NaruSaku vs. NaruHina

[Night Blade852]

Yeah, but...it's a little hard to see how these two would get together you know?

[Naruske Uzuchi]

like I said I like them because of personality. Hinata is too shy and soft which Sasuke could stop that and make her a little bit cold, while Sasuke is a cold hearted bastard and he can learn kindness and such from Hinata perfect if you ask me

[Night Blade852]

Hmm, maybe.

[KuramaSage]

Naruto hasn't really shown any feelings towards Hinata, but on the other hand Sakura's relationship with Naruto isn't like that at all. They are very close comrades, but it's definitely in a brother/sister sort of way. If Naruto ends up with anyone it'll be Hinata. Sakura is Sauke's girl. haha

[katsu uchiha]

Originally Posted by KuramaSage

Naruto hasn't really shown any feelings towards Hinata, but on the other hand Sakura's relationship with Naruto isn't like that at all. They are very close comrades, but it's definitely in a brother/sister sort of way. If Naruto ends up with anyone it'll be Hinata. Sakura is Sauke's girl. haha

This excuse again??

Can some fans not come up with a new reason etc. if they are going to state their opinion. That excuse is old and Naruto and Sakura don't have a brother/sister relationship. It's way different than that and evolving into something possibly romantic. The proof is in the manga. Besides that Sasuke doesn't give a crap about Sakura. He finds her annoying plus he tried to kill 2-3 times. Sakura hopes to be with Sasuke but the chances of that happening is a whopping 1%. It doesn't really have a chance happening. Naruto and Sakura have something that the other two pairings lack and that is development. Which is important in building a relationship and leading to something more than that.

[KuramaSage]

Originally Posted by katsu uchiha

This excuse again??

Can some fans not come up with a new reason etc. if they are going to state their opinion. That excuse is old and Naruto and Sakura don't have a brother/sister relationship. It's way different than that and evolving into something possibly romantic. The proof is in the manga. Besides that Sasuke doesn't give a crap about Sakura. He finds her annoying plus he tried to kill 2-3 times. Sakura hopes to be with Sasuke but the chances of that happening is a whopping 1%. It doesn't really have a chance happening. Naruto and Sakura have something that the other two pairings lack and that is development. Which is important in building a relationship and leading to something more than that.

Just because an argument is old doesn't mean it is invalid. Sakura doesn't just HOPE do be with Sasuke. Ever since the beginning its been her dying passion to be with him. When he left the village she begged him to stay solely for her sake. She wanted nothing more but to hold on to him and be the one who loves him. Sakura's entire character is strongly structured on her love for Sasuke. How can Kishi put so much emotion into her relationship with Sasuke in a passionate manner and then she falls in love with Naruto? Not even to mention Naruto's knowledge of her feelings. He'd know how strongly she felt about Sasuke and wouldn't let it happen. You have to realize all the themes and character development that would be meaningless if Sakura and Naruto were together. I mean every time Naruto comes to Sakura's aide it is as a most caring friend. Yeah, he might have had a silly crush on her in the very first season, but that has disappeared. It has been shown countless times. Naruto has her back more than anyone and is her closest comrade, but nowhere in the late story has there been any inclination that Naruto and Sakura are growing to be more than friends. That relationship would cause multiple issues in Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata's character development. Just because it would be "cool" or 'romantic" for them to be together doesn't mean it makes any sense for it to happen when looking at plot and character structures. As for development between Naruto and either Hinata or Sakura I don't think there is anything significant at all. I mean there is plenty of development showing Hinata's feeling towards Naruto, but Naruto himself has shown a bare minimum for romantic feelings for anyone in the series. My opinion is that he will most likely not fall in love with anyone or that he will be with Hinata. The pairing of Naruto and Sakura makes absolutely NO sense when looking at the entire series. So, setting "Fanboy/Fangirl" wishes aside, logically NaruSaku will most likely not happen.

[Night Blade852]

Originally Posted by katsu uchiha

This excuse again??

