NaruSaku vs. NaruHina - Page 54

Lari18 · 01-31-2012, 09:23 AM

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I have no intention reading that crap. As for the other people opinions? I just use logic.... seriously where do you see NH or SS happening? Just asking people who support this pairing, but then again someone probably already explained. Reading this whole thread is a waste of my time since mostly everyone flaming. People there are things called OPINIONS!! You can debate just don't get mad when someone insult your favorite pairing. Besides I love Narutoxfillergirl way better than Narusaku or Naruhina~( too bad it only fillers.

Another thing you people forgot, Naruto is the last of his clan and don't the Uzumaki have some kind of kekkei genkai? He can have a harem (not sure) so it all works out in the end, unless Kishi decide to be a bastard but oh well!!

EDITED: nvm there 2 Uzumaki left but I doubt Tsunade will find a lover

K.

To be truthfully honest I can't admit I see NH or SS happening because I truly don't see them happening.

NH has very few interactions and Hinata isn't even a major character. But it looks like NH fans just blow everything out of proportion and make those moments mean more than they really do. I mean Naruto NEVER thinks about Hinata unless she's actually talking to him(I say that because even when she's around him he doesn't think about her. The only time he did was during his battle with Neji waaaaaay back in part 1).

I know they are friends but I just don't see Naruto holding this kind of passionate love or feelings for Hinata because she never shows up in his thoughts. She's like on the same level as Shikamaru, Choji, Ino, Kiba, Shino, Lee, etc.

She freaking confessed and it took over 100 chapters for them to even interact again! In between that time he didn't think of her once or even think about finding her to talk about it. To me it shows that she really isn't as important as NH fans make her out to be.

SS has been going downhill since the end of part 1. I mean Sasuke's reply to Sakura's confession pretty much confirmed that his feelings for her didn't go beyond friendship. After that they only met twice and both were bad experiences. Plus Sakura gave up on Sasuke.

But yeah...You're right though that it is possible to debate without flaming. But sometimes you read something you find so unbelievably dumb that you just can't help yourself(You should understand this as you called all our posts 'crap'

).

As for the bold, I like Narutoxfillergirl too :]. Specifically NaruShion. I also like NaruFu, NaruOC, and once I liked NaruAmi(but it's difficult to really get into a pairing when so few people create anything for it. Cept my OTP for Naruto which isn't that popular but I love it so much!).

Blegh on NaruHarem though. I don't think it could happen though even if Naruto was the last Uzumaki because if it could, wouldn't Sasuke have been offered a harem first? Or at least it should've been well known. The girls in the Academy though were fighting each other though instead of talking about how they could all be with Sasuke,

Pinks17 · 01-31-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Night Blade852

For me, NS has all of the points, all of the development and Naruto and Sakura have a much stronger bond than Sasuke and Sakura ever did.
But I've supported NS eversince the begining, where as you've supported SS from the begining. It's hard to change opinions after a long time.
Sure I've fallen victem to the couple wars, but it gets... "adicting"...so to say. Then again, some posts kind of help with my story writing. Ih well

Bro i love how your writing this and saying you see all the points
yet in previous messages your stating you have no emotion nor do you know what love is?
Nothing you can say now bro, unless you want to contradict yourself then by all means... it's cool.

Leafy · 01-31-2012, 11:33 AM

I find it hilarious how far some people will go to support "whatever" anime relationship. I'm not pointing anybody out, this is just an observation.

Pinks17 · 01-31-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggs Darklighter

Actually, Naruto isn't the last of his clan. There were a few survivors of the Uzumaki clan. In chapter 500, Kushina states that the remaining were scattered across the globe. The Uzumaki clan has great knowledge of sealing techniques. Tsunade is not a Uzumaki, she is a Senju. Senju and Uzumaki clans are DISTANT relatives. Hashirama Senju married Kushina's predecessor, Mito Uzumaki. Tsunade is the granddaughter of Hashirama Senju (1st Hokage).

Dang your spot on with everything! ^^

Naruske Uzuchi · 01-31-2012, 05:35 PM

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But yeah...You're right though that it is possible to debate without flaming. But sometimes you read something you find so unbelievably dumb that you just can't help yourself(You should understand this as you called all our posts 'crap' ).

As for the bold, I like Narutoxfillergirl too :]. Specifically NaruShion. I also like NaruFu, NaruOC, and once I liked NaruAmi(but it's difficult to really get into a pairing when so few people create anything for it. Cept my OTP for Naruto which isn't that popular but I love it so much!).

Blegh on NaruHarem though. I don't think it could happen though even if Naruto was the last Uzumaki because if it could, wouldn't Sasuke have been offered a harem first? Or at least it should've been well known. The girls in the Academy though were fighting each other though instead of talking about how they could all be with Sasuke,

When I said the word ''crap'' it meant that I don't want to read all them post since it will take a while adding to the fact I hate reading and some post are just too long. As for Sasuke? hmmn I think you got to be 18 to be a clan leader and Sasuke left Konoha before he could, hence why he probably didn't have one. Well, I really don't know what age you have to be

Pinks17 · 01-31-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Night Blade852

bro, I know what love is but never felt it. Are you calling me a lyer? because I can play that game if you wish.

It's hard to believe your a writer when you make the dumbest grammatical error there is!

Spelling!!
LIAR! not LYER
SMH!

And actually yeah the more you talk i'm starting to think you are...

Pinks17 · 01-31-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Naruske Uzuchi

When I said the word ''crap'' it meant that I don't want to read all them post since it will take a while adding to the fact I hate reading and some post are just too long. As for Sasuke? hmmn I think you got to be 18 to be a clan leader and Sasuke left Konoha before he could, hence why he probably didn't have one. Well, I really don't know what age you have to be

I know too many people post LONG pieces of "crap"
This was just an opinion poll not your life story of what your flammin about!
Sheesh! ^^

And the age.. you got to be a man!

