Rep rewards for quality posts) I thought one of the databooks said Zetsu was from Konoha __________________ Spoiler: I'm right behind you. HTML Code: What's the point of the HTML tags here if they don't render as HTML??? Goash. <a href=" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Sense</a>

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