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Old 12-05-2010, 02:31 AM   #1
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Well, since it's full knowledge, Itachi will surely avoid the Deva Path. He knows that the Deva Path can use Universal Pull, Shinra Tensei, and Chibaku Tensei, each attack taking little prep time. Also, he knows that if he kills even one Path, the Naraka path can resurrect them. If Itachi is smart, he will have to take out the Naraka Path first.

Pain on the other hand knows that Itachi has the infamous Mangekyo Sharingan. The Mangekyo Sharingan enables the user to use the Tsukuyomi, the Amaterasu, and the Susano'o. He also knows each of the jutsus strengths and weaknesses.

Even though Itachi can use Tsukuyomi, there is no proof from the Manga that he can use it on multiple victims at once. Also, even if Itachi uses the Amaterasu and manages to hit one of them, the Naraka Path can resurrect them, while the other Paths avoids the flame, and speedbltizes Itachi. Susano'o is completely useless, because if Itachi uses that attack, then Pain uses CT. I extremely doubt Itachi's Susano'o is strong enough to deal with a multi mountain busting attack.

Overall, Pein wins this.
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Well, since it's full knowledge, Itachi will surely avoid the Deva Path. He knows that the Deva Path can use Universal Pull, Shinra Tensei, and Chibaku Tensei, each attack taking little prep time. Also, he knows that if he kills even one Path, the Naraka path can resurrect them. If Itachi is smart, he will have to take out the Naraka Path first.

Pain on the other hand knows that Itachi has the infamous Mangekyo Sharingan. The Mangekyo Sharingan enables the user to use the Tsukuyomi, the Amaterasu, and the Susano'o. He also knows each of the jutsus strengths and weaknesses.

Even though Itachi can use Tsukuyomi, there is no proof from the Manga that he can use it on multiple victims at once. Also, even if Itachi uses the Amaterasu and manages to hit one of them, the Naraka Path can resurrect them, while the other Paths avoids the flame, and speedbltizes Itachi. Susano'o is completely useless, because if Itachi uses that attack, then Pain uses CT. I extremely doubt Itachi's Susano'o is strong enough to deal with a multi mountain busting attack.

Overall, Pein wins this.
I agree. Unless of course Itachi destroys Deva and Nakara at start with Amy. Which is possible, considering Deva's speed is divided by how many paths are currently active.

Though I still believe Itachi is the fastest character in the manga with lightning bolt reaction speed, the most outstanding reaction feature. Aside from A's Amy reaction speed.
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Itachi is not the fastest character in Manga when it comes to running speed. He's not the fastest character in Manga when it comes to reaction speed either. A dodged the Amaterasu which is instant. Naruto speedblitzed the Asura Path, whom speedblitzed Jiraiya. And we all know there are quite a few people who are faster than Itachi.
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Itachi is not the fastest character in Manga when it comes to running speed. He's not the fastest character in Manga when it comes to reaction speed either. A dodged the Amaterasu which is instant. Naruto speedblitzed the Asura Path, whom speedblitzed Jiraiya. And we all know there are quite a few people who are faster than Itachi.
Asura did not speed blitz Jiraiya, he ambushed him from point blank with surprise. Asura was also raped by Kakashi, whom is much slower than Jiraiya. Because Jiraiya was so godlike Asura was only able to get his arm.

Amy is not instant, nor is it faster than a lightning bolt. Sorry.

It's the most outstanding reaction feature thus far in the entire manga.
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Asura did not speed blitz Jiraiya, he ambushed him from point blank with surprise. Asura was also raped by Kakashi, whom is much slower than Jiraiya.

Amy is not instant, nor is it faster than a lightning bolt. Sorry.

It's the most outstanding reaction feature thus far in the entire manga.
In other words, Asura speedblitzed Jiraiya. Jiraiya didn't had enough time to react to Asura's speed, and therefore, was speedblitzed. No he wasn't. Asura took the blow for the Deva Path. Besides, Asura dodged Kakashi's Raikiri with relative ease, without looking at it.

Then it's near instant, and it's faster than a lightning bolt. Try again.