Can some fans not come up with a new reason etc. if they are going to state their opinion. That excuse is old and Naruto and Sakura don't have a brother/sister relationship. It's way different than that and evolving into something possibly romantic. The proof is in the manga. Besides that Sasuke doesn't give a crap about Sakura. He finds her annoying plus he tried to kill 2-3 times. Sakura hopes to be with Sasuke but the chances of that happening is a whopping 1%. It doesn't really have a chance happening. Naruto and Sakura have something that the other two pairings lack and that is development. Which is important in building a relationship and leading to something more than that.

*shrugs* I'm not sure if I'm making any sense Katsu, it just seems to me the rabid NH fans are not supporting it "for the sake of" NH. They are solely Hinata fans that just want her to get Naruto just cause they can't bear to see her heartbroken, don't understand the concept of Sakura's
tsundere and think her hitting Naruto is supposed to be taken literally, believing he should pick the sweet, gentle, princess type, or whatever other
reason that they believe in. I'm not pointing out that they're not believing in their shipping, or bashing it, just that the way they argue about it, to
me, seems like they are not shipping Naruto and Hinata because they would make a good couple or anything, they are just focusing on Hinata's
wants only.

[Lari18]

yay debate

Ever since the beginning its been her dying passion to be with him.

I think a better word to use here would be 'dream'. Sakura's not dying.

When he left the village she begged him to stay solely for her sake.

Which is selfish and proved that she didn't understand him at all. Not a good start for a romantic relationship.

Sakura's entire character is strongly structured on her love for Sasuke.

NO. NO DAMN IT NO. There is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more to Sakura's character than Sasuke D:<!

Remember her friendship with Ino?
Her apprenticeship with Tsunade?
Her relationship with Naruto?

Her growth as a character from a insecure fangirl with nothing to her except her brains and chakra control to a strong, confident medic-combat-nin who is comfortable in her own skin? Yes she still has problems with her emotions but Sasuke did NOT help with her growth.

Sakura is a favorite character of mine.

Now HINATA on the other hand...her character IS entirely structured around Naruto.

How can Kishi put so much emotion into her relationship with Sasuke in a passionate manner and then she falls in love with Naruto?

He can do it by having Sasuke show no emotion in return. And by building Sakura's relationship up to the point that it's entirely plausible that at this point she's in love with both of them.

Besides that, Kishimoto can also do it by showing Sakura never understood the real Sasuke. All her emotion went into a relationship with an 'ideal' Sasuke.

Not even to mention Naruto's knowledge of her feelings. He'd know how strongly she felt about Sasuke and wouldn't let it happen.

Huh? Naruto never said he'd force Sakura to be with him. As a matter of fact out of all of the people in the couples(Sasuke, Sakura, Naruto, and Hinata) Naruto has thus far been the MOST selfless with his love (for Sakura). Even Hinata admitted she was selfish.

The only thing he implied was that when he got Sasuke back he was going to confess his feelings and leave the answer up to her.

You have to realize all the themes and character development that would be meaningless if Sakura and Naruto were together.

How? Please explain what exactly would be broken if Naruto proved that he never gives up and if Sakura proves that she can choose the right guy.

I mean every time Naruto comes to Sakura's aide it is as a most caring friend.

Which is good because they are friends. You are supposed to be good friends with you significant other.

Yeah, he might have had a silly crush on her in the very first season, but that has disappeared. It has been shown countless times.

Pretty sure it was much deeper than that. In chapter Sakura appeared Naruto "realized why he liked her" when he found out that she craved acknowledgement like he did.

Before then he just thought of her as a 'cute girl' he liked but after that she was someone who could understand him.

And later on he put his life on the line to protect her(even saying "I will protect Sakura-chan") and even later he decided he would do what he could to make her happy, even if it meant he couldn't be with her(admit it, that is DEEP for a 13-year-old).

Part 2 shows us he still likes her when he blushed when she offered to feed him ramen and admitted to Sai he had feelings for her he couldn't express yet.

Naruto has her back more than anyone and is her closest comrade, but nowhere in the late story has there been any inclination that Naruto and Sakura are growing to be more than friends.

Yes there is.

That relationship would cause multiple issues in Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata's character development.

How the heck would anyone be badly affected if Naruto and Sakura get together? If Sasuke turns good, he'd probably be happy for his friends. If he doesn't then he won't care at all.

Hinata I don't think will suffer a breakdown either. I think she'd be mature enough to accept it and move on. Which would be good for her character.