Biggs Darklighter · 01-31-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lari18

K.

To be truthfully honest I can't admit I see NH or SS happening because I truly don't see them happening.

NH has very few interactions and Hinata isn't even a major character. But it looks like NH fans just blow everything out of proportion and make those moments mean more than they really do. I mean Naruto NEVER thinks about Hinata unless she's actually talking to him(I say that because even when she's around him he doesn't think about her. The only time he did was during his battle with Neji waaaaaay back in part 1).

I know they are friends but I just don't see Naruto holding this kind of passionate love or feelings for Hinata because she never shows up in his thoughts. She's like on the same level as Shikamaru, Choji, Ino, Kiba, Shino, Lee, etc.

She freaking confessed and it took over 100 chapters for them to even interact again! In between that time he didn't think of her once or even think about finding her to talk about it. To me it shows that she really isn't as important as NH fans make her out to be.

SS has been going downhill since the end of part 1. I mean Sasuke's reply to Sakura's confession pretty much confirmed that his feelings for her didn't go beyond friendship. After that they only met twice and both were bad experiences. Plus Sakura gave up on Sasuke.

But yeah...You're right though that it is possible to debate without flaming. But sometimes you read something you find so unbelievably dumb that you just can't help yourself(You should understand this as you called all our posts 'crap'

).

As for the bold, I like Narutoxfillergirl too :]. Specifically NaruShion. I also like NaruFu, NaruOC, and once I liked NaruAmi(but it's difficult to really get into a pairing when so few people create anything for it. Cept my OTP for Naruto which isn't that popular but I love it so much!).

Blegh on NaruHarem though. I don't think it could happen though even if Naruto was the last Uzumaki because if it could, wouldn't Sasuke have been offered a harem first? Or at least it should've been well known. The girls in the Academy though were fighting each other though instead of talking about how they could all be with Sasuke,

NH:

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NS:

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Naruske Uzuchi · 01-31-2012, 05:52 PM

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I know too many people post LONG pieces of "crap"
This was just an opinion poll not your life story of what your flammin about!
Sheesh! ^^

I don't mind the post, but if I have to go back to the beginning

no way!

Lari18 · 01-31-2012, 06:20 PM

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When I said the word ''crap'' it meant that I don't want to read all them post since it will take a while adding to the fact I hate reading and some post are just too long. As for Sasuke? hmmn I think you got to be 18 to be a clan leader and Sasuke left Konoha before he could, hence why he probably didn't have one. Well, I really don't know what age you have to be

Oh okay. Yeah that's where we differ. I love reading so I can stand reading longass posts. Yeah but if it was possible I think we'd know about it XD. Like maybe a passing reference to it or something lol.

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Bro it's hard to believe your a writer when you make the dumbest grammatical error there is!

Spelling!!
LIAR! not LYER
SMH!

Bro spelling and grammar are two different things. You can't say that he has a grammar error(which I don't see) and then point out a spelling mistake.

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I know that NaruSaku is bigger in Japan(and I think it's pretty big in Europe) but I live in America and visit American-based sites where the vast majority is NaruHina(even on this site most of the couple polls I look at NaruHina wins). So it kind of feels lonely in this country lol. But if you are refering to that fanmail thing, Kishimoto DID mention in an interview that it was NaruHina mail he got. Since then I don't think he's mentioned any other couple fans. I agree with the last sentence.

WithxMyxUnseeingxEye · 01-31-2012, 11:43 PM

It's so fun to read everyone's posts...

Kakashi! · 02-01-2012, 05:29 AM

SasuSaku on the other hand, is the only pairing in which i feel that there was nothing particularly good or inspiring between either character, besides a modest friendship at best, because it quite frankly brought out the very worst in Sakura's character and in the end it made her more miserable than not.

Kakashi! · 02-01-2012, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by WithxMyxUnseeingxEye

It's so fun to read everyone's posts...

haha it is, isn't it?

Kakashi! · 02-01-2012, 07:35 AM

As for the red herring, with a NaruHina ending, NaruSaku IS the red herring (reverse is also true, NaruSaku ending makes NaruHina the red herring). The fact that NaruSaku has been more of a focus in the story has nothing to do with it. Still not sure you really understand what a red herring is. I mean the story could be 95% about NaruSaku, yet if he end with Hinata, NaruSaku would still be a red herring.

Black Owl · 02-01-2012, 07:56 AM

I can't believe I'm explaining this, but I might as well. A red herring is a misleading clue. The point of a red herring is to be simple and subtle. For example, Pain being the leader of Akatsuki was a red herring. If NaruSaku is a red herring, it is the most ridiculously overdeveloped red herring ever!

The fact is, neither NaruHina nor NaruSaku is a red herring. Both are relationships that don't seem to have developed to the romantic level on both sides. They can't be red herrings because they don't subtly draw your attention away from the other pairing.

Love doesn't work like that. Realizing how someone else feels about you will not change your own feelings. What will make you fall for or realize you love someone else is discovering something about yourself. Want examples? You got it!

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Hinata fell in love with Naruto because Naruto caused her to realize that she could better herself and become stronger.

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Kushina realized that her appearance wasn't something she had to be ashamed of.

It doesn't matter than Naruto knows how Hinata feels. That isn't going to change his own feelings. Same goes for Sakura. The only thing that will make her own feelings change is realizing something about herself that she hadn't before. I believe that is highly likely to happen.

Since not one of these characters denied that Sakura loved Naruto. You see, the problem is that it's confirmed that Sakura lied about being over Sasuke, none of them believed that. However, it's not clear if the entire confession was a lie. Now that is just speculation, but you're one who keeps saying that you look at things in a non-bias way. Well, without bias I can say that it wasn't made clear that Sakura doesn't have romantic feelings for Naruto.

