NaruSaku - SasuSaku - NaruHina Debate Central - Page 41

C-C · 11-14-2009, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bacon_army17

sigh...if naruto never asks others out even though he had a million chances, at least it should say Naruto still loves Sakura

♥i never said he didnt love Sakura

Bacon · 11-14-2009, 08:17 AM

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♥Why would he??? Sasuke was his best friend, the person he thought of as a brother. He would be worst than trash if he EVER let go of Sasuke.Isnt that what Kakashi said?Sakura said she was giving up on him, which means she was the definition of what Kakashi had said to them, she worst than trash at that point.__________________

lol you just called sasuke trash when he a. tried to hurt sakura(i wont say kill to ease your mind) b. when he abandoned His entire village xD
so whos scum now?

C-C · 11-14-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bacon_army17

lol you just called sasuke trash when he a. tried to hurt sakura(i wont say kill to ease your mind) b. when he abandoned His entire village xD
so whos scum now?

♥You cant compare Sasuke to Sakura.
Sasuke is bent on revenge.
What is Sakura's point on doing that?

Grapefruit Wannabe · 11-14-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by C-C

♥i was trying to tell him that, but it's like, it has to be in his POV it has to romantically.

Your right, his POV is romance. Hopefully you got through to him. Though, if your not trying to convert him to what you see. You should just leave the conversation. I believe the point here is to open his eyes to other interpritations.

(( Sorry, do I sound rude? ))

Kuromaki · 11-14-2009, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bacon_army17

lol you just called sasuke trash when he a. tried to hurt sakura(i wont say kill to ease your mind) b. when he abandoned His entire village xD

Spoiler:

yeah...

PHeartsYStars · 11-14-2009, 08:30 AM

Sorry for all that, but I mean a real PLAUSIBLE reasons behind the Sis/Bro argument.
We had different POV and i respect that, but I think, in building that certain POV, needs to RELATE to the manga/story flow. Just like looking THE UNDERNEATH THE UNDERNEATH

Come On, NS can be considered as a Best Friend Material, and it is PLAUSIBLE but a BRO/SIS relationship?

Bacon · 11-14-2009, 08:34 AM

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♥You cant compare Sasuke to Sakura. Sasuke is bent on revenge.What is Sakura's point on doing that?

youre right, sakura is a kind person
I was just simply pointing out your contradiction c-c
sasuke at the base of his motives, abandoned his comrades.

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Spoiler: c. he joined an evil villain for more powerd. tried to kill his own comradese. betrayed the villain just when he was finished using him for his own gainf. made a group of weaker ninja he knew would follow him, to possibly inflate his own egog. proceeded to pursue his own older brotherh. upon killing him, finds out that his older brother was good after all, then goes against his brother's dying wishes to honor the village, instead wishing to destroy iti. joins yet another evil organization to achieve his goalsj. tries to capture a man who had nothing to do with it, to help reach his goalsk. decides to yet again betray the organizationl. attacks several Kages

lol, so true kuromaki, but restating that for ghe 10th time is tirin

TwilightLink20xx · 11-14-2009, 08:42 AM

@Kuromaki

Indeed, it's kinda hard to deny that, lol!

Anyways, I don't have a lot of time, I'll try to come back to elaborate, but the thing about interperating NS as Brother-Sister, is that it doesn't fit them 100%. Yes, there are plenty of things that could be interperated as such, but that means you throw out Naruto's feelings for Sakura out the window. He himself sees that it's the best outcome for them because he still assumes she loves Sasuke. None of us know that is indeed the case, though. The key thing to keep in mind is that there are to many holes for this to be a simple Brother-Sister relationship. Naruto still sees Sakura in a romantic light, the flashbacks Sai had show this. Sai, who admits that he isn't the most knowledgeable in human relations, tells Naruto he can tell he loves her (yes, some translations say like, but the word Daisuki means to really like, and it was what Hinata said in her confession, so she either only really likes Naruto, or Naruto loves Sakura, you can't pick and choose). Naruto's response? He apparently tried to hide it unsuccesfully, it proves that one side is indeed there. But here's the other thing, Yamato has seen that Sakura appears to love Naruto as well. He never finished the statement, but the look on Sakura's face implys that she DOES care for him, it's an eye opener for her to that possibility.

My point is, guys, that in-universe, people are seeing that they aren't just Brother and Sister. These aren't people they barely know, either, these are characters that are on their TEAM. We're going to have to hang tight to see if Kishimoto is pulling our legs or not, but I heavilly DOUBT that he did that all for nothing. There are too many gaps that you can't explain if NaruSaku is supposed to just be brother and sister.

