In Defense of Danzo

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Thank you. Much appreciated even if I did this seven months ago.

Yes, Danzo isn't evil only ruthless.

What about how the Foundation is composed of orphans?
(Not all of them are orphans but many are according to Sai Shaft.)

Sure the obvious thing to think is "How cruel. Danzo is manipulating orphans."

But look at this way. If Danzo didn't take them what would have happened
to them? Even if they were "lucky" like Naruto their lives would still be
lonely and miserable and in Sasuke's case we can see that being a very
bad thing. Danzo is ruthless and therefore couldn't give them love.
But he gave them something else valuable. A purpose in life.
The purpose of the foundation is the mission: Protect the Leaf and Fire.
Now protecting the Hidden Leaf and the Land of Fire means two very
different things between Naruto and Danzo. Yet neither is wrong.
Danzo's idea of protecting Konoha and the Land of Fire is NOT just
protecting himself despite the impression he gives. Naruto is like
Pain had said "one who cannot see the forest for the trees" In
other words, Naruto sees the details. He sees the leaves.
The leaves represent each and every citizen of the land of Fire/Konoha.
Naruto wants to protect each and every last one of them on an one
to one basis. Yet the problem is that one cannot protect everyone.
Sacrifices are a part of life. Danzo sees the bigger picture and understands
the purpose of sacrifice. Danzo knows that in order for the forest to
thrive that some leaves must fall. In order for Konoha and the Land
of Fire to stand strong some of it's citizens must be sacrificed.
The problem with Naruto and Tsunade is that they are too hesitant
to make the necessary sacrifices. That's not to say they won't
make the sacrifices but they have trouble letting go. Danzo on
the other hand has the problem of making sacrifices too easily.
Danzo is willing to let anyone die for the sake of the whole
and that includes himself.

Danzo empowered the Foundation with his philosophy. Danzo took
away their emotion to be happy. But he also took away their
emotion to be sad. The Foundation do not have the burden
of bonds. It wasn't until meeting Naruto and Sakura did Sai
Shaft recognize his own bond with his brother. Without them
Sai Shaft would have probably think nothing of it. This is
the guy who said his "brother" died with a straight face.
It means nothing to him. Sakura saw this as cruel but
only because she understands bonds. Sai Shaft didn't.

Danzo is cruel but with a purpose. Danzo is cruel to the Foundation
because he knows the world is cruel. Danzo prepares the Foundation
for the cruelty of the world so that the naive Land of Fire citizens
never have to realize it. The will of fire, which is what Naruto
and Tsunade believe in does not prepare one for life's cruelty.
Naruto was able to battle through all of his adversity because
of his experience with loneliness. Being hated was his preparation.
Tsunade however pretty much mentally collapsed when faced
with the death of her lover and brother. Sai Shaft's best friend/brother
Shin died and Sai Shaft thinks nothing of it as Danzo had prepared
Sai Shaft for such cruelty. Danzo's way knows neither misery
nor happiness. Naruto's way knows both misery and happiness.

[Inuyasha]

They are a Secret Organization maybe they are like the Robin Hoods of Konaha's higher ups.

also there are many secrets he wants kept secret which is why he has marks on the tounges of his underlings (Sai) so that they can't divulge information.

Maybe he's secretly aiding Konaha like Itachi did because remember He and the other elders and 3rd Hokage had decided that being the only way to stop the Coupe that the Uchiha were planning was to have itachi eliminate them.

it was all benificial to the village's safety

they used itachi to stop a potential inside war in the making

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

They are a Secret Organization maybe they are like the Robin Hoods of Konaha's higher ups.

also there are many secrets he wants kept secret which is why he has marks on the tounges of his underlings (Sai) so that they can't divulge information.

Maybe he's secretly aiding Konaha like Itachi did because remember He and the other elders and 3rd Hokage had decided that being the only way to stop the Coupe that the Uchiha were planning was to have itachi eliminate them.

it was all benificial to the village's safety

they used itachi to stop a potential inside war in the making

Robin Hood? Steal from the rich and give to the poor?
Not sure how that relates to Danzo.

[Wooster]

So much truth in there, Sticky. We all remember what Haku said. That if you have no purpose in life and no one else see you, then you have no life. Foundation members have a very clear purpose. While they are not seen by most, they are seen as a vital tool to protect Konoha at least by other members.
Clearly Danzo's view is more collectivist. The whole matters the individual does not. If anything we could call Danzo's view Eastern and Naruto's Western.

