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Old 01-29-2010, 05:45 PM   #1
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Madara will become Hokage by taking over The Foundation.
Madara will rule with an Iron Fist (and from how it blocked Suigetsu's sword. Perhaps literally). The Alliance will eventually falter to Madara's power. Sasuke might be the figure head Hokage but Madara will be
the "Man Behind the Curtain". Sasuke will be like Yagura Part 2.


Their will be a massive man-hunt to capture Naruto. Kakashi will be the
Hokage-in-exile (by the way this theory evolved from that one) But the
torch will be passed down to Naruto. Naruto in essence will become the
9th Hokage.


1st Hokage Hashirama Senju
2nd Hokage Tobirama Senju
3rd Hokage Hiruzen Sarutobi
4th Hokage Minato Namikaze
5th Hokage Tsunade
6th Hokage Danzo
7th Hokage Kakashi
8th Hokage Madara
9th Hokage Naruto


You thought the Pain Invasion was bad for Konoha?
It's gonna get worse with The Bloody Leaf courtesy of Madara.
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I see two major problems with this theory.

First, why would the Foundation follow Madara especially if he just killed Danzo? It seems pretty clear that Danzo had some plans to stop Madara, so the remaining higher-ups in the Foundation would also be opposed to Madara. Unless you're suggesting Madara can do some sort-of mass genjutsu once he obtains Shisui's Sharingan. I suppose if he can control the next leader of the Foundation, Madara could have him/her control the rest of the Foundation.

Second, even if Madara could obtain control of the Foundation, why would the rest of Konoha follow him? It's different with Danzo in control, then at least Danzo was Konoha ninja in good standing. Madara is a danger to the whole world and Sasuke has been declared an enemy ninja, why would anyone follow either?

Now if Madara spares Danzo's life, Madara could probably use him as a figurehead. The cost of this bargain would be for Danzo to give Madara Shisui's Sharingan. With the loss of both his arm and Sharingan, Danzo would be much less dangerous, so it's possible Madara could control him.

Not to say that this wouldn't be interesting if it did occur.
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I see two major problems with this theory.

First, why would the Foundation follow Madara especially if he just killed Danzo? It seems pretty clear that Danzo had some plans to stop Madara, so the remaining higher-ups in the Foundation would also be opposed to Madara. Unless you're suggesting Madara can do some sort-of mass genjutsu once he obtains Shisui's Sharingan. I suppose if he can control the next leader of the Foundation, Madara could have him/her control the rest of the Foundation.

Second, even if Madara could obtain control of the Foundation, why would the rest of Konoha follow him? It's different with Danzo in control, then at least Danzo was Konoha ninja in good standing. Madara is a danger to the whole world and Sasuke has been declared an enemy ninja, why would anyone follow either?

Now if Madara spares Danzo's life, Madara could probably use him as a figurehead. The cost of this bargain would be for Danzo to give Madara Shisui's Sharingan. With the loss of both his arm and Sharingan, Danzo would be much less dangerous, so it's possible Madara could control him.

Not to say that this wouldn't be interesting if it did occur.

Madara is going to get Shisui's Sharingan. He said so in Chapter 480.
Madara doesn't need to Genjutsu ALL of The Foundation but simply
just the higher ups. It would be interesting if Madara left Danzo alive
to be the figure head. That would be a real blow to Danzo's character.

If Madara brain washes the higher ups of The Foundation then he's
got the cat in the bag because Foundation members aren't too outspoken.

Madara will take over the rest of Konoha by force. There's going to be a civil war between The Foundation and The Rest of Konoha.

It's gonna be epic.
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Madara is going to get Shisui's Sharingan. He said so in Chapter 480.
Madara doesn't need to Genjutsu ALL of The Foundation but simply
just the higher ups. It would be interesting if Madara left Danzo alive
to be the figure head. That would be a real blow to Danzo's character.

If Madara brain washes the higher ups of The Foundation then he's
got the cat in the bag because Foundation members aren't too outspoken.

Madara will take over the rest of Konoha by force. There's going to be a civil war between The Foundation and The Rest of Konoha.

It's gonna be epic.
But so far from what we've seen, Shisui's eye can only control one person. Of course, Madara does have the advantage that he has already captured two of the highest rank. I guess the third is hunting Kabuto right now. I agree that if the rest of the Foundation is like Sai was, there would be no problem getting them to follow orders.

I still think only having the Foundation members probably wouldn't be enough to make a serious attack on Konoha. Unless you are suggesting Danzo's training method is much better than the rest of Konoha. I guess it could be a good distraction, paticularly if it's guerrilla warfare. That way Madara and Sasuke can go after Naruto while everyone else is trying defend against a threat of unknown origin.

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But so far from what we've seen, Shisui's eye can only control one person. Of course, Madara does have the advantage that he has already captured two of the highest rank. I guess the third is hunting Kabuto right now. I agree that if the rest of the Foundation is like Sai was, there would be no problem getting them to follow orders.

If Madara has BOTH of Shisui's eyes then it will be probably twice as effective if not more. Also Madara is of the Uchiha clan unlike Danzo.
I think Sai even when in robot mode was the least robot like of The Foundation.

