NaruSaku vs. NaruHina

[koshej]

Lari the Miss ()
Two wrong examples:
1. Shakespeare's one is about two lovers who can't be together - not our case.
2. Minato and Kushina didn't have love triangles.
And two other possible examples also don't fit:
1. The Sannin weren't a triangle; plus Dan died, effectively blocking out Tsunade's feelings to any guy (thus, no NaruSaku basis).
2. Team Minato is even worse, with only one guy officially left alive.
Thus, the current SQUARE is a UNIQUE one, without in-story precedents to compare to.
Oh, and also, LeeTen, due to 614.
I would like LeeSaku, but it's as forced as NaruSaku, towards Sakura.
Anyways, I do NOT see NaruSaku being an EFFECTIVE resolution to the current situation.
I'd go as far as to say that it would upset ALL four of them, to some degree, eventually.
Oh, and even though it's a different story, but from your logical standpoint, Goku should end up with Bulma, and Chichi shouldn't even appear at the end of DB.
Am I right?

[Lari18]

Originally Posted by koshej

Lari the Miss ()
Two wrong examples:
1. Shakespeare's one is about two lovers who can't be together - not our case.

For Romeo and Juliet yeah but he had other plays lol. But anyway I wasn't specifically talking about Shakespeare's work. I mean since Shakespeare's time people have been writing romance tales filled with drama/problems.

You said a plus for NaruHina was that it had no problems. I'm saying that isn't a minus for NaruSaku since NaruSaku's story fits the trope of 'love conquers all'. SasuSaku would be a better fit admittedly, but NaruSaku can be a minor example heh!

2. Minato and Kushina didn't have love triangles.

True...but their story still played out the same. Sakura and Kushina looked down on Minato and Naruto and eventually they realized that their first impressions were wrong.

Kushina and Minato were able to have a perfect get-together because there isn't a Sasuke in the way :P.

And two other possible examples also don't fit:
1. The Sannin weren't a triangle; plus Dan died, effectively blocking out Tsunade's feelings to any guy (thus, no NaruSaku basis).

I don't really understand what you mean by the Sannin weren't a love triangle. There was nothing at all between Tsunade and Orochimaru but Jiraiya did like Tsunade.

And about the Dan thing, there were hints before Jiraiya died that Tsunade was going to give Jiraiya a chance. And when Dan finally returned and reunited with Tsunade, she called him an old friend.

2. Team Minato is even worse, with only one guy officially left alive.

What? I'm sorry but if you are up-to-date you know that's not true right?

Thus, the current SQUARE is a UNIQUE one, without in-story precedents to compare to.

You have a point there. I've been hearing jokes about what would Obito have done if he actually had a 'Hinata' lol. However, you cannot deny the parallel between Team 7, the Sannin, and Team Minato. Sure the romances don't go exactly the same but this basically happened:

goofy guy likes girl who liked cool guy.

Jiraiya and Obito failed and so I hope Naruto will succeed(especially since he is MUCH better for Sakura than Sasuke is).

Oh, and also, LeeTen, due to 614.

How did you jump to that conclusion??? If anything Lee and Tenten could end up single for the rest of their lives how do they automatically get together because Neji died?

Even though it is not canon, I would use the Rock Lee show for any LeeTen.

I would like LeeSaku, but it's as forced as NaruSaku, towards Sakura.
Anyways, I do NOT see NaruSaku being an EFFECTIVE resolution to the current situation.
I'd go as far as to say that it would upset ALL four of them, to some degree, eventually.

How exactly? If Naruto can get over his feelings for Sakura and fall for Hinata, then surely Sakura can get over her feelings for Sasuke and fall for Naruto. In fact that would be best IMO.

I like SasuSaku but they are incredibly destructive and harmful towards one another in-story so a romance between them would cause more pain than anything. NaruHina however hardly know each other.

Oh, and even though it's a different story, but from your logical standpoint, Goku should end up with Bulma, and Chichi shouldn't even appear at the end of DB.
Am I right?

Where did this come from(no seriously I am confused)? But um no not really. Goku never showed any kind of romantic feelings for Bulma. Bulma (very)briefly liked Goku when she saw he grew up but that was incredibly superficial and lasted no more than a minute. Goku and Bulma was ALWAYS platonic whereas Naruto likes/loves Sakura and Sakura shows hints of returning those feelings(plus Goku never fought with Yamcha over Bulma so there isn't even 'Sasuke' there). I'm a GokuxChichi and VegetaxBulma fan anyway hah.

[koshej]

Um, I hate text walls - but I tend to write ones too.
Anyways.

Since it's a unique square thing, you should NOT draw conclusions from obviously different situations, like all those examples.
This is my main point - no point in comparing either girl to Kushina OR Tsunade OR Rin.
It won't help, cause the differences make it ineffective.

