Dosu v.s. Kabuto

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag1

The thing is Land Of Waves Sasuke showed faster than eye which is 200 mph or above here and there in the bridge fight.

It will go only go up from there. Unless with few exceptions like pre - chouji because of what he is. Dosu is not even a fast character.

And Orochimaru casually showed 200 mph movement when he was toying with Sasuke in the Forest.

Why are you speaking about Sasuke?

My point is simple, Kabuto cannot be compared to Orochimaru or Tsunade in base movement.

My other point- Sasuke, Neji, Lee, Kiba, Shikamaru and Temari are the only genin who've shown the ability to move that quickly.

Kakashi is faster then the eye can see, and he is Jonin.

Power scaling means nothing, every genin trains in a different area. If you're long ranged ninja, you don't move 200 mph.

Choji is not the only exception, Hinata, Shino, Kankuro, Ino, Sakura, Naruto, and Gaara at genin level have not shown this speed. Alongside with the sound genin, and rain genin.

[321zigzag1]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

Why are you speaking about Sasuke?

My point is simple, Kabuto cannot be compared to Orochimaru or Tsunade in base movement.

My other point- Sasuke, Neji, Lee and Kiba are the only genin who've shown the ability to move that quickly.

Kakashi is faster then the eye can see, and he is Jonin.

Power scaling means nothing, every genin trains in a different area. If you're long ranged ninja, you don't move 200 mph.

Choji is not the only exception, Hinata, Shino, Kankuro, Ino, Sakura, Naruto, and Gaara at genin level have not shown this speed. Alongside with the sound genin, and rain genin.

All ninjas can move faster than eye can see at least chunin or higher. Shunshin no jutsu or others such.

Powerscaling does play some role. A Jounin is way likely to be faster than a genin with few exception such as because a jounin has in generalilty greater strength and speed and such.

At the bolded yes they have through shunshin at least.

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag1

All ninjas can move faster than eye can see at least chunin or higher. Shunshin no jutsu or others such.

Powerscaling does play some role. A Jounin is way likely to be faster than a genin with few exception such as because a jounin has in generalilty greater strength and speed and such.

At the bolded yes they have through shunshin at least.

Power scale all you wish, but in actuality there are more than a few genin capable of defeating Jonin with speed blitzing and pure strength.

Case- Sound 5 roflstomped.

[321zigzag1]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

Power scale all you wish, but in actuality there are more than a few genin capable of defeating Jonin with speed blitzing and pure strength.

Case- Sound 5 roflstomped.

Powerscaling within Logical bounds is within necessity other wise you get strange conclusions time to time pure feats alone.

There is a reason why almost everyone uses it. Feats are prevalent with logical powerscaling taking up the rear back influence. Its pretty much of standard norm of that makes sense.

The only genin who has shown powerful speed blitzing a Jounin or higher would be Lee thats it with gates and weightless Lee to a lesser degreee.

Rofl Stomped? Not exactly.

Also it was Sound 4. The sound 4 admitted that they had to go CS2 to finish this and win this and they were later somewhat exhausted and had to take a break.

My previous statement with Jounin still stands.

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag1

Powerscaling within Logical bounds is within necessity other wise you get strange conclusions time to time pure feats alone.

There is a reason why almost everyone uses it. Feats are prevalent with logical powerscaling taking up the rear back influence. Its pretty much of standard norm of that makes sense.

The only genin who has shown powerful speed blitzing a Jounin or higher would be Lee thats it with gates and weightless Lee to a lesser degreee.

Rofl Stomped? Not exactly.

Also it was Sound 4. The sound 4 admitted that they had to go CS2 to finish this and win this and they were later somewhat exhausted and had to take a break.

My previous statement with Jounin still stands.

Yes, but your statement about Genin is incorrect.

Dosu, in fact, is not 200 mph or faster. And there are only a select few genin capable of reaching that speed.

Speed does not go along with power scaling. Having special abilities can rise you in rank, not just speed.

There are many cases where the underdog rank defeats the power scaled ninja.