So NaruHina will be cannon because of a lack of development. Look, Kishimoto doesn't have to beat us over the head with it. Take Kurenai and Asuma for example. Kishimoto didn't beat us over the head with them having a romantic relationship. Just a hint here and there. With Naruto and Hinata, they hardly have a working relationship of any kind! Here's a wild idea, why not show them actually acting like friends? It makes a lot more sense for friends to end up together than two people who hardly know each other. Let's take the search for Sasuke, when Team 7 and Team 8 worked together. I expected to see something happen between Naruto and Hinata. Nothing major, just an indication that they were closer than they were before. What did we get?

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That's all? This is what you think a cannon pairing looks like? Yeah, two people who are close friends and constantly becoming closer, that's not a possible romantic relationship. But this is!? Stop reading your fanfics and try the manga.

Sakura felt bad for Naruto because she hurt him so much. She wanted to make it up to him, but knew that she couldn't. She also knew that the village wanted Sasuke dead, but that Naruto wouldn't agree to it. So, she decided to shoulder the burden herself, to prevent Naruto from having to. She also thought to confess to Naruto in hopes of lessening the pain.

That was her motivation. It was far more complicated that you make it out to be.

For the 7th time I will try to explain this to you. Please Try and Read the Comment in the Data-book:

What feelings does she harbor towards Naruto?... As of now, Sakura hasn't found the answer.

The Comment asks what feelings does Sakura harbor towards Naruto and than says, Sakura doesn't know the answer. So are you saying Sakura didn't know she had strong platonic feelings for Naruto before the confession?

Besides that what in the confession confirms that she has found the answer to these feelings? Not once is their a comment in that confession where Sakura indicates that the answer to these feelings is that they are simple platonic.

I'm assuming you guys don't know this:

American Culture Confession = To See how the other person feels
Japanese Culture Confession = Confessing to make your feeling known
American Culture Confession = Expect a response in return
Japanese Culture Confession = Don't necessarily expect a response in return

Another interesting thing about Japanese culture is the way that Sakura treats Naruto, being violent, calling him an idiot, etc... is the traditional japanese way that a girl would treat a boy she likes or her boyfriend. The way Sakura treats Sasuke to indicate she likes him would be considered weird in Japanese culture and not the proper way to address ones feelings as well as potentially a sign that the relationship is doomed.

Simply put if a casual Japanese person read the manga, they would assume from Sakura's actions she has some romantic feelings for Naruto. While they would also assume her romantic relationship with Sasuke is dysfunctional.

I know all this because I'm taking a Japanese Course in college and my teacher is a Japanese women and has explained to us the cultural differences in how Japanese people handle relationships vs how Americans handle relationships.

(I've seen a comment on here saying that "Sakura hits Naruto and doesn't care for him" so, I thought I could point that out.) Oh and sorry for the late reply to that. Real life.

Oh and the very reason I put romantic in quotation marks was to indicate that I'm aware that romance is subjective, and that the romantic development for these two characters was as well. I would argue that the fact that they grew closer, that they became deeper friends, in addition to the fact that Naruto has had a crush on Sakura since among the first chapters of the manga (it was first shown in chapter 3 or 4 I think) can be construed as romantic. Especially since the romantic side of their relationship comes from Naruto, the titular character (if it were the opposite, with the romance originating on Sakura's side rather than Naruto's, I do think the same could still be said; however, I think that as it is there's a stronger argument for it).

But if you want examples of romantic growth, indications of romantic potential. The way Sakura stared (and maybe blushed, don't remember) when Naruto first returned to Konoha, the way she asked him if she seemed more "womanly," the fact that she couldn't get over how much he'd "grown up," the way (as mentioned earlier) she reacted with shock when Yamato hinted at the depth of her feelings for Sakura, hell even after the Pain's invasion, when healing Hinata and thinking "You really love him, don't you?" or whatever, the fact that the image she had of Naruto in her mind was a great, proud, heroic pose. That that's who she saw now when she thought of him. The very fact that she could bring herself to hug Naruto after he returned to the village (Kakashi's reaction to the hug, Kakashi who doesn't show emotions, who perhaps knows Sakura even more than Naruto does, who knows "Sakura and Naruto" as a team, as friends, as a couple/unit more than anyone else).

The fact that she could bring herself to tell Naruto she loves him, even if it was a lie, even if it was to bring him home so he'd stop running after Sasuke, stop endangering himself; remember this is the same girl who when asked what she hates the most in all the world replied with Naruto (yes she was being a silly little brat, but that was her reply, and she was as serious about hating Naruto as she was about "loving" Sasuke back then). All could be seen as Kishi slowly developing the romance on Sakura's side. Because as of now, even after the confession, there's not need to develop Naruto's romantic feelings for Sakura, his feelings for Sakura have been established.

We can't say that Sakura agrees with Naruto's opinion of her feelings, her rawest moment of the whole confession was when Naruto presumed to know what Sakura felt over herself; she reacted quickly, suddenly, and with anger. Why anger? Many possibilities, the most probable (IMO) being that she's angry that someone's claiming to know her feelings when she herself does not.

Lee's reaction, his anger, can't be said to definitely mean that he thinks Sakura's lying. In fact, is the hardest to read (other than Kakashi who'll I'll address later), it can easily be said that his anger/shock is a result of the fact that Sakura made a love confession to anyone but himself. He still has a think for Sakura.

Kiba's reaction, seems to be confusion as well as a moment of realization. He seemed to observe Sakura the most during their travels, he seemed the most concerned and confused by how quiet Sakura was (which makes complete sense considering Kiba has known Sakura the longest among him, Sai and Lee).

