Zetsu. Is. Not. Dead. Get it right!

[mrsticky005]

Zetsu won't die until he's fried...courtesy of Sasuke.

[jesse uzumaki]

zetsu not dead until he gives a real battle and dies cool not so easy and fast.

[Shika-fiend]

I don't think Zetsu is dead.

[mrsticky005]

zetsu not dead until he gives a real battle

That will be Sasuke vs Zetsu. winner Sasuke. how amaterasu

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by mrsticky005

zetsu not dead until he gives a real battle

That will be Sasuke vs Zetsu. winner Sasuke. how amaterasu

Actually, Sasuke already has too much screentime. I'd rather think Zetsu's epic fight would be with Kakashi, Jugo, or Kakashi and Jugo.

[Kizomaru Yukimoto]

Not dead. Just talks to himself. xD

[C4 Karura]

Originally Posted by deidara330

I still have yet to see a point which offers legitimate proof on the nature of Zetsu's death, or lack thereof. Your main points are that it wasn't as propagated as most deaths, but this does nothing to prove that he's alive.

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[deidara330]

S***. I just made a really long post responding to this, and then it gave me an "error" message. My point was, I want to have a debate on this. Also, I'm adding some more points to my original message:

• No matter how weak/unimportant a Akatsuki member is (which I don't think Zetsu is, but some people do), they are never killed in one small panel.

True, none so far have had a death that didn't take up at least an entire page. But saying so does nothing to prove that Zetsu is currently alive.


Yeah, it isn't "proof", I'm just saying that it's highly unlikely that a pretty important character would be killed in such a minor way.

But it isn't proof.

• Whenever it's not totally certain that a manga character is dead, they are almost always alive.

Invasion of Pain Arc, many people debating Kakashi was undead because the death created uncetainty in them. Pain revived him at the end, proving that he was at that time dead. If Zetsu is later revived, it proves that he was certainly dead after the Raikage snapped his neck.

I didn't say that it's always true. I just that it's typical of manga to do so.

It usually is typical, but it isn't always true.

• I liked the point SasukeFallen made:

• 
  Why didn't you counter this one?

I didn't feel like it.

• Also, Madara needs as many people as possible for Gedo Mazo. Even though he would definitely sacrafice Zetsu if it would help him, I don't think Madara would sacrafice one of the few remaining Akatsuki members which he needs so badly just to cause a panic.

That one event left every single Kage weakened, and it allowed Madara to guage the strengths and weaknesses of over 15 of the strongest ninja alive. It had more purpose than causing a panic.


Hmmm... This is actually a pretty good point. Still, he's a genius! Couldn't he find a way to do this that didn't require him losing one of the few chakra sources he has left?

He still has Black Zetsu, and he already talked about finding a replacement. Zetsu served a good enough purpose.

Besides that, Black Zetsu could just as easily work with Gedo Mazo the same way they did together.

Yes, he could still preform the jutsu, but, until we learn otherwise, we have to assume that Black Zetsu and White Zetsu have the same amount of chakra. Therfore, if we count Zetsu as one person, Madara's losing half the chakra of one of the three he has left.

Well, Black Zetsu could replinish this chakra through Hotoshi no Jutsu. Besides that, if you could notice White Zetsu slowly grew back the body parts he lost from splitting. We can assume the same goes for Black Zetsu, and that he's being restored as well. This would restore Black Zetsu's Keirakukei (is that how it's spelled? The chakra network) to that of both Zetsu's combined. Madara would have all the chakra he needed back.

Also, sorry, I forgot about the spoiler. I don't make threads that often.

Responses in Bold Again.

[mrsticky005]

Actually, Sasuke already has too much screentime. I'd rather think Zetsu's epic fight would be with Kakashi, Jugo, or Kakashi and Jugo.


I'm not saying this fight will happen because I want it to happen.
I'm saying it will happen because of Chapter 453 in which Sasuke
says about Zetsu "If he tries anything funny I'll just fry him with amaterasu.
Besides there's something I've been wanting to test out."
Then later Zetsu does betray Sasuke by revealing his location to Danzo.