I said LeeTen, cause NejiTen is HARDLY possible now (not 100%, cause there IS a chance, despite what most people say).
Also, LeeSaku infringes on SasuSaku (and leaves Tenten in the air too) - and I'm initially looking for a COVER-THEM-ALL shipping combo.
Well, some people would still be left out, due to the lack of girls, but teammates should still be first option in VAGUE situations (unlike the one we're discussing).
So it means:
ShikaTem + ChoIno + NaruHina + SasuSaku + LeeTen (leaving out Kiba and Shino to some external girls).

I just thought of some really funny stuff Kishi COULD just pull out his sleeve:
FLASHBACKS!!!
When you accuse someone of not having spent time together, these are perfect to cover it in a single chapter, hehehe.
Stupidly funny, sure, but you never now...

As of DBZ, I meant the whole "main/secondary" thing, not about feelings.
Cause Bulma is much more MAIN than Chichi, at least in DB.
So it would make more sense for her to be with Goku (or Yamcha, by another logic), but Goku got Chichi out of nowhere basically, and Bulma ditched Yamcha for future Vegeta.
OK, this IS irrelevant, whatever.

I think my other example (Shaman King) fits better to show how getting married is correlated with being helpful (even if personally abusive).
The "Yoh's Hinata" (Tamao) had no chance to outdo Anna, cause ANNA was filling in all the needed gaps herself - unlike Sakura (at least in my opinion) who was very much outdone by Hinata in "being there for Naruto" (again my opinion).

Yeah, next week should come FAAAST!!!

[Lari18]

Originally Posted by koshej

Um, I hate text walls - but I tend to write ones too.

Happens to the best of us. That's why I can't judge anyone for doing it.

Anyways.

Since it's a unique square thing, you should NOT draw conclusions from obviously different situations, like all those examples.
This is my main point - no point in comparing either girl to Kushina OR Tsunade OR Rin.
It won't help, cause the differences make it ineffective.

Just because there are differences doesn't mean you should throw the entire parallel out.

Think about how Naruto gets compared to both of his parents and Jiraiya. All four characters have their differences and yet parallels are drawn between the the three adults and Naruto all the time. The reason I like to think of the parallels for NaruSaku is because they have some similar circumstances, and yet they are forging their own path.

MinaKushi obviously had a vastly different situation. But the development from dislike to respect is similar and comparisons could be made between the characters. While JiraTsu and ObiRin ended badly and horrifically(respectively), NaruSaku is obviously going it's own way.

Not saying that the pairing should end up EXACTLY like any one of the above or even have the EXACT same circumstances. Just saying that there are enough similarities to think of foreshadowing or make predictions.

Because honestly, if Kishi did the EXACT same thing four times in a row, well that wouldn't be good writing would it?(and it probably would matter as people would probably say NaruSaku won't happen to 'break the trend' or to 'be different'. This way NaruSaku breaks the trend of the ObiRin and JiraTsu at least since those are obviosuly more similar than MinaKush).

I said LeeTen, cause NejiTen is HARDLY possible now (not 100%, cause there IS a chance, despite what most people say).
Also, LeeSaku infringes on SasuSaku (and leaves Tenten in the air too) - and I'm initially looking for a COVER-THEM-ALL shipping combo.
Well, some people would still be left out, due to the lack of girls, but teammates should still be first option in VAGUE situations (unlike the one we're discussing).
So it means:
ShikaTem + ChoIno + NaruHina + SasuSaku + LeeTen (leaving out Kiba and Shino to some external girls).

I don't think everyone HAS to be paired up but okay. We all like our side pairings and there's nothing wrong with hoping they happen.

I just thought of some really funny stuff Kishi COULD just pull out his sleeve:
FLASHBACKS!!!
When you accuse someone of not having spent time together, these are perfect to cover it in a single chapter, hehehe.
Stupidly funny, sure, but you never now...

Well hey that's how Naruto's feelings for Sakura were revealed. Sai had a flashback to the time he asked Naruto if he told Sakura his feelings and Naruto made the famous reply "How can I?" :P.

I still would rather Kishimoto use current time to develop things. Flashbacks are alright all but shouldn't be relied on.

As of DBZ, I meant the whole "main/secondary" thing, not about feelings.
Cause Bulma is much more MAIN than Chichi, at least in DB.
So it would make more sense for her to be with Goku (or Yamcha, by another logic), but Goku got Chichi out of nowhere basically, and Bulma ditched Yamcha for future Vegeta.
OK, this IS irrelevant, whatever.

I think you misunderstood me. What I was saying is that a main character's hopes/dreams/wishes/development take priority over a side character's. The only time a side character's wants take priority, is if it is necessary for the development of a main character.