Sai himself said that Sakura loves Sasuke, so we do know that he thinks that her confession is partially or totally fake. But he's also aware of Sakura's feelings for Naruto, he is aware of how protective Sakura and Naruto are and can be of each other, if not he would not have gone to Sakura with his concerns about Naruto earlier. (I think the way Sai interacts with Sakura and Naruto, as if they are his family unit, the ties the bind, the ppl he learns emotions from, the mommy and daddy-not indicating romance- is incredibly interesting, actually).

Yamato's reaction is definitely anger, he wants to stop Sakura, he doesn't like that Sakura is using and manipulating Naruto. But it also must be considered that at this point, Yamato has bonded with Naruto to a far greater extent than he has with Sakura. He was brought on as Kakashi's temporary replacement because of his powers over Kyuubi, he has helped train Naruto, has even performed a combination jutsu with Naruto. Yamato is to Naruto, as Shizune is to Sakura, meaning just like Shizune has a Sakura bias, knows Sakura's abilities, and is willing to give Sakura a greater benefit of the doubt than she is Naruto, Yamato would do the same for Naruot over Sakura.

Kakashi is the most difficult to decipher in this moment for the very reason that he does not show emotion, and does not say much. He prevents Yamato from budding in, so obviously thinks that Sakura deserves the opportunity to speak (but of course that's a result of the fact that Kakashi is probably equally loyal to Sakura as he is to Naruto since they're both his students/soldiers, and he has watched them both grow). The only thing he says is "Sakura, you..." which could be accusatory, or could be sympathetic. The issue is, since he doesn't show emotions, since there aren't other captions to indicate what he's thinking, it's hard to decipher what his "tone" could have been at that moment. So we have to jump forward a few chapters, and in his next chapters with Sakura he apologizes to her, for placing this burden on her (and Naruto's) shoulders (well before that he indicates that he's proud that Sakura could one shot Kiba, Lee and Sai anyway...) indicating that his thought in the earlier chapter would probably have been more sympathetic than accusatory (though it's probably a mixture).

Having said that, this does not indicate what he thinks of the confession, his opinion of it (which is interesting, and unsurprising since his actual reaction to the validity of the "confession" is probably the most important -yes moreso than even Naruto or Sakura's- because it can be argued that he's been watching them, observing them, watching them grow from a closer and more objective angle than anyone else). But as previously mentioned, he who never shows emotions, was unable to control his reaction to Sakura hugging Naruto, indicating a possible change, indicating that was a significant moment in regards to Naruto and Sakura's relationship.

(Note: This post wasn't exactly for the person above me, but for the posts I've read so far. Yes, and I have to agree with you, this is a pretty huge post. I just get 'angry' when people ignore my post/s.. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone.. But, yup)

katsu uchiha · 02-01-2012, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Owl

I can't believe I'm explaining this, but I might as well. A red herring is a misleading clue. The point of a red herring is to be simple and subtle. For example, Pain being the leader of Akatsuki was a red herring. If NaruSaku is a red herring, it is the most ridiculously overdeveloped red herring ever!

The fact is, neither NaruHina nor NaruSaku is a red herring. Both are relationships that don't seem to have developed to the romantic level on both sides. They can't be red herrings because they don't subtly draw your attention away from the other pairing.

Love doesn't work like that. Realizing how someone else feels about you will not change your own feelings. What will make you fall for or realize you love someone else is discovering something about yourself. Want examples? You got it!

Spoiler:

Hinata fell in love with Naruto because Naruto caused her to realize that she could better herself and become stronger.

Spoiler:

Kushina realized that her appearance wasn't something she had to be ashamed of.

It doesn't matter than Naruto knows how Hinata feels. That isn't going to change his own feelings. Same goes for Sakura. The only thing that will make her own feelings change is realizing something about herself that she hadn't before. I believe that is highly likely to happen.

Since not one of these characters denied that Sakura loved Naruto. You see, the problem is that it's confirmed that Sakura lied about being over Sasuke, none of them believed that. However, it's not clear if the entire confession was a lie. Now that is just speculation, but you're one who keeps saying that you look at things in a non-bias way. Well, without bias I can say that it wasn't made clear that Sakura doesn't have romantic feelings for Naruto.

So NaruHina will be cannon because of a lack of development. Look, Kishimoto doesn't have to beat us over the head with it. Take Kurenai and Asuma for example. Kishimoto didn't beat us over the head with them having a romantic relationship. Just a hint here and there. With Naruto and Hinata, they hardly have a working relationship of any kind! Here's a wild idea, why not show them actually acting like friends? It makes a lot more sense for friends to end up together than two people who hardly know each other. Let's take the search for Sasuke, when Team 7 and Team 8 worked together. I expected to see something happen between Naruto and Hinata. Nothing major, just an indication that they were closer than they were before. What did we get?

Spoiler:

That's all? This is what you think a cannon pairing looks like? Yeah, two people who are close friends and constantly becoming closer, that's not a possible romantic relationship. But this is!? Stop reading your fanfics and try the manga.

Sakura felt bad for Naruto because she hurt him so much. She wanted to make it up to him, but knew that she couldn't. She also knew that the village wanted Sasuke dead, but that Naruto wouldn't agree to it. So, she decided to shoulder the burden herself, to prevent Naruto from having to. She also thought to confess to Naruto in hopes of lessening the pain.

That was her motivation. It was far more complicated that you make it out to be.

For the 7th time I will try to explain this to you. Please Try and Read the Comment in the Data-book:

What feelings does she harbor towards Naruto?... As of now, Sakura hasn't found the answer.

The Comment asks what feelings does Sakura harbor towards Naruto and than says, Sakura doesn't know the answer. So are you saying Sakura didn't know she had strong platonic feelings for Naruto before the confession?