I still think only having the Foundation members probably wouldn't be enough to make a serious attack on Konoha. Unless you are suggesting Danzo's training method is much better than the rest of Konoha. I guess it could be a good distraction, paticularly if it's guerilla warfare. That way Madara and Sasuke can go after Naruto while every else is trying defend against a threat of unknown origin.
Think of it like this. 1. It wouldn't be expected 2. Did you see what the six paths of pain did...and that was 6 people 3. Anbu and The Foundation are
supposed to be the elite ninja. 4. there will be plenty of guerrilla warfare
5. They are more experience fighters it seems.

If Madara takes over Konoha the rest of the alliance will falter.
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Think of it like this. 1. It wouldn't be expected 2. Did you see what the six paths of pain did...and that was 6 people 3. Anbu and The Foundation are
supposed to be the elite ninja. 4. there will be plenty of guerrilla warfare
5. They are more experience fighters it seems.

If Madara takes over Konoha the rest of the alliance will falter.
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Killerbee invades Konoha Interview.
If Madara takes over it will give a LOT more credit to Killer Bee invading.

If Killer Bee invades Madara Occupied Konoha he will skyrocket in popularity.

Well at least with me.
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if this will happen {which i highly doubt}
there is no way that the other nations would just sit by as the stronget village in their alliance gets taken over by the enemy
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if this will happen {which i highly doubt}
there is no way that the other nations would just sit by as the stronget village in their alliance gets taken over by the enemy
Of course they wouldn't stand by. But Madara is a crafty old man.
He'll probably target weaker villages and get them to join creating
strength in numbers. Eventually Madara is going to be a real threat.
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Think of it like this. 1. It wouldn't be expected 2. Did you see what the six paths of pain did...and that was 6 people 3. Anbu and The Foundation are
supposed to be the elite ninja. 4. there will be plenty of guerrilla warfare
5. They are more experience fighters it seems.

If Madara takes over Konoha the rest of the alliance will falter.
I still think there is a number problem. The Foundation are definitley elite, but let's assume total members would be the same as Tsunade's personal ANBU. Then there is still all the rest of ANBU and other jounin. And we've seen Kakashi easily put two members under genjutsu. Of course, Kakashi is former ANBU and probably better than any current member. We can assume most Foundation members are like Sai, which is strong, but not overwhelming. I think Foundation members would mostly be designed to be covert spies and assassins(you know like real ninja), that's Danzo's style. In otherwords, they probably couldn't win an all-out war.

Now a surprise attack would help. We can also assume very few Foundation members were injuried during the Pain attack since they were hiding, so that may help as well. Still, the best I can see is asymmetrical warfare used to weaken Konoha not take it over.
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I still think there is a number problem. The Foundation are definitley elite, but let's assume total members would be the same as Tsunade's personal ANBU. Then there is still all the rest of ANBU and other jounin. And we've seen Kakashi easy put two members under genjutsu. Of course, Kakashi is former ANBU and probably better than any current member. We can assume most Foundation members are like Sai, which is strong, but not overwhelming. I think Foundation members would mostly be designed to be covert spies and assassins(you know like real ninja), that's Danzo's style. In otherwords, they probably couldn't win an all-out war.

Now a surprise attack would help. We can also assume very few Foundation members were injuried during the Pain attack since they were hiding, so that may help as well. Still, the best I can see is asymmetrical warfare used to weaken Konoha not take it over.

Madara somehow became Mizukage. Whatever he did back then
he's going to do again.
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At first, I assume he took on another persona developed over many years. He can't do that it a reasonable amount of time.
Later, he controlled their Mizukage. Madara needs to control a Hokage. Maybe Kakashi?

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Madara will become Hokage by taking over The Foundation.
Madara will rule with an Iron Fist (and from how it blocked Suigetsu's sword. Perhaps literally). The Alliance will eventually falter to Madara's power. Sasuke might be the figure head Hokage but Madara will be
the "Man Behind the Curtain". Sasuke will be like Yagura Part 2.


Their will be a massive man-hunt to capture Naruto. Kakashi will be the
Hokage-in-exile (by the way this theory evolved from that one) But the
torch will be passed down to Naruto. Naruto in essence will become the
9th Hokage.


1st Hokage Hashirama Senju
2nd Hokage Tobirama Senju
3rd Hokage Hiruzen Sarutobi
4th Hokage Minato Namikaze
5th Hokage Tsunade
6th Hokage Danzo
7th Hokage Kakashi
8th Hokage Madara
9th Hokage Naruto


You thought the Pain Invasion was bad for Konoha?
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But so far from what we've seen, Shisui's eye can only control one person. Of course, Madara does have the advantage that he has already captured two of the highest rank. I guess the third is hunting Kabuto right now. I agree that if the rest of the Foundation is like Sai was, there would be no problem getting them to follow orders.