It would've made sense had Goku actually WANTED Bulma that way. He saw her as a big sister and friend but NEVER a girlfriend. And like I said Bulma got a tiny crush on Goku that went absolutely nowhere.

In DBZ Vegeta became a main character so his wants/desires took priority(3rd only to Goku and Gohan). Admittedly I heard SO many rumors about why Akira decided to put Bulma with Vegeta in the end that I just don't know what to believe anymore. But I can tell you that unless Bulma rejecting Vegeta for Yamcha helped develop Vegeta's character, then the YamchaxBulma ship was sunk immediately when Vegeta came back from his year in space.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but by your logic the manga would have to be called 'Hinata' and Hinata would have to be the central character. After all if Hinata deserves to get everything at the expense of Naruto's feelings then the show would not be about Naruto, it would be about her(and it would be a shojo not a shonen).

I think my other example (Shaman King) fits better to show how getting married is correlated with being helpful (even if personally abusive).
The "Yoh's Hinata" (Tamao) had no chance to outdo Anna, cause ANNA was filling in all the needed gaps herself - unlike Sakura (at least in my opinion) who was very much outdone by Hinata in "being there for Naruto" (again my opinion).
Yeah, next week should come FAAAST!!!

I don't read/watch Shamen King so I'm sorry that I can't really understand your reference. Well in my opinion Sakura does more because she knows him better, believes in him more, and just does more for him. But I don't think I'll convince you of that will I haha?

EDIT: I will say though to your Shamen King reference that I REALLY REALLY hope Kishimoto has Sakura shine more. The fact that she's been showing up in every chapter since the alliance showed proves that Kishimoto hasn't forgotten about her and that she is still important. Maybe her genjutsu skills will come in handy? Or her super strength? Maybe she'll summon slugs or finally use that axe. And Hinata cannot help with the Team 7 dilemma. Only Sakura can.

Let's play the waiting game !

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by PrinceofPeace

Naruto's feelings have decreased or at least stayed the same. He is not obsseded with trying to impress her. He does not compliment her beauty like he used to. Plus Sakura has ticked off Naruto instead of the other way around (ya know with the I love you being a lie). Compared to Naruto's passion for her in Part one the love has decreased. Naruto does not ask Sakura for dates as much and looked at her in a romantic fashion.
Overall Naruto's feelings have stayed the same but he shows them less agreed?

Yes she did do that but What NH did was more public. Also Sakura did not feed him (attempted). The hug was friendly but good points.... too bad she would rather be hugging SASKUE!!!

what do zetsu's have to do with anything?= about love?? Zetsu are fodder level.

It was the first time Sakura ever did something useful and took charge and Naruto has not seen this side of Sakura in well ever... it was just like when Sakura saw Naruto take on Zabuza. THey were just impressed

I do not get your Hinata =any K11 theory
the K11 never risked their lives and take a bullet for Naruto. THey never personally gave him a pep talk. Unlike Sakura the others had to go out of their way to help him since Naruto was not on his team. Sakura had the most time to help him but she just sits there. Look at her in the war currently . SHe was not healing anyone but just stood there watching NH. Sakura may as well be in the same boat of friendlship as SHikamaru. Shikamaru or Hinata dare I say helped Naruto more than Sakura. Sakura just
-protected them in FOD
-Healed him
That is mostly what she did. ANd if she was not his teammate she would have never done most of those things

Everyone here pretty much knows so why hide it in spoliers. NejiHina are family that is Gross!!!! I hope your kidding. Overall the latest chap just proves that Hinata is more like Kushina than people think.

I am saying that Hinata and Kushina both slap. Naruto was being hysteriocal btw. Bassically both ladies are phsyciall when need be. THey are physciall.. PERIOD!! Which means they are similar. Most NS fans said they were not similar because Hinata was not physicall which we see is FALSE

Your example was good... but Sakura did not give an AMAZNG speech afterword. ANd Naruto was in a darker situation.
The slap that sakura gave was like a "Hey you okay"
but
Hinata's slap was like " What are you doing you idoit! Get your head in the game!"
The slaps were totally different. I did not even know that was a slap that Sakura gave.
Naruto was not in such a dire situation when Sakura slapped him

Naruto is suffering but being with Sakura or Hinata
The fact that Sai (the "king of emotions") has to flat out tell you that a guy likes you... is a problem
true... but the same can be said for NH
Well Saskue is stil suffering cuz he def is not happy

A convo with Naruto and Hinata would be nice too. But Right now I am going by actions not waiting for words

Sakura is NOT okay that Saskue does not love her. That is why she is in so much pain
ATM Naruto does NOT mind that Sakura does NOT love him. Naruto put his feelings for her away for Saskue. Naruto has not mention that he is hurting cuz Sakura does not love him
Naruto's feelings for Hinata are unknown. WHat we DO KNOW is that those feelings have increased

So now you are assuming that Hinata does not need Naruto's feelings???? That is odd since she risked her life to save him recently. Also Hinata was fangirling when Naruto held her hand. Hinata has been mainly about naruto but MUCHHHHHH more.
-her teammates
-Neji
-training
Hinata was just inspired by Naruto and worked hard to prove herself. Hinata still needs/wants Naruto
How can you say Hinata does not need Naruto? I do not follow your logic. Just cuz Hinata has more things going for her means nothing. ALso why would Sakura need Naruto. Sakura has her medical career to think about!