Ive seen you debate before using this theory. Genins do not move that fast, the only ones capable of that were the ones who relied and trianed in Taijutsu, or were Uchiha geniuses.

It's crazy to automaticly think someone can move that quickly if they haven't even shown that ability, simply by reputation or by power scaling.

[321zigzag1]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

Yes, but your statement about Genin is incorrect.

Dosu, in fact, is not 200 mph or faster. And there are only a select few genin capable of reaching that speed.

Speed does not go along with power scaling. Having special abilities can rise you in rank, not just speed.

There are many cases where the underdog rank defeats the power scaled ninja.

Ive seen you debate before using this theory. Genins do not move that fast, the only ones capable of that were the ones who relied and trianed in Taijutsu, or were Uchiha geniuses.

It's crazy to automaticly think someone can move that quickly if they haven't even shown that ability, simply by reputation or by power scaling.

Its called shunshin no jutsu with that boom faster than eye speed. Even if you are going to argue about that with genin thing at least for Chunin.

Still Land of Waves showed that easily so I used that is ground base for comparison for slower and faster.

Speed doesn't go with powerscaling? What is this? Of course it does, well not 100% but it still follows in GENERAL in some sense. Jounin are jounin because of their basic abilities are good enough to be there.

Like I said in generality a Jounin is a lot faster, stronger, and have more stamina than a genin with few excpetions.

I am not only one to use argue that or somewhere around that. Because much of its makes sense. And also I don't use powerscaling as much there. I use feats from characters and the comparisons with others mostly.

With shunshin no jutsu I say it is within possibility. Plus with that logic I can argue that LEe and Gai is the fastest characters in Narutoverse in base which they are not.

Also I should have mentioned this earlier, I rely on powerscaling more on last resort type as I mainly try to use feats and comparisons with other characters such as this character fights this character.

[[Shikamaru]]

Originally Posted by 321zigzag1

Its called shunshin no jutsu with that boom faster than eye speed. Even if you are going to argue about that with genin thing at least for Chunin.

Still Land of Waves showed that easily so I used that is ground base for comparison for slower and faster.

Speed doesn't go with powerscaling? What is this? Of course it does, well not 100% but it still follows in GENERAL in some sense. Jounin are jounin because of their basic abilities are good enough to be there.

Like I said in generality a Jounin is a lot faster, stronger, and have more stamina than a genin with few excpetions.

I am not only one to use argue that or somewhere around that. Because much of its makes sense. And also I don't use powerscaling as much there. I use feats from characters and the comparisons with others mostly.

With shunshin no jutsu I say it is within possibility. Plus with that logic I can argue that LEe and Gai is the fastest characters in Narutoverse in base which they are not.

Also I should have mentioned this earlier, I rely on powerscaling more on last resort type as I mainly try to use feats and comparisons with other characters such as this character fights this character.

Generally doesn't mean solid fact.

It's clear that Dosu cannot run that quickly.

Unless you have proof that the ninja has shown the speed capable of those standards, I don't take power scaling seriously.

Remember, in debates we use facts. Not assumptions due to ranks and reputation.

Data books go along with power scaling, but in reality, most of the characters have not shown the feats in the manga that they possess in the data books. Which is why I 'Generally' think they are garbage.

[321zigzag1]

Originally Posted by [Shikamaru]

Generally doesn't mean solid fact.

It's clear that Dosu cannot run that quickly.

Unless you have proof that the ninja has shown the speed capable of those standards, I don't take power scaling seriously.

Remember, in debates we use facts. Not assumptions due to ranks and reputation.

Data books go along with power scaling, but in reality, most of the characters have not shown the feats in the manga that they possess in the data books. Which is why I 'Generally' think they are garbage.

He can with shunshin, and he did that when he attacked Kabuto.

With speed, I rely much less on powerscaling with more on comparison with fights and feats from there. Powerscaling which I should have mentioned earlier, is used mostly last resort type and many do anyway.

However like my statement with Jounin, that isn't wrong because it within general logical fact.

Databooks have contradictions which renders them in many cases useless. Such as Hidan is 3.5/5?

Kimimaro is 4.5/5?

Kakuzu being 4/5