I still think only having the Foundation members probably wouldn't be enough to make a serious attack on Konoha. Unless you are suggesting Danzo's training method is much better than the rest of Konoha. I guess it could be a good distraction, paticularly if it's guerilla warfare. That way Madara and Sasuke can go after Naruto while everyone else is trying defend against a threat of unknown origin.
Also, isn't Sasuke just using the Akatsuki (which is just Madara and Zetsu now). I mean Sasuke will follow Madara's orders, we've seen that already, but to what extent? Unless Sasuke feels it will be benificial to his task, then I doubt he'll go along with it. Sasuke couldn't care less about Naruto, the kyubi, or any of the biju for that matter. I can't imaging him wanting to rule over Konoha either. He only wanted to kill Danzo and the elder's (I believe he later said he also wanted to destroy Konoha, but Pain beat him to it).

First, Sasuke just wated to avenge his clan and kill Itachi. Then he found out the truth about Itachi and now just wants to avenge him. Even though Madara is an Uchiha, I doubt Sasuke cares about him or his agenda and would kill him given the opportunity and the knowledge how to.
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At first, I assume he took on another persona developed over many years. He can't do that it a reasonable amount of time.
Later, he controled their Mizukage. Madara needs to control a Hokage. Maybe Kakashi?
Well I was expecting Sasuke to fulfill the Yagura role since Madara
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Also, isn't Sasuke just using the Akatsuki (which is just Madara and Zetsu now). I mean Sasuke will follow Madara's orders, we've seen that already, but to what extent? Unless Sasuke feels it will be benificial to his task, then I doubt he'll go along with it. Sasuke couldn't care less about Naruto, the kyubi, or any of the biju for that matter. I can't imaging him wanting to rule over Konoha either. He only wanted to kill Danzo and the elder's (I believe he later said he also wanted to destroy Konoha, but Pain beat him to it).

First, Sasuke just wated to avenge his clan and kill Itachi. Then he found out the truth about Itachi and now just wants to avenge him. Even though Madara is an Uchiha, I doubt Sasuke cares about him or his agenda and would kill him given the opportunity and the knowledge how to.
I'm hoping that Sasuke gets common sense and DOES betray Akatsuki
but it's not looking that way right now. Right now he's Madara's dog.

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Houyi was ordered to arch down 10 suns.
After that he became King.But a Tyrant.
Okay... Do you want me to interpret your cryptic message?
I assume the archer is Sasuke. So is he is going to be the Hokage? Obviously a tyrant because right now he is Sasuke the Insane. Edit: Never mind mrsticky already did.

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Yes, but how do you make Sasuke the Insane a Hokage, he is a worldwide criminal. Madara needs a Hokage that Konoha would accept, then he can control them.

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Okay... Do you want me to interpret your cryptic message?
I assume the archer is Sasuke. So is he is going to be the Hokage? Obviously a tyrant because right now he is Sasuke the Insane.

That's what it's looking like. I think Sasuke could actually go along with such a plan because it would help him get revenge. If he became a tyrant he could make an example of those who (he thinks) mistreated Uchiha.
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That's what it's looking like. I think Sasuke could actually go along with such a plan because it would help him get revenge. If he became a tyrant he could make an example of those who (he thinks) mistreated Uchiha.
Bah! You're quoting me too fast. What are you Kakashi to my Zabuza?
But how do you make Sasuke the Insane Hokage? Most kings only get that title after they become king.
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Bah! You're quoting me too fast. What are you Kakashi to my Zabuza?
But how do you make Sasuke the Insane Hokage? Most kings only get that title after they become king.

Hm that's a good question and well I've got no idea. I can't have ALL
the answers for Kishimoto, now can I?


Well even if my theory doesn't come true hopefully Kishimoto will
come up with something BETTER and not worse.

Oh and I think you were about to say something about...

Ox → Monkey → Hare → Rat → Boar → Rooster → Ox → Horse → Rooster → Rat → Tiger → Dog → Tiger → Snake → Ox → Sheep → Snake → Boar → Sheep → Rat → Monkey → Rooster → Dragon → Rooster → Ox → Horse → Sheep → Tiger → Snake → Boar → Rat → Monkey → Hare → Boar → Dragon → Sheep → Rat → Ox → Monkey → Rooster → Boar → Rat → Snake → Rooster


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Hm that's a good question and well I've got no idea. I can't have ALL
the answers for Kishimoto, now can I?


Well even if my theory doesn't come true hopefully Kishimoto will
come up with something BETTER and not worse.

Oh and I think you were about to say something about...

Ox → Monkey → Hare → Rat → Boar → Rooster → Ox → Horse → Rooster → Rat → Tiger → Dog → Tiger → Snake → Ox → Sheep → Snake → Boar → Sheep → Rat → Monkey → Rooster → Dragon → Rooster → Ox → Horse → Sheep → Tiger → Snake → Boar → Rat → Monkey → Hare → Boar → Dragon → Sheep → Rat → Ox → Monkey → Rooster → Boar → Rat → Snake → Rooster


That's the jutsu I was going to do, but mrsticky did it first. NOOOOO!

Oh wait, actually I was going to say the best Kishimoto coud have done is have Danzo split Konoha, but apparently that's too cool for him. Bet you didn't see that Haku edit coming.

Double Edit: Restoring mrsticky's cleverness.

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