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Old 10-06-2009, 04:50 PM   #1
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Is Tousen really that strong. Aizen seems like a god with his zanpakutou, and he has super spiritual pressure since he makes grimmjow kneel just by releasing it. Gin took on Hitsugaya and didn't even seem like he was trying. But Tousen went up against Zaraki and couldn't do anything. however he did cut off Grimmjow's arm with little effort. So exactly how strong is Tousen?
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tosen can blind people with his bankai it takes away all the senses Zaraki is a special case because he loves to fight and there for pain really doesn't affect him he loves it in fact so he just waited till he could feel the sword hiting his body and dodged it in time and then striked back right away because he figured out that when the sword hits him he gets all his senses back and can see tosen that is why Zaraki won that fight other than that tosen would probably win if that wern't the case
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tosen can blind people with his bankai it takes away all the senses Zaraki is a special case because he loves to fight and there for pain really doesn't affect him he loves it in fact so he just waited till he could feel the sword hiting his body and dodged it in time and then striked back right away because he figured out that when the sword hits him he gets all his senses back and can see tosen that is why
I watched the show, I know what happened. You failed to answer my question.
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I watched the show, I know what happened. You failed to answer my question.
tosen can blind peoples so yeah he is strong if you can't see your oppent your dead lol that answer you question
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tosen can blind peoples so yeah he is strong if you can't see your oppent your dead lol that answer you question
I don't find blinding the opponent a very good skill. What makes him special is that his bankai takes away all of the senses excluding touch. I also believe it makes the opponent unable to detect spiritual pressure, but that might have just been Zaraki since he is bad at it.

Yes you anwered the question, but not very well.
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I don't find blinding the opponent a very good skill. What makes him special is that his bankai takes away all of the senses excluding touch. I also believe it makes the opponent unable to detect spiritual pressure, but that might have just been Zaraki since he is bad at it.

Yes you anwered the question, but not very well.
that is what I said it takes away all the senses
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Tosen is a notch below Gin and Aizen I'd say.
Gin and Aizen, mainly Aizen, are made out to be almost god-like. And as you said, they defeat people with little effort.
Tosen, on the other hand, seems more mortal-like, for lack of a better anologly. He can blind people and do many cool things such as that, but a regular cap't could beat him, as Zaraki has. So I'd say among Cap't he's a bit above average,

So to sum it up,
Aizen and Gin are on a god-like rank, with Tosen being more mortalish.
Another show of how Tosen is less powerful than Aizen and Gin is that Aizen treats Gin as a partner and Tosen as more of a weapon.

Now, I can't say I'm totally right, because you never know. But this is how I see Tosen, An B+ student among A+ students. Strong but not strong enough.
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that is what I said it takes away all the senses
you didn't say that in your second post.
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I like to call him Tousen the tank, he's a very strong guy. If he can take out the sixth espada's arm without even trying he must be strong. Kenpachi beat out the number fifth Espada with the same technique he beat Tousen with. Tousen takes away all the senses and than uses that against his opponent, I'd call that deadly. I couldn't see anyone other than Kenpachi, Mayuri, Shunsui and the 1st Captain beating Tousen. I must say that Tousen could probably take out Stark as well, which Kenpachi wouldn't be able to do.

In conclusion, he is Tousen the Tank.
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Tosen is a notch below Gin and Aizen I'd say.
Gin and Aizen, mainly Aizen, are made out to be almost god-like. And as you said, they defeat people with little effort.
Tosen, on the other hand, seems more mortal-like, for lack of a better anologly. He can blind people and do many cool things such as that, but a regular cap't could beat him, as Zaraki has. So I'd say among Cap't he's a bit above average,

So to sum it up,
Aizen and Gin are on a god-like rank, with Tosen being more mortalish.
Another show of how Tosen is less powerful than Aizen and Gin is that Aizen treats Gin as a partner and Tosen as more of a weapon.

Now, I can't say I'm totally right, because you never know. But this is how I see Tosen, An B+ student among A+ students. Strong but not strong enough.

