Sasuke isn't as powerful as he thinks he is

[wolfsfang]

No you miss the point. I don't care if he could beat people he fought earlier with the power he has now that is just not important. The point is that in his eyes (and the eyes of most of the leaf village) he should have been able to beat these people AT THE TIME he fought them not that he could beat them now.

and really...being a bit tired is no excuse because Itachi was dying and he still kicked ass without having to be saved by someone or by some Plot No Jutsu

[Tobi-Uchiha]

Yea i thought the same thing Sasuke is only stronge cause of his Sharingan even all the Uchiha Members they pretty weak without them

[*Talim of the moonlight*]

Well the only reason i think Sasuke has survived up until now is because he is Kishimoto's "favorite"

[Konan9]

Originally Posted by wolfsfang

Sasuke is not as strong as he thinks he is and instead survives by luck 99% of the time. The only reason he thinks he is so strong is because he is an Uchiha.

look at the evidence

Sasuke vs Haku - Haku dominated Sasuke until Naruto appeared and saved the day

Sasuke vs Rock Lee - Rock Lee beat Sasuke without breaking into a sweat

Sasuke vs Orochimaru (Forest of Death) - Sasuke would have been eaten by the big snake if Naruto hadn't stopped it

Sasuke vs Gaara - He got in one lucky shot with Chidori but in the fight outside the village Gaara was winning until Naruto came along and beat Gaara

Sasuke vs Aoi - Aoi beat Sasuke and again it was up to Naruto to save the day

Sasuke vs Sound Ninja - He won but only because they were ordered to recruit not kill him

Sasuke vs Naruto - Yes Sasuke won this fight but it was very close and to do so he had to fully release his curse mark where Naruto only went one-tailed. If Naruto had grown one more tail he would have dominated Sasuke

Sasuke vs Deidara - Sasuke only survived this fight because he sacrificed Manda.

Sasuke vs Itachi - Sasuke won by default. Itachi had Sasuke backed up against a wall with no way out and if Itachi was serious he could have easily kileld Sasuke. Instead he finally died of his illness.

Sasuke vs Killer Bee - It appeared Sasuke won but that was only due to the help of his team and in fact they had failed because Killer Bee had just decided to vanish and take a holiday

Sasuke vs Kage Summit - He did a bit of damage there sure but the Kages would have killed him (especially the Raikage) if Tobi / Madara hadn't appeared and teleported him and Karin away

Sasuke vs Danzo - Sauke actually wins this fight due to skill and not luck but that is 1 out of 12...not that good of a record really.


as I said he is not that powerful...he is just very lucky

Completely correct. The facts are in the anime.

[wolfsfang]

Oh and to whoever gave me negative rep for "hateing sasuke" at no point in my thread did I say I hate him. Saying I hate Sasuke and pointing out that he is not as powerful as he or others think is too seperate things

Tho I must admit he is not a fave character of mine, in fact he is very very low on my list...still doesn't mean I hate him, I just don't like him as much as most other characters

[caffeineandshiny]

I agree with this conversation completely.

And to the people arguing Sasuke could win against Itachi now because he has all the same powers... um he only has those powers at all cause Itachi gave them to him on a silver platter. He only has summoning abilities due to Orochimaru. He only has chidori thanks to Kakashi. The only power he has that isn't something we've seen someone else do first is the Hawk summon, and that came out of no where.

He almost died against Killer Bee twice and was only saved due to Karin and Jugo, like a bunch of other times his team saved him. And that was before Killer Bee went fully transformed.

And yes Killer Bee is a top notch ninja, however even he and A together couldn't beat Minato. Minato was about the same power level as Jiraiya and yet Pein killed Jiraiya. And Naruto beat Pein. How can we say that Sasuke would even be a threat to the Kage, Obito, Naruto etc if it wasn't for him being saved by the plot? Every time someone shows just how outclassed Sasuke is, Sasuke mysteriously gains a new power almost as an afterthought.

Sasuke definitely is a powerful ninja, but he just can't compare to the lead group if we look at things logically, the only reason he's in the lead group is because Kishimoto says he is. Divine intervention.

[Mr.Nardo2000]

Spoiler:

If you see the manga you'll find the truth of Itachi, he let Sasuke win, sasuke didn't beat him by skill

[Mangetsu Hozuki]

Lol. Sasuke would have died by Danzo too if Tobi hadn't saved him.

[Leejjon]

You're all saying Sasuke got help from Taka & Tobi but Naruto got help often aswell. Naruto was defeated by Pain but the Kyuubi (and even Hinata) saved him, then the Kyuubi would take over but was stopped by Minato.

Naruto is only more powerful because of the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi gives him infinite chakra and heals instantly even when he gets hit on a vital spot (in the Naruto vs Sasuke fight at valley's end). I'd still say Sasuke could beat Naruto as Sasuke has better observation skills in a battle, is smarter and fights to kill. (not even mentioning that Sasuke can put Naruto in genjutsu every second)

[Gbosco97]

Yeah when you think about it Sasuke isn't as powerful as he thinks but because of that he outsmarts his opponents and doesn't lose his cool that's why he's strong compared to the other shinobi.

[Shisko Shi]

Yep sasuke sucks monky but. Love to see him beat Pain.

NAruto only lost his fight with Sasuke becasue his body is being torn abart by the Nine Tails Chakra on his body. Had it not effect him like that he would have one with one tail. Naruto will kill Sasuke with out a chance. He can not stop a TBB. Sassuna is not that strong.