Hinata wants more than "respect" SHE WANTS LOVE!!! SHE WANTS BABY and dare I say... S-E-X!!! WHy would she stop at hand holding when she is close to something else. Why stop when she can go further than hand-holding. I am sorry but that logic I just do not understand.

Sakrua and Hianta both have a ways to go. Sakura may dive into her med studies and become a better ninja. There is no need for Sakrua to be with naruto.

What proof or how do you see Sakura falling for Naruto?!?!?!?!

Just look at Itachi!! He was evil then we realized he was not! Saskue could do just that if Kishi pleases





DONE RANTING

Done Lari

[koshej]

The fact that Team 7 are the NeoSannin, has nothing to do with NaruX.
Anyways, I think we should just wait at least till 616 to see for any hints.
Though the fact that Kishi himself said (in the most recent, I think) in an interview that he would choose HINATA if he was forced to DATE a girl...
NOT someone older (would make sense) or at least Ino (aka the pretty girl of the Rookies) and obviously NOT Sakura (ugh, the least feminine one anyways).
I'd say, it tells stuff...
(As in: typically the main character is reflecting the author, or at least it works vice versa - the author is forcing his own ideas onto the main guy.)

Let's just waaait...

[PrinceofPeace]

I cant wait!!!

[LilHinataGirl]

Wooo *grabs a giant gallon of tea, sits down, and passes out in wait for the new chapter*

[Lari18]

kk Prince.

Naruto's feelings have decreased or at least stayed the same. He is not obsseded with trying to impress her. He does not compliment her beauty like he used to. Plus Sakura has ticked off Naruto instead of the other way around (ya know with the I love you being a lie). Compared to Naruto's passion for her in Part one the love has decreased. Naruto does not ask Sakura for dates as much and looked at her in a romantic fashion.
Overall Naruto's feelings have stayed the same but he shows them less agreed?

Don't think it's decreased just because he stopped showing. I think he stopped out of respect for her feelings, not necessarily because he likes her less.

However for the bold, yeah sure. Agreed.

Yes she did do that but What NH did was more public. Also Sakura did not feed him (attempted). The hug was friendly but good points.... too bad she would rather be hugging SASKUE!!!

Lol does it really matter who's is more public XD? Point both actions happened in front of a large group of people. Why would she rather hug Sasuke? That guy didn't save the village Naruto did. I guess I could say Naruto would rather hold Sakura's hand in this most recent case(even though Hinata made the speech?).

Also I remembered that Sakura held Naruto's hand in front of Sasuke. And a bunch of other people like Lee. And she held Sasuke's hand at the same time. Do something.

what do zetsu's have to do with anything?= about love?? Zetsu are fodder level.

I said that in response to why Naruto hasn't thought 'WOW LOOK AT SAKURA!' lately. He knows her strengths. In chapter 559 he KNEW she didn't need a pep talk because he knew she could handle the fodder-level Zetsu. No need to be amazed there. Whereas in the beginning of part 2 they hadn't seen each other in 2 years so of course he was much more amazed by her strengths(because he didn't know what they were).

It was the first time Sakura ever did something useful and took charge and Naruto has not seen this side of Sakura in well ever... it was just like when Sakura saw Naruto take on Zabuza. THey were just impressed

Blaaaah Sakura hate >.< Won't get into that I will stay on topic this time. Sure you can see it that way because you are technically right in that Sakura's biggest moment that Naruto got to see was her vs. Ino. Not just impressed. 'WOW impressed'. They both blushed !

I do not get your Hinata =any K11 theory
the K11 never risked their lives and take a bullet for Naruto. THey never personally gave him a pep talk.

During the Pain invasion every single one of them refused to give up Naruto's whereabouts and took on Pain for him. In chapter 573 they all admited that they fought in this war to protect Naruto. Just because they are as IN YOUyougetit as Hinata is doesn't mean all of their efforts should be downplayed.

And Shikamaru DID give Naruto a pep talk. Remember how they bonded over their dead teachers? Though Iruka cheered Naruto up, it was Shikamaru who got him thinking that as students they needed to rise up and take care of the responsibilities their teachers left for them(for Shikamaru, Asuma left him to take care of the next generation. Jiraiya left Naruto the whole peace problem).