Besides that what in the confession confirms that she has found the answer to these feelings? Not once is their a comment in that confession where Sakura indicates that the answer to these feelings is that they are simple platonic.

I'm assuming you guys don't know this:

American Culture Confession = To See how the other person feels
Japanese Culture Confession = Confessing to make your feeling known
American Culture Confession = Expect a response in return
Japanese Culture Confession = Don't necessarily expect a response in return

Another interesting thing about Japanese culture is the way that Sakura treats Naruto, being violent, calling him an idiot, etc... is the traditional japanese way that a girl would treat a boy she likes or her boyfriend. The way Sakura treats Sasuke to indicate she likes him would be considered weird in Japanese culture and not the proper way to address ones feelings as well as potentially a sign that the relationship is doomed.

Simply put if a casual Japanese person read the manga, they would assume from Sakura's actions she has some romantic feelings for Naruto. While they would also assume her romantic relationship with Sasuke is dysfunctional.

I know all this because I'm taking a Japanese Course in college and my teacher is a Japanese women and has explained to us the cultural differences in how Japanese people handle relationships vs how Americans handle relationships.

(I've seen a comment on here saying that "Sakura hits Naruto and doesn't care for him" so, I thought I could point that out.) Oh and sorry for the late reply to that. Real life.

Oh and the very reason I put romantic in quotation marks was to indicate that I'm aware that romance is subjective, and that the romantic development for these two characters was as well. I would argue that the fact that they grew closer, that they became deeper friends, in addition to the fact that Naruto has had a crush on Sakura since among the first chapters of the manga (it was first shown in chapter 3 or 4 I think) can be construed as romantic. Especially since the romantic side of their relationship comes from Naruto, the titular character (if it were the opposite, with the romance originating on Sakura's side rather than Naruto's, I do think the same could still be said; however, I think that as it is there's a stronger argument for it).

But if you want examples of romantic growth, indications of romantic potential. The way Sakura stared (and maybe blushed, don't remember) when Naruto first returned to Konoha, the way she asked him if she seemed more "womanly," the fact that she couldn't get over how much he'd "grown up," the way (as mentioned earlier) she reacted with shock when Yamato hinted at the depth of her feelings for Sakura, hell even after the Pain's invasion, when healing Hinata and thinking "You really love him, don't you?" or whatever, the fact that the image she had of Naruto in her mind was a great, proud, heroic pose. That that's who she saw now when she thought of him. The very fact that she could bring herself to hug Naruto after he returned to the village (Kakashi's reaction to the hug, Kakashi who doesn't show emotions, who perhaps knows Sakura even more than Naruto does, who knows "Sakura and Naruto" as a team, as friends, as a couple/unit more than anyone else).

The fact that she could bring herself to tell Naruto she loves him, even if it was a lie, even if it was to bring him home so he'd stop running after Sasuke, stop endangering himself; remember this is the same girl who when asked what she hates the most in all the world replied with Naruto (yes she was being a silly little brat, but that was her reply, and she was as serious about hating Naruto as she was about "loving" Sasuke back then). All could be seen as Kishi slowly developing the romance on Sakura's side. Because as of now, even after the confession, there's not need to develop Naruto's romantic feelings for Sakura, his feelings for Sakura have been established.

We can't say that Sakura agrees with Naruto's opinion of her feelings, her rawest moment of the whole confession was when Naruto presumed to know what Sakura felt over herself; she reacted quickly, suddenly, and with anger. Why anger? Many possibilities, the most probable (IMO) being that she's angry that someone's claiming to know her feelings when she herself does not.

Lee's reaction, his anger, can't be said to definitely mean that he thinks Sakura's lying. In fact, is the hardest to read (other than Kakashi who'll I'll address later), it can easily be said that his anger/shock is a result of the fact that Sakura made a love confession to anyone but himself. He still has a think for Sakura.

Kiba's reaction, seems to be confusion as well as a moment of realization. He seemed to observe Sakura the most during their travels, he seemed the most concerned and confused by how quiet Sakura was (which makes complete sense considering Kiba has known Sakura the longest among him, Sai and Lee).

Sai himself said that Sakura loves Sasuke, so we do know that he thinks that her confession is partially or totally fake. But he's also aware of Sakura's feelings for Naruto, he is aware of how protective Sakura and Naruto are and can be of each other, if not he would not have gone to Sakura with his concerns about Naruto earlier. (I think the way Sai interacts with Sakura and Naruto, as if they are his family unit, the ties the bind, the ppl he learns emotions from, the mommy and daddy-not indicating romance- is incredibly interesting, actually).

Yamato's reaction is definitely anger, he wants to stop Sakura, he doesn't like that Sakura is using and manipulating Naruto. But it also must be considered that at this point, Yamato has bonded with Naruto to a far greater extent than he has with Sakura. He was brought on as Kakashi's temporary replacement because of his powers over Kyuubi, he has helped train Naruto, has even performed a combination jutsu with Naruto. Yamato is to Naruto, as Shizune is to Sakura, meaning just like Shizune has a Sakura bias, knows Sakura's abilities, and is willing to give Sakura a greater benefit of the doubt than she is Naruto, Yamato would do the same for Naruot over Sakura.

Kakashi is the most difficult to decipher in this moment for the very reason that he does not show emotion, and does not say much. He prevents Yamato from budding in, so obviously thinks that Sakura deserves the opportunity to speak (but of course that's a result of the fact that Kakashi is probably equally loyal to Sakura as he is to Naruto since they're both his students/soldiers, and he has watched them both grow). The only thing he says is "Sakura, you..." which could be accusatory, or could be sympathetic. The issue is, since he doesn't show emotions, since there aren't other captions to indicate what he's thinking, it's hard to decipher what his "tone" could have been at that moment. So we have to jump forward a few chapters, and in his next chapters with Sakura he apologizes to her, for placing this burden on her (and Naruto's) shoulders (well before that he indicates that he's proud that Sakura could one shot Kiba, Lee and Sai anyway...) indicating that his thought in the earlier chapter would probably have been more sympathetic than accusatory (though it's probably a mixture).