Just because it would be "cool" or 'romantic" for them to be together doesn't mean it makes any sense for it to happen when looking at plot and character structures.

This quote fits more with SasuSaku you know.

but Naruto himself has shown a bare minimum for romantic feelings for anyone in the series.

Except Sakura. The girl he'd do anything for, just to see her smile.

So, setting "Fanboy/Fangirl" wishes aside, logically NaruSaku will most likely not happen.

Pretty sure Sakura was the fangirl of Sasuke. Which means this logic dictates SasuSaku will not happen .

EDIT:

Seriously?! Brother and sister bonds? That's the most pathetic of them all and it just makes NH fans look desperate. Just stop with the excuses.

If anything, Naruto and Hinata share a more sibling-like bond lol. She admires him, he cheers her up. Just like siblings do. I could see Naruto think of Hinata as a little sister after all of this haha.

[Night Blade852]

Lari...you're a hero lol

[Lari18]

Thanks XD.

[KuramaSage]

Wow that's a lot. Haha. I'm in class so it won't be in too much detail. Ill keep the conversation going though. Just to make it clear I'm not a "fan" of either side, I'm just saying my opinion on what is most likely to happen. So don't call me a NH fan or anything. So for your first point I guess I used a wrong choice of words. Regardless, the point is the same. She doesn't just hope to be with him. Its a very strong emotion of hers; a passion. Whether her beggin for him to stay was selfish or not doesn't matter. I only said that to emphasize her feelings for him. People don't always understand eachother at the start of a romance. And this is Sauke we're talking about. Haha. Not sure if anybody understands him. I don't even think Sasuke understands himself. For my point about her character being structured around her feelings for Sasuke, I messed up again. I was thinking more of in the context of her possible romantic relationships. I didn't mean it in the way that there isn't anything else that defines Sakura. I should've said something like Sakuras feelings for Sasuke play a major part in her character. I don't think that Sasuke's negative emotions toward her have altered her love for him.like I mention in another thread, there is the possibility that Sasuke is acting like Itachi. Much in the same way Itachi hid his feelings for Sasuke, Sasuke could be hiding his feelings for Naruto and Sakura. In regards to Sakura loving both of them I don't see it as the same sort of love. Even if Naruto has romantic feelings for her I don't think she feels the same. Who will she save? Her best friend or her love? I don't see it as a struggle between two romantic loves. I never said Naruto would force anything. My point there was to say that Naruto, being as kind-hearted as he is, would not want to be with Sakura knowing how strongly she feels about Sasuke. He would want her to be truly happy. The way you addressed the point about character development being broken was very biased. I'm speaking on my opinions based on logic and the series. Kishi has built very strong characters. My favorite thing about the series. Haha. If Sakura and Naruto were together it would make some of those developments useless. Primarily coming into mind is Hinata's bold jump in front of Pain follwed by an "I love you". That's about as romantic as it gets. I understand the whole cylce is widely open for debate, but these character builds put mor logic on others. The question of "why would Kishi have wrote that if it was for nothing?" Comes into play. Now to the point of Narutos feelings for Sakura. Yes I will admit that I undermined his feelings for her. Haha.Honestly with Naruto I don't see his romance being a profound theme. As the series goes on it seems naruto is realizing Sakuras place in his life. I don't think it is turning romantic, but at a Very very dear friend. I know the line between lover and best friend can be thin, so once again there with be debate. And by late story I mean not the beginning of part 2. Naruto is coming of age and I think this is allowing him to understand his comrades better. This leads to him understanding Sakura and her feelings of Sasuke. Your reaction to how I said NS would damage Character development made me laugh. I didn't mean how other characters would react, I meant that NS would make issues in the way Kishi built up those characters. I already said why earlier. To sum up the last bit, if Naruto fulfills his promise to Sakura and saves Sasuke from his darkness, the relationship of SasuSaku makes more sense than NS. To put more into the theory, Naruto's main themes are influencing those around him and keeping his promises. So keeping his promise to save Sasuke is likely. I know that's very debatable, but it is logical. My "Fangirl/Fanboy" comment wasn't about the characters in the series. It was about Naruto fans on the board. The point was to say that just because you wish something to happen, doesn't mean it is likely. Sometimes people make things into evidence just because its what they want it to happen a certain way. Once again, don't confuse me with a certain Side. I'm just saying my opinion on what makes sense to me. Personally I predict, SasuSaku at the end if Naruto saves Sasuke and Naruto either alone or with Hinata. Or certain people could die and there goes everyones theory. Haha. Either way I just started this debate because someone told me I wasn't giving a strong enough opinion. Once again, sorry for the bad structure and grammer. I'm on my phone in class. Let me know what you think