Unlike Sakura the others had to go out of their way to help him since Naruto was not on his team. Sakura had the most time to help him but she just sits there. Look at her in the war currently . SHe was not healing anyone but just stood there watching NH.

PSSSSSSSSh that is definitely some Sakura-hate going on. Doing nothing? I think not.

Sakura may as well be in the same boat of friendlship as SHikamaru.

Impossible. Sakura will always have a special place in Naruto's heart not just because of his feelings, but because she was on Team 7 and she was one of the first people to rescue him from his loneliness.

Shikamaru or Hinata dare I say helped Naruto more than Sakura. Sakura just
-protected them in FOD
-Healed him

Psh. Sakura has done WAY more than that! Little stuff man little stuff! Knocked him out of Itachi's genjutsu, cheered him on vs Kiba and vs Neji, cheered him up when Tsunade was in a coma, gave him a pep talk when Sasuke went rogue and he lost the valley of end fight...trained under Tsundae so that she could help him...and much much more!

You just gotta...you know...read and recognize okay ;P?

That is mostly what she did. ANd if she was not his teammate she would have never done most of those things

That's actuallly a really interesting concept! Like how different would Sakura be if she WASN'T on Naruto's team? I'm not just talking about moving her out of Team 7, but what if she was on Sasuke's team but also someone else's team? Or hell let's put her on a team with completely random people, then how would she have developed?

Makes you realize how important Naruto is to her character huh?

Everyone here pretty much knows so why hide it in spoliers. NejiHina are family that is Gross!!!! I hope your kidding. Overall the latest chap just proves that Hinata is more like Kushina than people think.

Gotcha. Spoiler tagging has stopped. Tell that to Japan where that kind of thing is okay. And where NejiHina is the most popular Hinata couple. And in the Rock Lee show which pushes a LOT of NejiHina(they once were Romeo and Juliette! Like Nejio and Hinatatte lol).

Not really kidding in the parallel sense. If you say Hinata was like Kushina in that scene then Neji was definitely Minato.

Not as much as Sakura is like Kushina lol.

I am saying that Hinata and Kushina both slap. Naruto was being hysteriocal btw. Bassically both ladies are phsyciall when need be. THey are physciall.. PERIOD!! Which means they are similar. Most NS fans said they were not similar because Hinata was not physicall which we see is FALSE

Should we add Sasuke there too? He punched Naruto when he was freaking out over Haku's gender .

Your example was good... but Sakura did not give an AMAZNG speech afterword. ANd Naruto was in a darker situation.
The slap that sakura gave was like a "Hey you okay"
but
Hinata's slap was like " What are you doing you idoit! Get your head in the game!"
The slaps were totally different. I did not even know that was a slap that Sakura gave.
Naruto was not in such a dire situation when Sakura slapped him

Uh...you should reread that part. Sakura says those EXACT words. "Get your head in the game we're in a fight here!"(paraphrasing here but she does shout at him to snap out of it)

And I think fighting an Akatsuki counts as a dire situation. Hbu? Especially since it was Itachi(fake but same strength). Kakashi couldn't have won without Naruto and since you are so keen on saying how little Sakura does surely you agree that Sakura and Chiyo wouldn't last long against Itachi. If Naruto was still stuck in the genjutsu he would've been brought to the Akatsuki before he even knew what was going on.

So Sakura saved him.

Naruto is suffering but being with Sakura or Hinata
The fact that Sai (the "king of emotions") has to flat out tell you that a guy likes you... is a problem

Yeah. Just one of those problems NaruSaku has to face.

Sakura is NOT okay that Saskue does not love her. That is why she is in so much pain
ATM Naruto does NOT mind that Sakura does NOT love him. Naruto put his feelings for her away for Saskue. Naruto has not mention that he is hurting cuz Sakura does not love him
Naruto's feelings for Hinata are unknown. WHat we DO KNOW is that those feelings have increased

Is Sakura suffering because Sasuke doesn't return her feelings? Or is she suffering because Sasuke is such a dark place right now? There is a difference.

Yes he does. Sai spelled it out for you. No one caused him more pain than Sakura and Sasuke have. That's because he loves them both so much but doesn't think they will ever(Sakura) or right now just don't feel the same(Sasuke).

Yah they have.

So now you are assuming that Hinata does not need Naruto's feelings???? That is odd since she risked her life to save him recently. Also Hinata was fangirling when Naruto held her hand. Hinata has been mainly about naruto but MUCHHHHHH more.
-her teammates
-Neji
-training
Hinata was just inspired by Naruto and worked hard to prove herself. Hinata still needs/wants Naruto
How can you say Hinata does not need Naruto? I do not follow your logic. Just cuz Hinata has more things going for her means nothing. ALso why would Sakura need Naruto. Sakura has her medical career to think about!