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In other words, Asura speedblitzed Jiraiya. Jiraiya didn't had enough time to react to Asura's speed, and therefore, was speedblitzed. No he wasn't. Asura took the blow for the Deva Path. Besides, Asura dodged Kakashi's Raikiri with relative ease, without looking at it.

Then it's near instant, and it's faster than a lightning bolt. Try again.

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In other words, Jiraiya thought he raped Pain, as he did rape 3 paths with one fodder genjutsu.

Jiraiya took his guard down, and was snuck from behind, not speed blitzed.

A lightning bolt's sequence of travel is not even visible on the most advanced cameras in the world currently. As Sasuke said, it's literally 100/1 the speed of sound. That means faster than supersonic. Which is what A is, and he reacted to Amy with ease. You fail.

Going by your logic, since Amy is instant, he can destroy Deva at start, and then rape the rest of the paths with Susano.
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In other words, Jiraiya thought he raped Pain, as he did rape 3 paths with one fodder genjutsu.

Jiraiya took his guard down, and was snuck from behind, not speed blitzed.

A lightning bolt's sequence of travel is not even visible on the most advanced cameras in the world currently. As Sasuke said, it's literally 100/1 the speed of sound. That means faster than supersonic. Which is what A is, and he reacted to Amy with ease. You fail.

Going by your logic, since Amy is instant, he can destroy Deva at start, and then rape the rest of the paths with Susano.
Those 3 Paths weren't Asura.

In other words, he was speedblitzed.

Nope, it was Zetsu who stated that is't 100 the speed of sound. Which in other words, Mach 100. If you look at someone in the eye, with your Amaterasu activated, the flames will reach to them almost instantly. A is Supersonic+, not Supersonic. Also, the Amaterasu that Sasuke used reacted to A's speed. A reacted to the Amaterasu which is much faster than Kirin, because it's almost instant. You fail nicely.

Wrong again. Naraka Path resurrects Deva Path. He would need to take out Naraka Path first, and by that time, he gets speedblitzed.
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In other words, he was speedblitzed.
In other words, if you think speedblitzing is the same as getting behind an opponent, YOU are, in fact, the one that fails.

But to contribute to the thread, Itachi is fast and powerful (and I won't take the time to say just how fast and powerful he is), but Pain has six bodies to keep him nicely occupied. Susano'o, with the Mirror of Yata, could arguably tank anything Pain has, but not for long. Eventually, the Mangekyou will take its harsh toll on him, and Pain will have a great opening.

So Pain wins with mild/moderate difficulty.
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Those 3 Paths weren't Asura.

In other words, he was speedblitzed.

Nope, it was Zetsu who stated that is't 100 the speed of sound. Which in other words, Mach 100. If you look at someone in the eye, with your Amaterasu activated, the flames will reach to them almost instantly. A is Supersonic+, not Supersonic. Also, the Amaterasu that Sasuke used reacted to A's speed. A reacted to the Amaterasu which is much faster than Kirin, because it's almost instant. You fail nicely.

Wrong again. Naraka Path resurrects Deva Path. He would need to take out Naraka Path first, and by that time, he gets speedblitzed.
You just completely negated my entire arguement without even looking at it. I stated he sneaked him from behind at point blank, you said he was speed blitzed. This feature is a fail.

Itachi being speed blitzed? Kakashi wouldn't get blitzed with all path's out, their foot speed is extremely slow when Negato's chakra is being divided by 6. Hence why Deva used CT instead of trying to blitz. Kakashi reacted to it.

You're one of the most ignorant and dolt debaters I've ever conversed with. On multiple threads I've listed speed features, and you completely negate them.

Once again, instant suggests the speed of absolutely no time. Which is impossible. Speed = distance/time.

I guarantee a lightning bolt is faster than any other speed feature you can think of on this earth.

100/1, meaning 100x the speed of sound. A lightning bolt is literally the only thing that could ever reach that speed. Other than light itself.

Amy is based on the user's reaction speed and eye movement. Sasuke used it on A, not Itachi.