Bacon · 11-14-2009, 09:10 AM

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nse? He apparently tried to hide it unsuccesfully, it proves that one side is indeed there. But here's the other thing, Yamato has seen that Sakura appears to love Naruto as well. He never finished the statement, but the look on Sakura's face implys that she DOES care for him, it's an eye opener for her to that possibility.

lol that moment reignited my faith ^^ but that was 2 years ago

TwilightLink20xx · 11-14-2009, 09:22 AM

^We actually don't know when exactly that was, but it's pretty obvious that Naruto's feelings haven't changed. In the confession, he makes it clear that it isn't something to joke about. He doesn't want his heart to be crushed by her, it's part of the reason he reacted the way he did.

MelisaArtemis · 11-14-2009, 03:36 PM

Narusaku is bro/sis relationship: Ok, first thing. Answer this for me: Will you ask your brother if you look more womanly? Will you agree to go on a date with your brother? Will you ask your sister to go on a date with you? Will you peep on your sibling when bathing? Pretty sure the answer to most of the questions will be a big fat NO, unless you're into incest. At the beginning of season 2, Narusaku relationship was that of a close friend or best friend even. True its not necessarily romantic but its a far cry from bro/sis relationship either. Does it still hold true? I honestly don't know but at least now we know that both of them are willing to put the other above their own.

Sakura being lower than trash: Here's Kakashi's exact saying: "Those who don't follow the rules are trash but those that betray their comrades are worse than trash." At this point, Sasuke isn't what you can call a "comrade" anymore, if anything he has become a threat. How is letting go someone who has become a danger to those she care about makes Sakura lower than trash? it simply doesn't. Why? because the circumstances has change, he's no longer a comrade but a target that need to be removed.

Sasuke's reason is revenge: This still doesn't justify what he has done. Its like you kill someone because he/she killed someone close to you, the fact stays: you still kill someone and killing is always wrong regardless of the reason. Good intention or not, what Sasuke did was wrong, there is no way around it. Just like the saying: Road to hell is paved with good intention

C-C · 11-14-2009, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MelisaArtemis

Narusaku is bro/sis relationship: Ok, first thing. Answer this for me: Will you ask your brother if you look more womanly? Will you agree to go on a date with your brother? Will you ask your sister to go on a date with you? Will you peep on your sibling when bathing? Pretty sure the answer to most of the questions will be a big fat NO, unless you're into incest. At the beginning of season 2, Narusaku relationship was that of a close friend or best friend even. True its not necessarily romantic but its a far cry from bro/sis relationship either. Does it still hold true? I honestly don't know but at least now we know that both of them are willing to put the other above their own.

Sakura being lower than trash: Here's Kakashi's exact saying: "Those who don't follow the rules are trash but those that betray their comrades are worse than trash." At this point, Sasuke isn't what you can call a "comrade" anymore, if anything he has become a threat. How is letting go someone who has become a danger to those she care about makes Sakura lower than trash? it simply doesn't. Why? because the circumstances has change, he's no longer a comrade but a target that need to be removed.

Sasuke's reason is revenge: This still doesn't justify what he has done. Its like you kill someone because he/she killed someone close to you, the fact stays: you still kill someone and killing is always wrong regardless of the reason. Good intention or not, what Sasuke did was wrong, there is no way around it. Just like the saying: Road to hell is paved with good intention

I think thats the only proof u have that is not Bro/sis cause thats all u NS fans have been saying. What about all the times that CAN be interpreted as NS hints or Bro/sis relationship? lets see you have 3 scenarios that cant be Bro/sis compared to like 15 scenarios that CAN

But, like i said u CAN NOT compare Sakura and Sasuke. Their is nothing in common between them

MelisaArtemis · 11-14-2009, 04:03 PM

Ah, here's the funny thing: Those events that you view as merely bro/sis relationship can also interpreted as romantic, in this situation, both our point of view are correct depending on your opinion and both are open-ended. There is no right or wrong in this case simply opinions that differ from one another.

Thats why while their relationship are not necessarily romantic but I won't call it bro/sis either. if anything, I'll call their relationship as an extremely close friendship. How it goes from there is still a big question mark. so far, what we can see clearly is that NARUTO think of Sakura as a love interest rather than family, how Sakura truly feel for Naruto is still ambiguous at best until Kishimoto explain it further.