That would be incredibly selfish of her don't you think? She cannot be saving Naruto because she wants him to return her feelings. Cannot. That would make her the opposite of what you are making her out to be a worse than part 1 Sakura. Because basically it sounds like she is ONLY saving him so that he can return her feelings and not just because she...you know...loves him and wants to see him safe and happy.

After her cousin died too. Smh Hinata.

When is the last time Team 8 had any importance to anything? THey are called Team Filler for a reason. Even in this war Hinata was working with Neji. Kiba and Shino are just...there. And it's clear that Hinata's story doesn't have much to do with them.
Neji is only recently. After Part 1 they resolved their differences and there was no trouble(and thus no story) with them until very recently.
What training? She hasn't done anything new since Twin Lion Fist which failed. We didn't even see how she learned that.

I mean if she doesn't get Naruto's romantic love her character won't diminish into nothing anymore. Again I had always believed that either Neji or Hanabi would become clan head because it didn't look like Hinata was fit to lead. Therefore, the only thing her character had going for her was Naruto and so if she didn't get him then she wouldn't have anything else to do other than be a member of Team 8. Now this is her chance to prove herself as being worthy to lead the Hyuuga clan so her character has something to strive for now.

Sakura needs Naruto because she is clearly not happy right now and Naruto is the only character that can bring her happiness. I mean if Ino called her up and said 'Hey let's go shopping' then yeah Sakura will be happy, but in the back of her mind the lingering problems with Team 7 and Sasuke will always be hurting her. Naruto can solve those problems.

Plus it's clear that when he's around she smiles more and is happier.

Hinata wants more than "respect" SHE WANTS LOVE!!! SHE WANTS BABY and dare I say... S-E-X!!! WHy would she stop at hand holding when she is close to something else. Why stop when she can go further than hand-holding. I am sorry but that logic I just do not understand.

Because in 573 all she said she wanted was to hold his hand. She didn't think about marriage and kids. I think Hinata knows more than you and she's keeping it real.

She's giving her love to Naruto and doesn't expect anything in return other than acknowledgment and respect). You know, that's kidn of selfless actually.

Sakrua and Hianta both have a ways to go. Sakura may dive into her med studies and become a better ninja. There is no need for Sakrua to be with naruto.

Again, Naruto makes her the happiest. Just becoming the greatest medic-nin in the world will only make her like Tsunade, a great woman with a lot of regrets. She needs Naruto because there things between them that need to be resolved NOW and only when they are can she let go of all of her mental baggage, stop worrying, and be happy.

What proof or how do you see Sakura falling for Naruto?!?!?!?!

In the databooks it says he makes her heartbeat faster and she doesn't know what her feelings for him truly are.

In the manga...I don't think you reeeeeeally want to hear. Let's just wait and see okay.

Just look at Itachi!! He was evil then we realized he was not! Saskue could do just that if Kishi pleases

No he can't. Itachi's past/motivations were largely a mystery. We only had Sasuke's word and he turned out to be wrong. We needed flashbacks from itachi himself to know that he was good.

However we've seen Sasuke go from good to bad. We've seen his thoughts, his rationalizations, his excuses, pretty everything that got him to where he is now. Honestly what has Sasuke done that YOU think wold benefit Sakura, Naruto, ANYONE??

I'm serious. His actions haven't even benefitted himself or his dead clan.

His fight with Kabuto and Deidara weren't even done with good intentions. Deidara was in his way and he wasn't even going to attack Kabuto. He was going for Naruto when Itachi interrupted.

Sorry but there is NO way Sasuke can be believably go the way of Itachi, where all of things he did were for the 'good of everyone' and not completely selfish.

Rant over. It's Friday.

edit: typos and

[PrinceofPeace]

Yeah we agree the feelings have stayed about the same... but do you think his feelings for her increased for Sakura???

Why would Naruto want to hold Sakura's hand now? Sakura wants to hug Saskue cuz she loves him more. She even tried to hug him when he was in his crazed CS1 state.
That was tottaly different. It was pure friendship. Unless you think Sakiura will marry both of them.

well lets just drop that Wow I am impressed with Sakura/Hinata thing it does not help much of anything agreed??

I am glad you brought up the Pain invasion. Everyone was trying to protect Naruto... BUT SAKURA GAVE UP! WHen the village was at its wits end Sakrua cried out to Naruto practically begging for help. She wanted Naruto to risk his life to save the village. No the others actions should not be downplayed but Hinata has clearly done more and more public and personal actions

Did Sakura ever give him a speech? I agree with SHikamaru but I do not see him takign a bullet for him or naruto holding his hand lol.