The funny thing about it is the fact Itachi was literally able to aim and only burn Sasuke's arm, instead of killing him. While Sasuke was running sideways at full speed. That suggests expert eye speed.
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In other words, if you think speedblitzing is the same as getting behind an opponent, YOU are, in fact, the one that fails.

But to contribute to the thread, Itachi is fast and powerful (and I won't take the time to say just how fast and powerful he is), but Pain has six bodies to keep him nicely occupied. Susano'o, with the Mirror of Yata, could arguably tank anything Pain has, but not for long. Eventually, the Mangekyou will take its harsh toll on him, and Pain will have a great opening.

So Pain wins with mild/moderate difficulty.
Speedblitzing means that you attack an opponent with such speed, the person doesn't have time to react. Even if he was cought off guard, he saw Asura coming, but didn't have to time to react to his speed. Therefore, he was speedblitz. You fail at logic.

Give me proof that the Susano'o can tank a multi mountain busting attack. Until then, don't make false assumptions of "Susano'o could arguably tank anything Pain has."
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Speedblitzing means that you attack an opponent with such speed, the person doesn't have time to react. Even if he was cought off guard, he saw Asura coming, but didn't have to time to react to his speed. Therefore, he was speedblitz. You fail at logic.

Give me proof that the Susano'o can tank a multi mountain busting attack. Until then, don't make false assumptions of "Susano'o could arguably tank anything Pain has."
No, in fact, he didn't see Asura coming.

Also, the Mirror of Yata has been stated to repel any attack. Now, that's just character dialogue, so that's why I said "arguably"

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No, in fact, he didn't see Asura coming.

Also, the Mirror of Yata has been stated to repel any attack. Now, that's just character dialogue, so that's why I said "arguably"

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Good point. Too bad he got speedblitzed either way.

And? Without proof from the Manga, stating that the Mirror of Yata can repel any attack is a No Limits Fallacy.
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Good point. Too bad he got speedblitzed either way.

And? Without proof from the Manga, stating that the Mirror of Yata can repel any attack is a No Limits Fallacy.
Once again, you fail as a debater.

Ignorant, and completely wrong.

Speed blitzing suggests he clearly had a view of the attack, and his current reaction/foot speed wasn't enough to counter.

He was ambushed from behind at point blank.

Don't bring this feature up again.
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Full knowledge means no successful genjutsu.

It also means that Itachi knows which paths to take out, although it would be hard for him to do so because of Pain's speed and the fact that he does formations and such.

And whatever Itachi does, he can't block Chibaku Tensei. Susanoo will do nothing to it, he still gets stuck there.

Also you shouldn't use that feat of Asura "blitzing" Jiraiya because Jiraiya didn't even know he was there. He was totally caught off guard and it wouldn't count as a blitz.
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Once again, you fail as a debater.

Ignorant, and completely wrong.

Speed blitzing suggests he clearly had a view of the attack, and his current reaction/foot speed wasn't enough to counter.

He was ambushed from behind at point blank.

Don't bring this feature up again.
What trolling really necessary?

Speedblitzing is when you attack someone with such speed, they have NO time to react. If Asura was running much slower, even if Jiraiya was caught off guard, we would've been able to stop Asura and react to him.

Same thing as being speedblitzed.

Too bad I already brung up the feature again.
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Hmm isn't Itachi capable of using Genjutsu with only pointing his finger at his target? If that's the case he could catch Naraka path under his genjutsu and finish him off.
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The name of that is Ephemeral.
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The name of that is Ephemeral.
How did Naruto get out again?
When Naruto got trapped in it, the rest of Team Kakashi (minus Sai, I think) was there and Sakura broke him out.
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Hmm isn't Itachi capable of using Genjutsu with only pointing his finger at his target? If that's the case he could catch Naraka path under his genjutsu and finish him off.
Catching one path won't be the downfall of all of them, it's not like Frog Song which can be heard all around.

Besides, Naraka is at the back of the formation, and they wouldn't let Itachi get there too easily. They have knowledge on that finger pointing genjutsu too, so they could keep their distance.
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