[KuramaSage]

Oh god. Haha. Longer than I thought. Sorry for that ugly wall of text. Talking about Naruto is funner than listening to a boring lecture :P Haha.

[katsu uchiha]

Originally Posted by KuramaSage

Just because an argument is old doesn't mean it is invalid. Sakura doesn't just HOPE do be with Sasuke. Ever since the beginning its been her dying passion to be with him. When he left the village she begged him to stay solely for her sake. She wanted nothing more but to hold on to him and be the one who loves him. Sakura's entire character is strongly structured on her love for Sasuke. How can Kishi put so much emotion into her relationship with Sasuke in a passionate manner and then she falls in love with Naruto? Not even to mention Naruto's knowledge of her feelings. He'd know how strongly she felt about Sasuke and wouldn't let it happen. You have to realize all the themes and character development that would be meaningless if Sakura and Naruto were together. I mean every time Naruto comes to Sakura's aide it is as a most caring friend. Yeah, he might have had a silly crush on her in the very first season, but that has disappeared. It has been shown countless times. Naruto has her back more than anyone and is her closest comrade, but nowhere in the late story has there been any inclination that Naruto and Sakura are growing to be more than friends. That relationship would cause multiple issues in Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, and Hinata's character development. Just because it would be "cool" or 'romantic" for them to be together doesn't mean it makes any sense for it to happen when looking at plot and character structures. As for development between Naruto and either Hinata or Sakura I don't think there is anything significant at all. I mean there is plenty of development showing Hinata's feeling towards Naruto, but Naruto himself has shown a bare minimum for romantic feelings for anyone in the series. My opinion is that he will most likely not fall in love with anyone or that he will be with Hinata. The pairing of Naruto and Sakura makes absolutely NO sense when looking at the entire series. So, setting "Fanboy/Fangirl" wishes aside, logically NaruSaku will most likely not happen.

Naruto wouldn't let it happen?

Naruto wants to be with Sakura, he loves her! And he's proved himself time and time again to her in the hopes that she would would see him and eventually fall in love with him. And Naruto doesn't care for Sakura as a teammate, he cares for her much more than that, like I stated, he loves her. It's not a silly crush as you put it, its a deep true unconditional love. Besides where is it stated that his "crush" on Sakura has disappeared?

Naruto doesn't give up, its not in his character to give up. He will never give up on loving Sakura and making her his.

Naruto and Sakura's relationship has been developing since Day 1. And when Sasuke left the village to go to Orochimaru for more power it gave Naruto and Sakura the chance to bond and grow closer. They have spent a lot of time together and when a bond like that grows strong, romantic feelings will come into play eventually. Sakura has seen Naruto for who he is and what he has done and what he stands for. She's feeling guilty over her feelings for Sasuke after seeing him for who he really is. She's conflicted right now as to who she really loves because she may be starting to doubt her feelings for Sasuke.

You are wrong when there has been no development at all. Sakura used to view Naruto as a talentless idiot who got on her nerves and annoyed her. What does she see now? A brave and strong shinobi who protects those precious to him. You have to be lying in saying there is no development with Naruto and Sakura have no development. Their strong bond is proof of that.

Also Naruto has loved Sakura from the very start of the series and has far as us fans are concerned, he hasn't dropped his feelings for Sakura, they have only grown stronger as time goes by.

It makes no sense at all for Naruto to fall in love with someone he barely knows and only sees as friend. Naruto loves Sakura and Sakura is starting to open her eyes to the truth. That is what's important.

[KuramaSage]

Originally Posted by katsu uchiha

Naruto wouldn't let it happen?