C-C · 11-14-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MelisaArtemis

Ah, here's the funny thing: Those events that you view as merely bro/sis relationship can also interpreted as romantic, in this situation, both our point of view are correct depending on your opinion and both are open-ended. There is no right or wrong in this case simply opinions that differ from one another.

Thats why while their relationship are not necessarily romantic but I won't call it bro/sis either. if anything, I'll call their relationship as an extremely close friendship. How it goes from there is still a big question mark. so far, what we can see clearly is that NARUTO think of Sakura as a love interest rather than family, how Sakura truly feel for Naruto is still ambiguous at best until Kishimoto explain it further.

♥OMG can u people READ i said THAT....ugh...

MelisaArtemis · 11-14-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by C-C

♥OMG can u people READ i said THAT....ugh...

well... sorry if some of us are not as intellectually gifted as you. >.>

Narutorious · 11-14-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by C-C

But, like i said u CAN NOT compare Sakura and Sasuke. Their is nothing in common between them

You're right, you can't compare them, why? Because by using what Kakashi said, only Sasuke is lower than trash, not Sakura. Sakura didn't betrayed Sasuke, Sasuke betrayed her, Naruto, & the Leaf Village. No one force Sasuke to joined Akatsuki, Sasuke did with his own will. Sakura wants Naruto to be safe, Naruto going after Sasuke would put him in danger of being capture, she is doing this for the greater good, Sasuke chose his path, to say Sakura is lower than trash is ludacris.

C-C · 11-14-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Narutorious

You're right, you can't compare them, why? Because by using what Kakashi said, only Sasuke is lower than trash, not Sakura. Sakura didn't betrayed Sasuke, Sasuke betrayed her, Naruto, & the Leaf Village. No one force Sasuke to joined Akatsuki, Sasuke did with his own will. Sakura wants Naruto to be safe, Naruto going after Sasuke would put him in danger of being capture, she is doing this for the greater good, Sasuke chose his path, to say Sakura is lower than trash is ludacris.

♥I said "at that one point"

C-C · 11-14-2009, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MelisaArtemis

well... sorry if some of us are not as intellectually gifted as you. >.>

♥ i guess u arent

Narutorious · 11-14-2009, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by C-C

♥I said "at that one point"

Still, there are legit reasons why she giving up on Sasuke "at that one point". Also the fact that "giving up on someone" & "betraying someone" are different, especially in this case.

Grapefruit Wannabe · 11-14-2009, 05:22 PM

I feel as if I must defend Sasuke.

Spoiler:

I feel a little better. Though I know off the bat most don't agree with me...

11-14-2009, 08:30 AM	#806
PHeartsYStars Ninja Academy Student Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 55 Rep Power: 0	Re: NaruSaku - SasuSaku - NaruHina Debate Central Sorry for all that, but I mean a real *PLAUSIBLE* reasons behind the Sis/Bro argument. We had different POV and i respect that, but I think, in building that certain POV, needs to RELATE to the manga/story flow. Just like looking THE UNDERNEATH THE UNDERNEATH Come On, NS can be considered as a Best Friend Material, and it is PLAUSIBLE but a BRO/SIS relationship?

