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Old 11-14-2009, 02:55 PM   #1
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Default Zetsu. Is. Not. Dead. Get it right!

Alright, I've noticed a lot of people who seem to think that White Zetsu was killed by Raikage. He wasn't. There are several reasons why this is not true.

1) Akatsuki members are never killed off that fast. Let's look at the Akatsuki deaths so far:
  • Sasori: Took an 11-chapter fight to be defeated. Wasn't killed until he had shown his full abilities and had some backstory shown.
  • Hidan: Took an 8-chapter fight to be defeated. Wasn't killed until he had his full abilities shown.
  • Kakuzu: Took an 11-chapter fight to be defeated. Wasn't killed until he had (presumably) his full abilities shown.
  • Diedera: Took an 8-chapter fight to be defeated. Wasn't killed until he had his full abilities and one flashback shown.
  • Itachi: Took a 8-chapter fight before he died from his disease. Wasn't killed until his full abilities (we think) and some massive backstory were shown, as well as some more massive backstory shortly after he died.
  • Nagato/Pain: Took 13 chapters of fighting plus 7 chapters of talking/backstory before he died.
Let's take a look at Zetsu, and what it would look like if he had, in fact, died.
  • Zetsu: Took 4 pages to be killed. Showed almost no abilities, with almost nothing known about his character.
One of the few remaining Akatsuki wouldn't be gotten rid of so easily, even if his other half remained.

2) The Spore Jutsu. Let's say that White Zetsu is seriously injured/comatose. Then Black Zetsu could probably rejoin with him and then do some version of the Spore Jutsu that gave Sasuke more chakra to heal White Zetsu.

3) Madara's not an idiot. Why would he send one the few remaining Akatsuki to a place where they had no chance of surviving just to let the Kages know Sasuke was there? Clearly, Madara knows of something that can heal White Zetsu. (Possibly the thing from Reason 2?)

Clearly, White Zetsu wasn't killed. *prepares for the people who will ignore logic and insist he's dead anyway*
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Perhaps if she had Shikamaru's intelligence then she wouldn't have to waste all those weapons.

Unless I'm mistaken the only character she beat was herself. :/
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Old 11-14-2009, 03:03 PM   #2
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You said several reasons and you only gave 3 XD


But you never know, and I see what your going at
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Default Re: Zetsu. Is. Not. Dead. Get it right!

It's obvious White Zetsu isn't dead, it was too easy, even if he was, it would only be half of Zetsu that is dead.
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Spoiler:
It has been proven in the manga that white-half Zetsu is alive.

He then proceeds to use an incredibly awesome jutsu and annoy the heck out of everyone.... like a boss.
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This is pretty much what I've been saying.


Zetsu won't die until Sasuke uses Amaterasu and make Zetsu fry!
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You said several reasons and you only gave 3 XD


But you never know, and I see what your going at
I thought three counted as "several"...
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Perhaps if she had Shikamaru's intelligence then she wouldn't have to waste all those weapons.

Unless I'm mistaken the only character she beat was herself. :/
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Sasuke vs Zetsu.
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Yesh.
Expect Sasuke to get haxed.

Sorry but Sasuke will fry Zetsu with Amaterasu.

Expect it. Because it will happen.
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Wow, a total shutout on the poll. I'd seen several people who were so convinced Zetsu was dead, so I expected to see a few people who come on the thread and told me I was an idiot for disagreeing with their opinion. I guess I convinced them all I was right (or they just haven't seen the thread yet).
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Perhaps if she had Shikamaru's intelligence then she wouldn't have to waste all those weapons.

Unless I'm mistaken the only character she beat was herself. :/
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I knew White Zetsu wasn't dead and I thought everyone knew that....
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i thought he wasnt dead but so many people told me he was i started to think he actually had died.
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Dude there was never apart where he was even close to dieing..
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Alright, I've noticed a lot of people who seem to think that White Zetsu was killed by Raikage. He wasn't. There are several reasons why this is not true.