Naruto wants to be with Sakura, he loves her! And he's proved himself time and time again to her in the hopes that she would would see him and eventually fall in love with him. And Naruto doesn't care for Sakura as a teammate, he cares for her much more than that, like I stated, he loves her. It's not a silly crush as you put it, its a deep true unconditional love. Besides where is it stated that his "crush" on Sakura has disappeared?

Naruto doesn't give up, its not in his character to give up. He will never give up on loving Sakura and making her his.

Naruto and Sakura's relationship has been developing since Day 1. And when Sasuke left the village to go to Orochimaru for more power it gave Naruto and Sakura the chance to bond and grow closer. They have spent a lot of time together and when a bond like that grows strong, romantic feelings will come into play eventually. Sakura has seen Naruto for who he is and what he has done and what he stands for. She's feeling guilty over her feelings for Sasuke after seeing him for who he really is. She's conflicted right now as to who she really loves because she may be starting to doubt her feelings for Sasuke.

You are wrong when there has been no development at all. Sakura used to view Naruto as a talentless idiot who got on her nerves and annoyed her. What does she see now? A brave and strong shinobi who protects those precious to him. You have to be lying in saying there is no development with Naruto and Sakura have no development. Their strong bond is proof of that.

Also Naruto has loved Sakura from the very start of the series and has far as us fans are concerned, he hasn't dropped his feelings for Sakura, they have only grown stronger as time goes by.

It makes no sense at all for Naruto to fall in love with someone he barely knows and only sees as friend. Naruto loves Sakura and Sakura is starting to open her eyes to the truth. That is what's important.

I never said there was no development between Naruto and Sakura... Haha. Like you said, only a fool can say that. As far as the romantic development i don't agree with you. yes, it is there, but i feel like you are greatly exaggerating in some areas. This is a prime example of when i said that people who love the idea of NaruSaku or NaruHina start to make things seem as evidence so that it looks like what they wish to happen is the same as what is likely to happen. I understand that you have a very strong opinion and support NaruSaku very much. I know thats what you want to happen and I'm all for ya. i think it'd be awesome if thats what their relationship turned to. Like i said in my big wall of text I'm not on NaruHina side. I'm just giving my opinion on what makes sense to me. This is what will likely happen based on the way Kishi has developed characters and themes throughout the series. Not saying NaruSaku wont happen. I feel bad that you are offended. Haha. I'm really not going against you here> I don't wanna go against anyone. Just talking about theories and what is probable

[Night Blade852]

Originally Posted by KuramaSage

I never said there was no development between Naruto and Sakura... Haha. Like you said, only a fool can say that. As far as the romantic development i don't agree with you. yes, it is there, but i feel like you are greatly exaggerating in some areas. This is a prime example of when i said that people who love the idea of NaruSaku or NaruHina start to make things seem as evidence so that it looks like what they wish to happen is the same as what is likely to happen. I understand that you have a very strong opinion and support NaruSaku very much. I know thats what you want to happen and I'm all for ya. i think it'd be awesome if thats what their relationship turned to. Like i said in my big wall of text I'm not on NaruHina side. I'm just giving my opinion on what makes sense to me. This is what will likely happen based on the way Kishi has developed characters and themes throughout the series. Not saying NaruSaku wont happen. I feel bad that you are offended. Haha. I'm really not going against you here> I don't wanna go against anyone. Just talking about theories and what is probable

Well, for a lot of people NaruSaku has the most development. Imo it's getting to be pretty late for another couple. True Hinata said a few things last chapter, but it's just a repeat of what she's been saying through out the manga. Sakura on the other hand, if she hadn't of had her development, she couldn't care less about Naruto. So saying NS has no dievelopment makes you look stupid. I mean come on! It the MOST development out of any of the couples.

[Pinks17]

Lol he didn't even say they had no development. It's in his first sentence!
Smh.. Skipping to conclusions.

[katsu uchiha]

I seriously don't get NH. I really don't. In my opinion, Naruto would have to be OOC for NH to happen and that would be bad writing on Kishi's part. A good writer keeps their characters, IN CHARACTER.

[Night Blade852]

^ Have you ever found a good NH debater? I don't think NH was supposed to be a shipping couple. Too me...it's too late for NH to happen. But everything depends on Sakura as far as the couple wars go. She's the life blood of it all. Naruto said he wanted her to choose for herself who she loves when ever he brings Sasuke back. So I guess Sasuke kind of does have to survive the war.