Having said that, this does not indicate what he thinks of the confession, his opinion of it (which is interesting, and unsurprising since his actual reaction to the validity of the "confession" is probably the most important -yes moreso than even Naruto or Sakura's- because it can be argued that he's been watching them, observing them, watching them grow from a closer and more objective angle than anyone else). But as previously mentioned, he who never shows emotions, was unable to control his reaction to Sakura hugging Naruto, indicating a possible change, indicating that was a significant moment in regards to Naruto and Sakura's relationship.

(Note: This post wasn't exactly for the person above me, but for the posts I've read so far. Yes, and I have to agree with you, this is a pretty huge post. I just get 'angry' when people ignore my post/s.. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone.. But, yup)

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Lol i doubt anyone will read this post above me! ^
^^ xD

@Pinks17 Wrong! I just read it and Black Owl has taken the time to write some very valid points I might add.

@Black Owl. Awesum post!

Would give you some rep for your very extensive and intricate post but I have to spread some around before I can give you some again.

Pinks17 · 02-01-2012, 12:37 PM

Dang ya did!
There i deleted my previous comment!
And the reason why, is cuz it's too long ive read most of his points already and
also this is just supposed to be a an opinion fourm! ^^
Nice Katsu!

Night Blade852 · 02-03-2012, 06:28 PM

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I'm not saying I don't have emotions, I'm just saying that I just don't know how to really love back. I never had friends when I was growing up in elementry, and still don't in highschool. Yes, I want my girlfriend to be happy, just so long as she makes the right choice, Whether it be me, or some other guy who may be able to give her a better life. But whenever you've grown up like I have...you turn your back on making friends, or at least I did. Sure I can be friendly, but that's all I have to offer. Though my girlfriend is trying to get me out of this. But it's just no working.

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Actualy no. I'm not really living life on the web...well maybe in a way...
But ask yourself this. If you've been alone throughout most of your life, and no one has ever aproched you...what would you do? You may be outgoing toward people and social and know how to make friends.
Whenever I tried to make friends, people from my own school told me to shut up and go away. It hurt, and it still hurts. And the friends I do have are not even close to me. The only best friend I have that I can touch and talk too whenever I feel down is my girlfriend.

It's not that I don't want to make friends...I can't. And those feelings that a really good friend gives you...never felt them. I've only had one verry good friend. Then he moved away without even telling me. He never wrote or called, so I doubt he was really even a friend.

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bro, I know what love is but never felt it. Are you calling me a lyer? because I can play that game if you wish.

Ok ALL OF THES! IGNORE THEM! This guy who wrote them has a reason why he dosen't have ANY friends! I once called him a friend, but after I saw he did this...just...NO! Not putting up with his SH?T anymore.
He complains that he dosen't have any friends but he does stuff like this!

Pinks and Biggs I'm SO Sorry you put up with this guy. If you want to I'll take your bashing for him. Just send me some private messages and bash me for making my profile look bad.

I've had to go through EVERY SINGLE thread and apologize for this guy. I'm in a hurry so I'm probably misspelling a ton of crap right now, but I don't care!
I've probably lost at least 79% of my web friends who are fellow authors because of this guy! His name is Jacob just incase you wanted to know.

Yeah, he complains he has no friends at all, but he comes onto MY vomputer, brings up my Hotmail and discussion foroms and lies on EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM!!

I'm not meaning to rant and rant here, but *Screams and pulls hair out* His so called "friendship" with me in DONE! He lied about everything. He's verry emotional, he has no girlfriend and he has NO life whatsoever!
Maybe from now on I'm just going to log off of my profile.

But yeah, if any of you guys are mad at this profile just send me some hate mail or something. He pretty much just ruined my life now. I won't take it personal or anything, but his lying will never happen here again. I promise that!

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go apologise to around 75 fanfiction authors who I became really good friends with. I'm REALLY sorry he did this! None of you guys probably care, but I need to do this anyway.

I'm going to delete those other posts. *readys self for tons of bashing* Kind of deserve it from how I've acted in the past anyway.

Pinks17 · 02-03-2012, 07:41 PM

So how long has he been on your CPU and on your profile!?
Cuz he's been saying a lot of annoying things lately especially with this forum and other people. ( friends of mine also. )

Schnarf · 02-03-2012, 07:48 PM

Whoever made this thread had to know it'd be full of fighting fanboy/girls lol.

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01-31-2012, 11:33 AM	#1063
Leafy has a deathwish! Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: In distant skies Posts: 6,029 Rep Power: 13 Member's Picture Albums	Re: NaruSaku vs. NaruHina I find it hilarious how far some people will go to support "whatever" anime relationship. I'm not pointing anybody out, this is just an observation. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

01-31-2012, 11:43 PM	#1071
WithxMyxUnseeingxEye Freshmen Academy Student Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Konoha Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Re: NaruSaku vs. NaruHina It's so fun to read everyone's posts...

02-01-2012, 05:29 AM	#1072
Kakashi! Freshmen Academy Student Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: In a land far far far far away! Posts: 24 Rep Power: 3	Re: NaruSaku vs. NaruHina SasuSaku on the other hand, is the only pairing in which i feel that there was nothing particularly good or inspiring between either character, besides a modest friendship at best, because it quite frankly brought out the very worst in Sakura's character and in the end it made her more miserable than not.