There could be a more obvious foreshadowing than this unless Kishimoto
wrote at the manga chapter "Guess what folks!? Sasuke will fight Zetsu soon!"

Nobody argues that Sasuke vs Naruto will fight when Madara said that
(though personally I don't think it will be to the death and it will eventually
change to Naruto and Sasuke vs Madara).

Sasuke vs Zetsu will happen. Sasuke will win. With Amaterasu.

[C4 Karura]

Originally Posted by deidara330

But it isn't proof.
So what you're saying is, it's pretty likely I'm right, but it's not 100%?


It usually is typical, but it isn't always true.
Same response as above


I didn't feel like it.
Alright.


He still has Black Zetsu, and he already talked about finding a replacement. Zetsu served a good enough purpose.

Besides that, Black Zetsu could just as easily work with Gedo Mazo the same way they did together.
Hmm... Good point. You win this argument.


Well, Black Zetsu could replinish this chakra through Hotoshi no Jutsu. Besides that, if you could notice White Zetsu slowly grew back the body parts he lost from splitting. We can assume the same goes for Black Zetsu, and that he's being restored as well. This would restore Black Zetsu's Keirakukei (is that how it's spelled? The chakra network) to that of both Zetsu's combined. Madara would have all the chakra he needed back.
What's Hotoshi no Jutsu?

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[minoto]

i dont believe you guys but could black zetsu function on its own but yeah white zetsu is not dead even though everybody is saying he is

[Tekkai]

He should still be alive.

[deidara330]

So what you're saying is, it's pretty likely I'm right, but it's not 100%?

What I'm saying is, for the purpose of debating Zetsu's death and death only, the specific points I countered cannot prove in any way, shape, or form, that Zetsu is actually 100% for certain alive. Masashi Kishimoto may create a jutsu or technique within the manga that allows Zetsu to come back to life, but there is no doubt in my mind that White Zetsu is, at the moment, dead.

What's Hotoshi no Jutsu?

It's the spore jutsu Zetsu used on the Kages. He could replinesh his own chakra with it.

[mrsticky005]

Zetsu is still alive because he hasn't been fried by Sasuke's amaterasu yet.

[C4 Karura]

Originally Posted by deidara330

What I'm saying is, for the purpose of debating Zetsu's death and death only, the specific points I countered cannot prove in any way, shape, or form, that Zetsu is actually 100% for certain alive. Masashi Kishimoto may create a jutsu or technique within the manga that allows Zetsu to come back to life, but there is no doubt in my mind that White Zetsu is, at the moment, dead.

What's Hotoshi no Jutsu? It's the spore jutsu Zetsu used on the Kages. He could replinesh his own chakra with it.

Hmmm.... So should we agree that:

• He's probably alive.
• He might be dead.
• If he is dead, he will be healed with some unknown jutsu/some varient on the Spore Jutsu.

Can we agree on this and end the argument?

[Naruto2921]

I 100% completely agree White Zetsu is not dead he has been at every battle and studies how people fight. I can guarantee he has some awesome abilities there is no way he will be defeated so easily

[Parak111]

I also agree. There's no way that the white part of Zetsu is dead. He IS a member of the Akatsuki afterall,and even if it was the Raikage, he can't be killed so easy. He just got there,got his neck crushed and Game Over. That was just way toooo easy. I'm sure that he will turn out to be alive.

[ninja05]

Originally Posted by yondaime

I knew White Zetsu wasn't dead and I thought everyone knew that....

I knew that too...

[deidara330]

Originally Posted by C4 Karura

Hmmm.... So should we agree that:

• He's probably alive.
• He might be dead.
• If he is dead, he will be healed with some unknown jutsu/some varient on the Spore Jutsu.

Can we agree on this and end the argument?

He is dead, that is something I am certain of. I will agree that he may be resurrected with an as of yet unkown jutsu or technique, but for the moment he is dead. My argument never suggested he wouldn't be brought back to life, but simply that he wasn't alive at all.

[assassin]

no he is not dead...like everyone said