[Black Owl]

Originally Posted by KuramaSage

Spoiler:

Wow that's a lot. Haha. I'm in class so it won't be in too much detail. Ill keep the conversation going though. Just to make it clear I'm not a "fan" of either side, I'm just saying my opinion on what is most likely to happen. So don't call me a NH fan or anything. So for your first point I guess I used a wrong choice of words. Regardless, the point is the same. She doesn't just hope to be with him. Its a very strong emotion of hers; a passion. Whether her beggin for him to stay was selfish or not doesn't matter. I only said that to emphasize her feelings for him. People don't always understand eachother at the start of a romance. And this is Sauke we're talking about. Haha. Not sure if anybody understands him. I don't even think Sasuke understands himself. For my point about her character being structured around her feelings for Sasuke, I messed up again. I was thinking more of in the context of her possible romantic relationships. I didn't mean it in the way that there isn't anything else that defines Sakura. I should've said something like Sakuras feelings for Sasuke play a major part in her character. I don't think that Sasuke's negative emotions toward her have altered her love for him.like I mention in another thread, there is the possibility that Sasuke is acting like Itachi. Much in the same way Itachi hid his feelings for Sasuke, Sasuke could be hiding his feelings for Naruto and Sakura. In regards to Sakura loving both of them I don't see it as the same sort of love. Even if Naruto has romantic feelings for her I don't think she feels the same. Who will she save? Her best friend or her love? I don't see it as a struggle between two romantic loves. I never said Naruto would force anything. My point there was to say that Naruto, being as kind-hearted as he is, would not want to be with Sakura knowing how strongly she feels about Sasuke. He would want her to be truly happy. The way you addressed the point about character development being broken was very biased. I'm speaking on my opinions based on logic and the series. Kishi has built very strong characters. My favorite thing about the series. Haha. If Sakura and Naruto were together it would make some of those developments useless. Primarily coming into mind is Hinata's bold jump in front of Pain follwed by an "I love you". That's about as romantic as it gets. I understand the whole cylce is widely open for debate, but these character builds put mor logic on others. The question of "why would Kishi have wrote that if it was for nothing?" Comes into play. Now to the point of Narutos feelings for Sakura. Yes I will admit that I undermined his feelings for her. Haha.Honestly with Naruto I don't see his romance being a profound theme. As the series goes on it seems naruto is realizing Sakuras place in his life. I don't think it is turning romantic, but at a Very very dear friend. I know the line between lover and best friend can be thin, so once again there with be debate. And by late story I mean not the beginning of part 2. Naruto is coming of age and I think this is allowing him to understand his comrades better. This leads to him understanding Sakura and her feelings of Sasuke. Your reaction to how I said NS would damage Character development made me laugh. I didn't mean how other characters would react, I meant that NS would make issues in the way Kishi built up those characters. I already said why earlier. To sum up the last bit, if Naruto fulfills his promise to Sakura and saves Sasuke from his darkness, the relationship of SasuSaku makes more sense than NS. To put more into the theory, Naruto's main themes are influencing those around him and keeping his promises. So keeping his promise to save Sasuke is likely. I know that's very debatable, but it is logical. My "Fangirl/Fanboy" comment wasn't about the characters in the series. It was about Naruto fans on the board. The point was to say that just because you wish something to happen, doesn't mean it is likely. Sometimes people make things into evidence just because its what they want it to happen a certain way. Once again, don't confuse me with a certain Side. I'm just saying my opinion on what makes sense to me. Personally I predict, SasuSaku at the end if Naruto saves Sasuke and Naruto either alone or with Hinata. Or certain people could die and there goes everyones theory. Haha. Either way I just started this debate because someone told me I wasn't giving a strong enough opinion. Once again, sorry for the bad structure and grammer. I'm on my phone in class. Let me know what you think

Naruto clearly has no desire to talk to Hinata. That is nothing but bad for the pairing. Quite frankly, Naruto could have let her off easy just after the confession and got over Sakura later. But no, he has to get over Sakura before responding. Because that's what the shippers want, thus what will happen.