1) Akatsuki members are never killed off that fast. Let's look at the Akatsuki deaths so far:
  • Sasori: Took an 11-chapter fight to be defeated. Wasn't killed until he had shown his full abilities and had some backstory shown.
  • Hidan: Took an 8-chapter fight to be defeated. Wasn't killed until he had his full abilities shown.
  • Kakuzu: Took an 11-chapter fight to be defeated. Wasn't killed until he had (presumably) his full abilities shown.
  • Diedera: Took an 8-chapter fight to be defeated. Wasn't killed until he had his full abilities and one flashback shown.
  • Itachi: Took a 8-chapter fight before he died from his disease. Wasn't killed until his full abilities (we think) and some massive backstory were shown, as well as some more massive backstory shortly after he died.
  • Nagato/Pain: Took 13 chapters of fighting plus 7 chapters of talking/backstory before he died.
Let's take a look at Zetsu, and what it would look like if he had, in fact, died.
  • Zetsu: Took 4 pages to be killed. Showed almost no abilities, with almost nothing known about his character.
One of the few remaining Akatsuki wouldn't be gotten rid of so easily, even if his other half remained.

This proves nothing. Sasori, Hidan, and Kakuzu all died in the same Story Arc that they were introduced in. Zetsu was introduced in the Sasuke Retrieval Arc, and "died" in the Five Kage Arc. That's more screentime (or equivalent to the screentime) than any other Akatsuki member has, save Kisame. Not all bad guys deserve spectacular deaths. This doesn't actually offer legitimate proof of Zetsu's condition.



2) The Spore Jutsu. Let's say that White Zetsu is seriously injured/comatose. Then Black Zetsu could probably rejoin with him and then do some version of the Spore Jutsu that gave Sasuke more chakra to heal White Zetsu.

If the point of this thread is to prove to people that White Zetsu isn't dead, then this doesn't help you. To have proof, you have to state something that actually occured in the manga. White Zetsu's neck was snapped, and, if you look at a few chapters ago, he was stabbed in the head. He was dead, not comatose. Giving chakra to a dead person can't bring them back to life.


3) Madara's not an idiot. Why would he send one the few remaining Akatsuki to a place where they had no chance of surviving just to let the Kages know Sasuke was there? Clearly, Madara knows of something that can heal White Zetsu. (Possibly the thing from Reason 2?)

Clearly, White Zetsu wasn't killed. *prepares for the people who will ignore logic and insist he's dead anyway*
Madara isn't an idiot. I doubt that anyone who's been alive for possibly 100+ years could be idiotic. But Madara is cruel, and moreover uncaring for people other than himself. He would certainly sacrifice someone with so little skill as Zetsu just to let the Kages know of Sasuke's location. Besides this, that one moment stirred up panic and confusion that lasted ten+ chapters. Madara wanted to test Sasuke's skills up against those of the five great shadows. This could never have happened otherwise, because Sasuke (cautious person as he is) would never allow interferance in the battle that would decide the fate of the (next-to) last remaining Uchiha alive. Zetsu's disruption also served the purpose of leaving all five kages weakened, allowing Madara to appear in front of them without fear of defeat. There isn't much actual proof or logic behind your reasonings, only that his death wasn't spectacular enough to have been true. I have no doubt that Zetsu may be brought back to life for the purpose of the plot, but until proven otherwise, I believe Zetsu to be dead.

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There are two possablities here, and I see proof for both:

(White)Zetsu is dead:
-He got a Kunai through the head
-His neck was snapped/throat crushed by Raikage
-He seemed to served his purpose, distracting the kage's and there body gaurds at just the right time to allow Sasuke to enter.(Though some view it as zetsu betraying Sasuke, by alerting them when Sasuke wanted to surprise attack, taking out Danzo)

Besides, who's to say the black Zetsu can't function w/o the white?

(White)Zetsu is alive: Sort of, but not like everyone thinks.
-I think it's possable that the white Zetsu will apear once again, but by regeneration, not just somehow 'not being dead' after the things listed above. That Zetsu is surely a goner, IMO. There's two way's I see this happening:

1)The black half will apear in th land of Iron, and go to his white half. He may somehow 'fuse' back with it, there for 'undoing' the jutsu(the split), and that may bring back the white one.

2)The black half may simply regrow the white half. Think about it, he is a plant-man. Therefor white Zetsu would be back by association. It might take awhile, or he may have to go back for a sample of it to grow, but it could happen. It might be one of the abilities that Madara kept him around for. He maybe able to 'play possum'.