[Tobi Rinnegan]

Originally Posted by Leejjon

You're all saying Sasuke got help from Taka & Tobi but Naruto got help often aswell. Naruto was defeated by Pain but the Kyuubi (and even Hinata) saved him, then the Kyuubi would take over but was stopped by Minato.

Naruto is only more powerful because of the Kyuubi. The Kyuubi gives him infinite chakra and heals instantly even when he gets hit on a vital spot (in the Naruto vs Sasuke fight at valley's end). I'd still say Sasuke could beat Naruto as Sasuke has better observation skills in a battle, is smarter and fights to kill. (not even mentioning that Sasuke can put Naruto in genjutsu every second)

This.

[Shisko Shi]

Besides that Sasuke has his eyes that let him see everyone sJutsu's and what they do before they do it?


The Uchiha eyes are a big piece of crap of cheater imo.

[konoha chimp]

I fail to see how sasuke can even touch Naruto

[Mekuto]

I never liked Sasuke and I can say without bias he's not as great as he thinks he is. In every fight he has had help save Deidarai, and he goes on and on about others being a hindrance to him. I was impressed with how he fought Danzo, but then he had to give that burden speech and be a d*** at the end of it. What really killed me is most of his motivation for leaving the village was jealously towards Naruto who began to out shine him. Just like Hashi vs. Man. Going so far to say the only cool Uchihas were Itachi and Shishui.

[Divine Rush]

Yeah sasuke lost all my respect he can't touch naruto for real

[Tobi Rinnegan]

Imo Sasuke is better than Naruto in terms of needing help, Naruto has had help since day one (Kurama). But the best Uchihas are definitely as follows, Tobi, Madara, Itachi, Shishui, random Uchiha who died in Itachi's attack, Female Uchiha 3, and then Sasuke.

[Mekuto]

Naruto at least values his helpers and in terms of coolness I'm thinking Tobi was a good guy who had a fit, Mandara really lost me during the flash back with the whole it's not fair mentality. Itachi was willing to do whatever needed to protect his village. Shishui was like hey man village just took my eye, but still want to protect to protect it so take my other eye I'm just going to go on a walk through the darkness while blind.

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by wolfsfang

Sasuke is not as strong as he thinks he is and instead survives by luck 99% of the time. The only reason he thinks he is so strong is because he is an Uchiha.
Recently he does not think he is so strong. He left that ego behind a while ago ever since Itachi died and his fight against Lee

look at the evidence

Sasuke vs Haku - Haku dominated Sasuke until Naruto appeared and saved the day
Once Saskue had the sharigan haku was not dominating him

Sasuke vs Rock Lee - Rock Lee beat Sasuke without breaking into a sweat
Agrreed. This was the ONLY time where Saskue was overconfident and thought he was way stronger and would win.

Sasuke vs Orochimaru (Forest of Death) - Sasuke would have been eaten by the big snake if Naruto hadn't stopped it
Saskue was scared and he did not think he could win

Sasuke vs Gaara - He got in one lucky shot with Chidori but in the fight outside the village Gaara was winning until Naruto came along and beat Gaara
Garra was bijju level. It took nearly the whole Team 7 to beat him. Its not an easy feat. He did not think he coudl win

Sasuke vs Aoi - Aoi beat Sasuke and again it was up to Naruto to save the day
Anime does not count

Sasuke vs Sound Ninja - He won but only because they were ordered to recruit not kill him
The sound trio were scared out of their mind. They knew they could nto win

Sasuke vs Naruto - Yes Sasuke won this fight but it was very close and to do so he had to fully release his curse mark where Naruto only went one-tailed. If Naruto had grown one more tail he would have dominated Sasuke
A win's a Win.
Naruto could not go all out cuz of his emotional ties. Plus he could only handle going one tail. That is like saying Saskue would have won if he had MS>

Sasuke vs Deidara - Sasuke only survived this fight because he sacrificed Manda.
A win's a win. Saskue pushed Dediara to the extreme and Dediara even had help. You mention Saskue having help yet you exclude the foe's help.

Sasuke vs Itachi - Sasuke won by default. Itachi had Sasuke backed up against a wall with no way out and if Itachi was serious he could have easily kileld Sasuke. Instead he finally died of his illness.
Itachi was not going all out

Sasuke vs Killer Bee - It appeared Sasuke won but that was only due to the help of his team and in fact they had failed because Killer Bee had just decided to vanish and take a holiday
Still not an easy feat. Once Amaterasu was active it was an easy win. If he had it at the start he would not need his teammates. Also his objective was to capture him not defeat/kill him which is harder

Sasuke vs Kage Summit - He did a bit of damage there sure but the Kages would have killed him (especially the Raikage) if Tobi / Madara hadn't appeared and teleported him and Karin away
Not everyone can do that. It was just so he can train quickly and gain more Sharigan powers

Sasuke vs Danzo - Sauke actually wins this fight due to skill and not luck but that is 1 out of 12...not that good of a record really.
Not really cuz Karin and Obito were helping him by giving him advice during battle


as I said he is not that powerful...he is just very lucky

whats with the hate

[Rage [VG]]

Originally Posted by Mekuto

I never liked Sasuke and I can say without bias he's not as great as he thinks he is.

Oxymoronic sentence.