Hey, remember when the shippers wanted Hinata to go with Naruto to meet the Raikage? Or help Naruto control the Kyuubi? Or hear Kushina talk to Naruto about love, implying that he should be with Hinata? Remember how all that didn't happen?

I'm not expecting Kishimoto to suddenly put Sakura everywhere. I'm just suspecting that he's going in a NaruSaku direction. This is based on his writing style and previous actions.

And Naruto completely ignoring Hinata for 70 chapters and counting wasn't a fumble?

If there was a way to measure double standards, this would have broken the meter.

But no, it's not possible for Naruto and Hinata to be friends, is it? Now that she confessed her true love out of nowhere, Naruto is forced and obligated to love her back uncondictionally?

I get it.

So if two people are friends, the pairing is dead? I'm afraid the "strangers to lovers" theory you apply to Narhin doesn't apply anywhere else, and in order to have a healthy and realistic relationship with somebody, you should at least interract with them more than annually. Naruto and Sakura are already on their way there, and out the big 3, their relationship has the most potential in that regard since they are the closest.

See, the difference between Sakura and Hinata's confessions in that Sakura is actually important to the plot. Almost anything she does will affect it long-term. It has a much larger chance of being addressed.

I can't believe I'm even arguing against this. It speaks for itself. It's not even an argument. Are you truly that desperate for material?

Sakura lied for Naruto's sake. Simple as that. It's a fact. He doesn't know that, he just sees that she lied to him. He doesn't even know the whole truth so he has no basis for his "hate."

He obviously doesn't dislike her in the least. There were many opportunities for Naruto to think about that and how much he "hates" her or "hates" what she did/ But he didn't, and as soon as they were home, nothing had changed. Period.

Not really, considering he's already gotten started on both and the fact that they're main characters helps... In reality, Narhin would be the most work, because not only would he have to make a minor character like Hinata become important to the plot, he'd have to put Naruto through the process of not loving Sakura, getting over her, and work on N/H's relationship. He could have spent the last 500 chapters doing that, but he chose not to.

Comic relief, that's how most tsundere relationships are. I'll take comic relief over dead silence and awkwardness any day. At least there's some interraction there.

And if so.. you're claiming that now that Hinata confessed, Naruto loves her? Or could love her?

My answer to your question, Love doesn't work that way. You could tell someone over and over again that you love them. No, despite what you may believe, after long enough they will NOT love you back.

Even when he thinks about that whole ordeal, he doesn't think about her confession itself but the fact that she was hurt. This indicates that the trigger was not her confession but her injury. tl;dr, her confession itself means to him. A friend got "killed" for his sake and he was pissed off.

Naruto has never had any sort of romantic feelings for Hinata and won't start now after a confession he never bothers to think about.

I don't suppose that if I tell you repeatedly that the confession itself doesn't matter to Naruto, and in fact is a minor detail of the story (her getting hurt is a bigger one) you'll eventually understand it.

You're going on the assumption that even if Kishi bothers to dredge up an unimportant event caused by an unimportant character in the middle of an important arc or anytime in the future that Naruto will have by then developed random ass-pull feelings for a girl he barely speaks to. (He didn't even get a word in when she confessed - it was all her talking.)

And now we're immediately going back to 469 to answer my accusation of the near zero development of NH. The implication being that 469's negative consequences (which NH fans WAAAAY overblow) completely makes up for the absolute zero chemistry between Naruto and Hinata, or even interaction. Not even close. There's way more positive indications for NaruSaku throughout part II, and even part I, to more than dwarf this setback. And as many have pointed out to you several times now, if relations between the two (romantically or not) have been affected in any way, they're not showing it. But then again, lack of any indications or evidence is something that has not stopped NH advocates so far, so...

More hypothetical situations, huh.

But hoping Naruto will get over Sakura over something so minor in his eyes? That's not wishful thinking at all? I take it back: that would have broken the double standard meter.

This is how it will happen:
Naruto: "Hinata, I'm glad you saved me and all, but I just don't feel that way about you."

I'd bet money I don't have on that because it's so frickin' obvious.

The simple fact that NaruHina supporters must use a scene that came from the early days of Naruto to support the cause simply suggests that they really had to gone back THAT far to find anything substantive enough to support their argument.

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100% agree with your post again.