Please tell me what she was doing when Naruto was with Hinata in war

Honeslty sakura did not do anything. She was just on the team. If she was not on the team she would not have saved him. All she did was hate on em

Her pep talk sucked. Sakura said it was okay that he failed but Naruto would not accept it. Many were cheering for Naruto (kakashi only lol) and other comforted him during the Tsuande coma. ANyone could have taken him out of genjutsu. None of that was personal.

Sakrua is shallow she would still be hooked on Saskue. SHe owuld not care for naruto if they were not forced to work together


Come on now you and I both know that NEjiHina is a joke. hinata and Sakura are both VERy similar to Kushina

iirc Chiyo also got Naruto out of genjutsu

NH has no issues

Sakura is suffering cuz of both

Hinata is saved him to protect the will of the people and to save the world. She basically said that in the speech

Team 8 tracked down Itachi and sensed danger during the war
The only thing that will make Sakura happy is SASKUE!! Even Naruto knows that. Prove how Naruto will make her happy. Sakura is not fully happy she still wants Saskue.

huh selfish. SHe just wants to be with him

If Naruto makes her the happiest then why does she still want Saskue

BTW Kishi thinks Hinata is the best girlfriend material

[PrinceofPeace]

Reasons why NaruSaku DOES NOT WORK

Spoiler:

-Sakura loves SASKUE
(Even now in the war she still thinks of him. SHe could not even kill him and cosidered joining him. She wanted to kill him herself out of love)

-She never showed any romantic feelings for Naruto
(Sakura is not in love just in like)

-Naruto needs to fulfill her promises
(Naruto does not feel worthy to be with Sakura atm)

Reason why NaruHina DOES NOT WORK

Spoiler:

-Naruto does not see Hinata romantically

.....Honestly that is the ONLY issue I see

Reasons why NaruSaku works

Spoiler:

They are friends and have been togehter for a long time and they know each others issues and bonded.... LIKE TEAMMATES

Reasons why naruHina works

Spoiler:

Hinata has loved Naruto since the begging

Hinata has inspired Naruto multiple of times

They both share the same Ninja Way

Free feel to PM/Vm me for things I should add

[placeinthesun16]

am tire of the stubborn idea of hinata being to shy to talk to naruto its completely ridicolous. because hinata might be shy now but eventually shell overcome it. also am tire of seeing that sakura spends more time with naruto that thats why there better but only reason is that there teamates. in real life people usually marry people that they dont know as much. which is the case with naruto towards hinata. besides naruto might have not discuss towards hinata towards her confession but that doesnt mean he forgot its just he doesnt get the time. the way the story has being develope since the beggining towards where it is now ive being having the feeling that kishi eventually will put them togethere as a couple, like they were destine for each other. plus sakura only started to admire naruto because now his a hero and really powerfull but in the beginning she thought that naruto was the worst thing ever. while hinata has admire and felt in love for the type of person he is not cuz his a hero besides hinata would love naruto even if he wasnt that special. while sakura would not even give a care in the world about him if it wasnt like that. anyways naruto in the manga he seems now more incline towards hinata then sakura. plus sakura has never accepted a date with naruto except ones where she accepted but only if he payed the bill. seems to me shes just interested in naruto for the benefits she can get from him. while hinata would love naruto even if he was poor. in my opinion naruto would live a better life if he got with hinata. yes she might be shy now. and naruto might be wild now. but if u put em togethere they make the perfect couple. once togethere hinata wont be shy with him shell be very outspoken about her thoughts and everything she feels towards him while naruto would come down and finally become a man and stop being such a child. in summmary when u talk about peoples personalitys always have in mind that people change they wont be the same as they where once. hinata is the only choice naruto gots to trully be happy hehe they are ment for each other.

[Sir Michael]

Originally Posted by placeinthesun16

am tire of the stubborn idea of hinata being to shy to talk to naruto its completely ridicolous. because hinata might be shy now but eventually shell overcome it. also am tire of seeing that sakura spends more time with naruto that thats why there better but only reason is that there teamates. in real life people usually marry people that they dont know as much. which is the case with naruto towards hinata. besides naruto might have not discuss towards hinata towards her confession but that doesnt mean he forgot its just he doesnt get the time. the way the story has being develope since the beggining towards where it is now ive being having the feeling that kishi eventually will put them togethere as a couple, like they were destine for each other. plus sakura only started to admire naruto because now his a hero and really powerfull but in the beginning she thought that naruto was the worst thing ever. while hinata has admire and felt in love for the type of person he is not cuz his a hero besides hinata would love naruto even if he wasnt that special. while sakura would not even give a care in the world about him if it wasnt like that. anyways naruto in the manga he seems now more incline towards hinata then sakura. plus sakura has never accepted a date with naruto except ones where she accepted but only if he payed the bill. seems to me shes just interested in naruto for the benefits she can get from him. while hinata would love naruto even if he was poor. in my opinion naruto would live a better life if he got with hinata. yes she might be shy now. and naruto might be wild now. but if u put em togethere they make the perfect couple. once togethere hinata wont be shy with him shell be very outspoken about her thoughts and everything she feels towards him while naruto would come down and finally become a man and stop being such a child. in summmary when u talk about peoples personalitys always have in mind that people change they wont be the same as they where once. hinata is the only choice naruto gots to trully be happy hehe they are ment for each other.