02-01-2012, 07:35 AM	#1074
Kakashi! Freshmen Academy Student Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: In a land far far far far away! Posts: 24 Rep Power: 3	Re: NaruSaku vs. NaruHina As for the red herring, with a NaruHina ending, NaruSaku IS the red herring (reverse is also true, NaruSaku ending makes NaruHina the red herring). The fact that NaruSaku has been more of a focus in the story has nothing to do with it. Still not sure you really understand what a red herring is. I mean the story could be 95% about NaruSaku, yet if he end with Hinata, NaruSaku would still be a red herring.

02-01-2012, 07:56 AM	#1075
Black Owl Apprentice Genin Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 195 Rep Power: 3 Member's Picture Albums	Re: NaruSaku vs. NaruHina I can't believe I'm explaining this, but I might as well. A red herring is a misleading clue. The point of a red herring is to be simple and subtle. For example, Pain being the leader of Akatsuki was a red herring. If NaruSaku is a red herring, it is the most ridiculously overdeveloped red herring ever! The fact is, neither NaruHina nor NaruSaku is a red herring. Both are relationships that don't seem to have developed to the romantic level on both sides. They can't be red herrings because they don't subtly draw your attention away from the other pairing. Love doesn't work like that. Realizing how someone else feels about you will not change your own feelings. What will make you fall for or realize you love someone else is discovering something about yourself. Want examples? You got it! Spoiler: Chapter 437, page 11 Hinata fell in love with Naruto because Naruto caused her to realize that she could better herself and become stronger. Spoiler: Chapter 498 page 15 Kushina realized that her appearance wasn't something she had to be ashamed of. It doesn't matter than Naruto knows how Hinata feels. That isn't going to change his own feelings. Same goes for Sakura. The only thing that will make her own feelings change is realizing something about herself that she hadn't before. I believe that is highly likely to happen. Since not one of these characters denied that Sakura loved Naruto. You see, the problem is that it's confirmed that Sakura lied about being over Sasuke, none of them believed that. However, it's not clear if the entire confession was a lie. Now that is just speculation, but you're one who keeps saying that you look at things in a non-bias way. Well, without bias I can say that it wasn't made clear that Sakura doesn't have romantic feelings for Naruto. So NaruHina will be cannon because of a lack of development. Look, Kishimoto doesn't have to beat us over the head with it. Take Kurenai and Asuma for example. Kishimoto didn't beat us over the head with them having a romantic relationship. Just a hint here and there. With Naruto and Hinata, they hardly have a working relationship of any kind! Here's a wild idea, why not show them actually acting like friends? It makes a lot more sense for friends to end up together than two people who hardly know each other. Let's take the search for Sasuke, when Team 7 and Team 8 worked together. I expected to see something happen between Naruto and Hinata. Nothing major, just an indication that they were closer than they were before. What did we get? Spoiler: Chapter 355, page 4 That's all? This is what you think a cannon pairing looks like? Yeah, two people who are close friends and constantly becoming closer, that's not a possible romantic relationship. But this is!? Stop reading your fanfics and try the manga. Sakura felt bad for Naruto because she hurt him so much. She wanted to make it up to him, but knew that she couldn't. She also knew that the village wanted Sasuke dead, but that Naruto wouldn't agree to it. So, she decided to shoulder the burden herself, to prevent Naruto from having to. She also thought to confess to Naruto in hopes of lessening the pain. That was her motivation. It was far more complicated that you make it out to be. For the 7th time I will try to explain this to you. Please Try and Read the Comment in the Data-book: What feelings does she harbor towards Naruto?... As of now, Sakura hasn't found the answer. The Comment asks what feelings does Sakura harbor towards Naruto and than says, Sakura doesn't know the answer. So are you saying Sakura didn't know she had strong platonic feelings for Naruto before the confession? Besides that what in the confession confirms that she has found the answer to these feelings? Not once is their a comment in that confession where Sakura indicates that the answer to these feelings is that they are simple platonic. I'm assuming you guys don't know this: American Culture Confession = To See how the other person feels Japanese Culture Confession = Confessing to make your feeling known American Culture Confession = Expect a response in return Japanese Culture Confession = Don't necessarily expect a response in return Another interesting thing about Japanese culture is the way that Sakura treats Naruto, being violent, calling him an idiot, etc... is the traditional japanese way that a girl would treat a boy she likes or her boyfriend. The way Sakura treats Sasuke to indicate she likes him would be considered weird in Japanese culture and not the proper way to address ones feelings as well as potentially a sign that the relationship is doomed. Simply put if a casual Japanese person read the manga, they would assume from Sakura's actions she has some romantic feelings for Naruto. While they would also assume her romantic relationship with Sasuke is dysfunctional. I know all this because I'm taking a Japanese Course in college and my teacher is a Japanese women and has explained to us the cultural differences in how Japanese people handle relationships vs how Americans handle relationships. (I've seen a comment on here saying that "Sakura hits Naruto and doesn't care for him" so, I thought I could point that out.) Oh and sorry for the late reply to that. Real life. Oh and the very reason I put romantic in quotation marks was to indicate that I'm aware that romance is subjective, and that the romantic development for these two characters was as well. I would argue that the fact that they grew closer, that they became deeper friends, in addition to the fact that Naruto has had a crush on Sakura since among the first chapters of the manga (it was first shown in chapter 3 or 4 I think) can be construed as romantic. Especially since the romantic side of their relationship comes from Naruto, the titular character (if it were the opposite, with the romance originating on Sakura's side rather than Naruto's, I do think the same could still be said; however, I think that as it is there's a stronger argument for it). But if you want examples of romantic growth, indications of romantic potential. The way Sakura stared (and maybe blushed, don't remember) when Naruto first returned to Konoha, the way she asked him if she seemed more "womanly," the fact that she couldn't get over how much he'd "grown up," the way (as mentioned earlier) she reacted with shock when Yamato hinted at the depth of her feelings for Sakura, hell even after the Pain's invasion, when healing Hinata and thinking "You really love him, don't you?" or whatever, the fact that the image she had of Naruto in her mind was a great, proud, heroic pose. That that's who she saw now when she thought of him. The very fact that she could bring herself to hug Naruto after he returned to the village (Kakashi's reaction to the hug, Kakashi who doesn't show emotions, who perhaps knows Sakura even more than Naruto does, who knows "Sakura and Naruto" as a team, as friends, as a couple/unit more than anyone else). The fact that she could bring herself to tell Naruto she loves him, even if it was a lie, even if it was to bring him home so he'd stop running after Sasuke, stop endangering himself; remember this is the same girl who when asked what she hates the most in all the world replied with Naruto (yes she was being a silly little brat, but that was her reply, and she was as serious about hating Naruto as she was about "loving" Sasuke back then). All could be seen as Kishi slowly developing the romance on Sakura's side. Because as of now, even after the confession, there's not need to develop Naruto's romantic feelings for Sakura, his feelings for Sakura have been established. We can't say that Sakura agrees with Naruto's opinion of her feelings, her rawest moment of the whole confession was when Naruto presumed to know what Sakura felt over herself; she reacted quickly, suddenly, and with anger. Why anger? Many possibilities, the most probable (IMO) being that she's angry that someone's claiming to know her feelings when she herself does not. Lee's reaction, his anger, can't be said to definitely mean that he thinks Sakura's lying. In fact, is the hardest to read (other than Kakashi who'll I'll address later), it can easily be said that his anger/shock is a result of the fact that Sakura made a love confession to anyone but himself. He still has a think for Sakura. Kiba's reaction, seems to be confusion as well as a moment of realization. He seemed to observe Sakura the most during their travels, he seemed the most concerned and confused by how quiet Sakura was (which makes complete sense considering Kiba has known Sakura the longest among him, Sai and Lee). Sai himself said that Sakura loves Sasuke, so we do know that he thinks that her confession is partially or totally fake. But he's also aware of Sakura's feelings for Naruto, he is aware of how protective Sakura and Naruto are and can be of each other, if not he would not have gone to Sakura with his concerns about Naruto earlier. (I think the way Sai interacts with Sakura and Naruto, as if they are his family unit, the ties the bind, the ppl he learns emotions from, the mommy and daddy-not indicating romance- is incredibly interesting, actually). Yamato's reaction is definitely anger, he wants to stop Sakura, he doesn't like that Sakura is using and manipulating Naruto. But it also must be considered that at this point, Yamato has bonded with Naruto to a far greater extent than he has with Sakura. He was brought on as Kakashi's temporary replacement because of his powers over Kyuubi, he has helped train Naruto, has even performed a combination jutsu with Naruto. Yamato is to Naruto, as Shizune is to Sakura, meaning just like Shizune has a Sakura bias, knows Sakura's abilities, and is willing to give Sakura a greater benefit of the doubt than she is Naruto, Yamato would do the same for Naruot over Sakura. Kakashi is the most difficult to decipher in this moment for the very reason that he does not show emotion, and does not say much. He prevents Yamato from budding in, so obviously thinks that Sakura deserves the opportunity to speak (but of course that's a result of the fact that Kakashi is probably equally loyal to Sakura as he is to Naruto since they're both his students/soldiers, and he has watched them both grow). The only thing he says is "Sakura, you..." which could be accusatory, or could be sympathetic. The issue is, since he doesn't show emotions, since there aren't other captions to indicate what he's thinking, it's hard to decipher what his "tone" could have been at that moment. So we have to jump forward a few chapters, and in his next chapters with Sakura he apologizes to her, for placing this burden on her (and Naruto's) shoulders (well before that he indicates that he's proud that Sakura could one shot Kiba, Lee and Sai anyway...) indicating that his thought in the earlier chapter would probably have been more sympathetic than accusatory (though it's probably a mixture). Having said that, this does not indicate what he thinks of the confession, his opinion of it (which is interesting, and unsurprising since his actual reaction to the validity of the "confession" is probably the most important -yes moreso than even Naruto or Sakura's- because it can be argued that he's been watching them, observing them, watching them grow from a closer and more objective angle than anyone else). But as previously mentioned, he who never shows emotions, was unable to control his reaction to Sakura hugging Naruto, indicating a possible change, indicating that was a significant moment in regards to Naruto and Sakura's relationship. (Note: This post wasn't exactly for the person above me, but for the posts I've read so far. Yes, and I have to agree with you, this is a pretty huge post. I just get 'angry' when people ignore my post/s.. I'm not pointing fingers at anyone.. But, yup) __________________ My bunny thinks he's a parrot. Spoiler: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Black Owl; 02-01-2012 at 08:06 AM.

02-01-2012, 12:37 PM	#1077
Pinks17 Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in the Alamo Posts: 614 Rep Power: 4	Re: NaruSaku vs. NaruHina Dang ya did! There i deleted my previous comment! And the reason why, is cuz it's too long ive read most of his points already and also this is just supposed to be a an opinion fourm! ^^ Nice Katsu! __________________ *I Believe In Patient Love* *I'm a Christian and don't care what everyone else thinks about me. If you feel the same, copy and paste this in your sig* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

02-03-2012, 07:41 PM	#1079
Pinks17 Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: in the Alamo Posts: 614 Rep Power: 4	Re: NaruSaku vs. NaruHina So how long has he been on your CPU and on your profile!? Cuz he's been saying a lot of annoying things lately especially with this forum and other people. ( friends of mine also. ) __________________ *I Believe In Patient Love* *I'm a Christian and don't care what everyone else thinks about me. If you feel the same, copy and paste this in your sig* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

02-03-2012, 07:48 PM	#1080
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