Besides, I think it would be kind of dumb for Kishi to make Zetsu so defeatable, when he's been around so long, making cameo apearences whenever something big goes down. That and we havn't even found out about the ability to record what he sees, as alluded to by Madara. This makes me think that there is still more to know about him, and that making him completly half defeated already would be dumb.

Oh and one more thing, black Zetsu didn't seem so worried about the white half when we got that glimps of him. All he does is comment on how the Kage's were stupid to not notice his spore jutsu. This also makes me think about the theory I came up with.

Note: This is almost all pure speculation(Except the points pick out to show white zetsu is dead)
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Madara isn't an idiot. I doubt that anyone who's been alive for possibly 100+ years could be idiotic. But Madara is cruel, and moreover uncaring for people other than himself. He would certainly sacrifice someone with so little skill as Zetsu just to let the Kages know of Sasuke's location. Besides this, that one moment stirred up panic and confusion that lasted ten+ chapters. Madara wanted to test Sasuke's skills up against those of the five great shadows. This could never have happened otherwise, because Sasuke (cautious person as he is) would never allow interferance in the battle that would decide the fate of the (next-to) last remaining Uchiha alive. Zetsu's disruption also served the purpose of leaving all five kages weakened, allowing Madara to appear in front of them without fear of defeat. There isn't much actual proof or logic behind your reasonings, only that his death wasn't spectacular enough to have been true. I have no doubt that Zetsu may be brought back to life for the purpose of the plot, but until proven otherwise, I believe Zetsu to be dead.

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S***. I just made a really long post responding to this, and then it gave me an "error" message. My point was, I want to have a debate on this. Also, I'm adding some more points to my original message:
  • No matter how weak/unimportant a Akatsuki member is (which I don't think Zetsu is, but some people do), they are never killed in one small panel.
  • Whenever it's not totally certain that a manga character is dead, they are almost always alive.
  • I liked the point SasukeFallen made:
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    Besides, I think it would be kind of dumb for Kishi to make Zetsu so defeatable, when he's been around so long, making cameo apearences whenever something big goes down. That and we havn't even found out about the ability to record what he sees, as alluded to by Madara. This makes me think that there is still more to know about him, and that making him completly half defeated already would be dumb.

  • Also, Madara needs as many people as possible for Gedo Mazo. Even though he would definitely sacrafice Zetsu if it would help him, I don't think Madara would sacrafice one of the few remaining Akatsuki members which he needs so badly just to cause a panic.
Also, sorry, I forgot about the spoiler. I don't make threads that often.
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Perhaps if she had Shikamaru's intelligence then she wouldn't have to waste all those weapons.

Unless I'm mistaken the only character she beat was herself. :/

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Default Re: Zetsu. Is. Not. Dead. Get it right!

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Originally Posted by C4 Karura View Post
S***. I just made a really long post responding to this, and then it gave me an "error" message. My point was, I want to have a debate on this. Also, I'm adding some more points to my original message:
  • No matter how weak/unimportant a Akatsuki member is (which I don't think Zetsu is, but some people do), they are never killed in one small panel.
True, none so far have had a death that didn't take up at least an entire page. But saying so does nothing to prove that Zetsu is currently alive.
  • Whenever it's not totally certain that a manga character is dead, they are almost always alive.
Invasion of Pain Arc, many people debating Kakashi was undead because the death created uncetainty in them. Pain revived him at the end, proving that he was at that time dead. If Zetsu is later revived, it proves that he was certainly dead after the Raikage snapped his neck.
  • I liked the point SasukeFallen made:
  • Also, Madara needs as many people as possible for Gedo Mazo. Even though he would definitely sacrafice Zetsu if it would help him, I don't think Madara would sacrafice one of the few remaining Akatsuki members which he needs so badly just to cause a panic.
That one event left every single Kage weakened, and it allowed Madara to guage the strengths and weaknesses of over 15 of the strongest ninja alive. It had more purpose than causing a panic. Besides that, Black Zetsu could just as easily work with Gedo Mazo the same way they did together.

Also, sorry, I forgot about the spoiler. I don't make threads that often.
I still have yet to see a point which offers legitimate proof on the nature of Zetsu's death, or lack thereof. Your main points are that it wasn't as propagated as most deaths, but this does nothing to prove that he's alive.
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