So many typos.

[placeinthesun16]

the reason sakura gets along with naruto is because there in the same team remember that. but if hinata was with naruto in the same team she would not be shy with him at all. which that is not the case she gets shy when she sees him because she loves him and doesnt know how to express that love towards naruto cuz there young but when they mature hinata would be more then able to express it. if u where to define narutos and hinatas situation in my opinion is that like if u met a new person that you thought is attractive in its just your type you would personally be shy about speaking to them. during the war naruto will finally see what he was to blind to see before. and that is that hinata will be her future wife. the one he was searching for his soulmate. chaaa take that sakura haha. naruhina for eveeeeerrr! and if u guys care about narutos happiness at all thats right i mean the narusaku fans then you got to realize that naruto belongs with hinata. dont even say that no that naruto has more time with sakura cuz thats just pointless there time can be describe the same as what u spend with a sibling or cousing. or best friend with a small crush from narutos side.

well excuse my typing but am not that good with writing at all my worst subject ever.

anyways (PRINCEOFPEACE ) pretty much sums the truth about the pros and cons of narusaku naruhina ordeal. he is very honest and can backup what he says. my respects for (PRINCEOFPEACE ) and if i had to choose someone to debate for naruxhina it would be him easyl. NARUTO HINATA forever! Its fates that brings em togethere and love that unites them!

[koshej]

^The easiest way to NOT be read...
No offense, but reader-respect is a nice asset...

On-topic:
Let's just wait for 616 - just a few days anyways.

[alanis23]

me again i agree with sasu_girl

[The King Of The Games]

NaruHina = Hold Hands.
NaruSaku = Hug.
NaruSasu = Kiss.
NaruSasu al the way!!!!!

[Ren Kurosaki]

Originally Posted by the king of the games

naruhina = hold hands.
Narusaku = hug.
Narusasu = kiss.
Narusasu al the way!!!!!

lol true!

[PrinceofPeace]

Originally Posted by placeinthesun16

the reason sakura gets along with naruto is because there in the same team remember that. but if hinata was with naruto in the same team she would not be shy with him at all. which that is not the case she gets shy when she sees him because she loves him and doesnt know how to express that love towards naruto cuz there young but when they mature hinata would be more then able to express it. if u where to define narutos and hinatas situation in my opinion is that like if u met a new person that you thought is attractive in its just your type you would personally be shy about speaking to them. during the war naruto will finally see what he was to blind to see before. and that is that hinata will be her future wife. the one he was searching for his soulmate. chaaa take that sakura haha. naruhina for eveeeeerrr! and if u guys care about narutos happiness at all thats right i mean the narusaku fans then you got to realize that naruto belongs with hinata. dont even say that no that naruto has more time with sakura cuz thats just pointless there time can be describe the same as what u spend with a sibling or cousing. or best friend with a small crush from narutos side.

well excuse my typing but am not that good with writing at all my worst subject ever.

anyways (PRINCEOFPEACE ) pretty much sums the truth about the pros and cons of narusaku naruhina ordeal. he is very honest and can backup what he says. my respects for (PRINCEOFPEACE ) and if i had to choose someone to debate for naruxhina it would be him easyl. NARUTO HINATA forever! Its fates that brings em togethere and love that unites them!

AWWWW
Thank you that means a lot bud

I try to represent NxH and their followers with pride and respect and honor

[placeinthesun16]

possible naruhina hidden clues read this..."Naruto…I've always been chasing after you… Even now… But once this war ends, I'm going to stop once and for all… Because next time, I will be by your side, holding your hand… walking with you! Please wait for me!!" qoute by hinata to herself on chapter 573 page 9-10.i feel that thats a prophecy of the future to come by kishimoto.plus chapter 615 enforces the statement note hinatas qoute states that at the end of the war she will be with naruto. love conquers all!!!

it looks pretty clear by this qoute by hinata that kishi most likely will make it happen. "Because next time, I will be by your side, holding your hand… walking with you!" what more evidence can you posibly ask for

and remember, hinata is way to dam good for naruto, for her being the one to try to win naruto over. it should the other way around. dont you guys think? anyways naruto and hinata is going to happen in my oopinion... believe it!!!!