11-14-2009, 08:42 AM	#808
TwilightLink20xx Genin Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Unknown in the USA Posts: 449 Rep Power: 8	Re: NaruSaku - SasuSaku - NaruHina Debate Central @Kuromaki Indeed, it's kinda hard to deny that, lol! Anyways, I don't have a lot of time, I'll try to come back to elaborate, but the thing about interperating NS as Brother-Sister, is that it doesn't fit them 100%. Yes, there are plenty of things that could be interperated as such, but that means you throw out Naruto's feelings for Sakura out the window. He himself sees that it's the best outcome for them because he still assumes she loves Sasuke. None of us know that is indeed the case, though. The key thing to keep in mind is that there are to many holes for this to be a simple Brother-Sister relationship. Naruto still sees Sakura in a romantic light, the flashbacks Sai had show this. Sai, who admits that he isn't the most knowledgeable in human relations, tells Naruto he can tell he loves her (yes, some translations say like, but the word Daisuki means to really like, and it was what Hinata said in her confession, so she either only really likes Naruto, or Naruto loves Sakura, you can't pick and choose). Naruto's response? He apparently tried to hide it unsuccesfully, it proves that one side is indeed there. But here's the other thing, Yamato has seen that Sakura appears to love Naruto as well. He never finished the statement, but the look on Sakura's face implys that she DOES care for him, it's an eye opener for her to that possibility. My point is, guys, that in-universe, people are seeing that they aren't just Brother and Sister. These aren't people they barely know, either, these are characters that are on their TEAM. We're going to have to hang tight to see if Kishimoto is pulling our legs or not, but I heavilly DOUBT that he did that all for nothing. There are too many gaps that you can't explain if NaruSaku is supposed to just be brother and sister. __________________ Oh, but I could never prove this illusion, you aren't the one that I thought you were. For too long I've embraced this illusion, the line that separates us starts to blur........ (Red - Death of Me) Proud Suporter of NaruSaku, SasuKarin and Sasuke X Nobody. NaruSaku, SasuSaku or NaruHina that likes to debate? Join us in: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-14-2009, 09:22 AM	#810
TwilightLink20xx Genin Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Unknown in the USA Posts: 449 Rep Power: 8	Re: NaruSaku - SasuSaku - NaruHina Debate Central ^We actually don't know when exactly that was, but it's pretty obvious that Naruto's feelings haven't changed. In the confession, he makes it clear that it isn't something to joke about. He doesn't want his heart to be crushed by her, it's part of the reason he reacted the way he did. __________________ Oh, but I could never prove this illusion, you aren't the one that I thought you were. For too long I've embraced this illusion, the line that separates us starts to blur........ (Red - Death of Me) Proud Suporter of NaruSaku, SasuKarin and Sasuke X Nobody. NaruSaku, SasuSaku or NaruHina that likes to debate? Join us in: To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

11-14-2009, 03:36 PM	#811
MelisaArtemis Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At home, duh :P Posts: 808 Rep Power: 8	Re: NaruSaku - SasuSaku - NaruHina Debate Central Narusaku is bro/sis relationship: Ok, first thing. Answer this for me: Will you ask your brother if you look more womanly? Will you agree to go on a date with your brother? Will you ask your sister to go on a date with you? Will you peep on your sibling when bathing? Pretty sure the answer to most of the questions will be a big fat NO, unless you're into incest. At the beginning of season 2, Narusaku relationship was that of a close friend or best friend even. True its not necessarily romantic but its a far cry from bro/sis relationship either. Does it still hold true? I honestly don't know but at least now we know that both of them are willing to put the other above their own. Sakura being lower than trash: Here's Kakashi's exact saying: "Those who don't follow the rules are trash but those that betray their comrades are worse than trash." At this point, Sasuke isn't what you can call a "comrade" anymore, if anything he has become a threat. How is letting go someone who has become a danger to those she care about makes Sakura lower than trash? it simply doesn't. Why? because the circumstances has change, he's no longer a comrade but a target that need to be removed. Sasuke's reason is revenge: This still doesn't justify what he has done. Its like you kill someone because he/she killed someone close to you, the fact stays: you still kill someone and killing is always wrong regardless of the reason. Good intention or not, what Sasuke did was wrong, there is no way around it. Just like the saying: Road to hell is paved with good intention

11-14-2009, 04:03 PM	#813
MelisaArtemis Chunin Exam Participant Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: At home, duh :P Posts: 808 Rep Power: 8	Re: NaruSaku - SasuSaku - NaruHina Debate Central Ah, here's the funny thing: Those events that you view as merely bro/sis relationship can also interpreted as romantic, in this situation, both our point of view are correct depending on your opinion and both are open-ended. There is no right or wrong in this case simply opinions that differ from one another. Thats why while their relationship are not necessarily romantic but I won't call it bro/sis either. if anything, I'll call their relationship as an extremely close friendship. How it goes from there is still a big question mark. so far, what we can see clearly is that NARUTO think of Sakura as a love interest rather than family, how Sakura truly feel for Naruto is still ambiguous at best until Kishimoto explain it further.

11-14-2009, 05:22 PM	#820
Grapefruit Wannabe Genin Elite Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Where you live Posts: 428 Rep Power: 0	Re: NaruSaku - SasuSaku - NaruHina Debate Central I feel as if I must defend Sasuke. Spoiler: To me what he's done so far is extremely reasonable. He certainly did break his bonds with Naruto and Sakura but in a really uncertain way. Spoiler: For Naruto he didn't kill. He excused it for him not being like Itachi though I believe it was because it was Naruto. The closest friends he'd ever had outside the massacre and just couldn't do it. For Sakura he listened. He would've knocked her out, left her on the ground and left. But he decided to stay a bit longer and listen. This is only for Part 1 I feel a little better. Though I know off the bat most don't agree with me...

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