Tsunade really can't deal with individual loss at all. It is her major weakness, and I think it effects her decisions. However, that's not to say that Naruto and Tsunade won't sacrifice. Both of them would sacrifice their own lives; however, sometimes that is not the right thing to do. Danzo understands that preserving his own life matters if there are things only he can do. It is what the Second Hokage taught him. Thus, sometimes others need to be sacrificed for the greater good.

This is not to say I would want to live in a world run by Danzo, but his methods cannot just be easily dismissed as evil and ignored. He is often right and is always consistent with his ideals if nothing else.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

So much truth in there, Sticky. We all remember what Haku said. That if you have no purpose in life and no one else see you, then you have no life. Foundation members have a very clear purpose. While they are not seen by most, they are seen as a vital tool to protect Konoha at least by other members.
Clearly Danzo's view is more collectivist. The whole matters the individual does not. If anything we could call Danzo's view Eastern and Naruto's Western.

Tsunade really can't deal with individual loss at all. It is her major weakness, and I think it effects her decisions. However, that's not to say that Naruto and Tsunade won't sacrifice. Both of them would sacrifice their own lives; however, sometimes that is not the right thing to do. Danzo understands that preserving his own life matters if there are things only he can do. It is what the Second Hokage taught him. Thus, sometimes others need to be sacrificed for the greater good.

This is not to say I would want to live in a world run by Danzo, but his methods cannot just be easily dismissed as evil and ignored. He is often right and is always consistent with his ideals if nothing else.

Yep. Tsunade and Naruto are willing to sacrifice their own lives.
But it's important to remember that so is Danzo willing to do the same.

Eastern vs Western? Interesting.
Kinda helps Naruto has blond hair and blue eyes.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Yep. Tsunade and Naruto are willing to sacrifice their own lives.
But it's important to remember that so is Danzo willing to do the same.

Eastern vs Western? Interesting.
Kinda helps Naruto has blond hair and blue eyes.

Yes, he does. He does not consider himself above sacrifice, after all the Shimura clan is know for its sacrifice. However, he knows not to throw his life away hastily.

That how I like to think of it. Naruto always believes in himself and thinks anything is possible. Yes, that does work out nicely. Perhaps a new thread?

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Yes, he does. He does not consider himself above sacrifice, after all the Shimura clan is know for its sacrifice. However, he knows not to throw his life away hastily.

That how I like to think of it. Naruto always believes in himself and thinks anything is possible. Yes, that does work out nicely. Perhaps a new thread?

Indeed perhaps.

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Robin Hood? Steal from the rich and give to the poor?
Not sure how that relates to Danzo.

ohh yea thats not the part i meant here exapmle


Robin hood works in secret but helps others out


Danzo works in secret but helps the village

[HinataBG]

You know, I used to hate Danzo before reading your post. But now that I have read it, he doesn't seem to be that bad of a character really. I mean yeah, there have been some instances that were terrible, but he really only wanted to do everything to help Konoha. I'm actually starting to like him a little! Thanks for clearing everything up!

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by HinataBG

You know, I used to hate Danzo before reading your post. But now that I have read it, he doesn't seem to be that bad of a character really. I mean yeah, there have been some instances that were terrible, but he really only wanted to do everything to help Konoha. I'm actually starting to like him a little! Thanks for clearing everything up!

This just made my day. My reasoning convinced someone.

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by Wooster

This just made my day. My reasoning convinced someone.

uhhh what about me it convinced me too

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Inuyasha

uhhh what about me it convinced me too

But I like grammar and caps too.

[Pain_man_who_became_god]

Danzo just stole sharingans for his power. he was a man who had his own selfish ambitions and they could have chose a better kage but hes still pretty cool to me with his tapir. A TAPIR? such a random and cool summon

[Inuyasha]

Originally Posted by Wooster

But I like grammar and caps too.

Well no one is perfect.

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by Pain_man_who_became_god

Danzo just stole sharingans for his power. he was a man who had his own selfish ambitions and they could have chose a better kage but hes still pretty cool to me with his tapir. A TAPIR? such a random and cool summon

We don't know that he stole them.
We do know it was to protect Konoha and control Naruto, which is not exactly selfish.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

We don't know that he stole them.
We do know it was to protect Konoha and control Naruto, which not exactly selfish.

TAPIRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!



BIT APPROVED!

[Wooster]

Tapir up. It's over.

[mrsticky005]

Originally Posted by Wooster

Tapir up. It's over.

Yep.

Tapirs > Slugs

[Wooster]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Yep.

Tapirs > Slugs

Tapirs eat slugs for breakfast.

[Space Cowboy Sasori]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

Robin Hood? Steal from the rich and give to the poor?
Not sure how that relates to Danzo.

Danzo is robin hood of Naruto.