Let me pose this question. Zaraki beat Tousen, and Zaraki beat Nniotora. But would Tousen be able to defeat Nniotora?
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tosen can blind people with his bankai it takes away all the senses Zaraki is a special case because he loves to fight and there for pain really doesn't affect him he loves it in fact so he just waited till he could feel the sword hiting his body and dodged it in time and then striked back right away because he figured out that when the sword hits him he gets all his senses back and can see tosen that is why Zaraki won that fight other than that tosen would probably win if that wern't the case
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you didn't say that in your second post.
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I like to call him Tousen the tank, he's a very strong guy. If he can take out the sixth espada's arm without even trying he must be strong. Kenpachi beat out the number fifth Espada with the same technique he beat Tousen with. Tousen takes away all the senses and than uses that against his opponent, I'd call that deadly. I couldn't see anyone other than Kenpachi, Mayuri, Shunsui and the 1st Captain beating Tousen. I must say that Tousen could probably take out Stark as well, which Kenpachi wouldn't be able to do.

In conclusion, he is Tousen the Tank.
You think Tousen could beat Stark? I am doubtful of that. Stark is not only strong, but highly intellegent.
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Let me pose this question. Zaraki beat Tousen, and Zaraki beat Nniotora. But would Tousen be able to defeat Nniotora?
Hpotheticaly, no. But I'm not Kubo, and I have no idea, something might happen giving Tosen the power to defeat Nnio., or perphaps Tosen developted some kind of 2nd bankai, who knows? But in theroy, no.
But you have to stop and wonder, if Tosen was that weak, why would Aizen allow Tosen to join him? So that's the under current there.
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You think Tousen could beat Stark? I am doubtful of that. Stark is not only strong, but highly intellegent.
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If Stark, Barregan, or Tia could beat the right hand men, why wouldn't they go after them? Tia was fodder for Aizen and I believe that Tousen is about under Aizen's level and right next to Gin's.

So I'm not sure if Stark can beat Tousen, if Stark gets caught into the Bankai I don't think that we would know how counter against it.
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Hpotheticaly, no. But I'm not Kubo, and I have no idea, something might happen giving Tosen the power to defeat Nnio., or perphaps Tosen developted some kind of 2nd bankai, who knows? But in theroy, no.
But you have to stop and wonder, if Tosen was that weak, why would Aizen allow Tosen to join him? So that's the under current there.
exactly
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If Stark, Barregan, or Tia could beat the right hand men, why wouldn't they go after them? Tia was fodder for Aizen and I believe that Tousen is about under Aizen's level and right next to Gin's.

So I'm not sure if Stark can beat Tousen, if Stark gets caught into the Bankai I don't think that we would know how counter against it.
I just explained that.
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Let me pose this question. Zaraki beat Tousen, and Zaraki beat Nniotora. But would Tousen be able to defeat Nniotora?
Zaraki defeated Tousen before he, Gin, and Aizen had escaped into Hueco Mundo, so there is a big time difference. It's possible that Tousen had gained a huge increase in power since that battle, evidently hinted when he managed to chop off Grimmjow's arm so effortlessly, despite the 6th Espada's Hierro.
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exactly
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That's what makes me believe Tosen is quite stronger than what he appears. Either that or Aizen has some special use for him.
It's as if Tosen is floating in a gray zone, a zone of unknown, this, I'm sure, will be cleared up as the manga goes on. I predict Kubo will likely have a trick up his sleeve for Tosen.
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And yes, the Hallibel thing, was shocking and a good point, but Aizen wouldn't carry dead weight if he had to. All of this that we talked about leads me to believe tosen will play a role in whats to come.
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That's what makes me believe Tosen is quite stronger than what he appears. Either that or Aizen has some special use for him.
It's as if Tosen is floating in a gray zone, a zone of unknown, this, I'm sure, will be cleared up as the manga goes on. I predict Kubo will likely have a trick up his sleeve for Tosen.
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And yes, the Hallibel thing, was shocking and a good point, but Aizen wouldn't carry dead weight if he had to. All of this that we talked about leads me to believe tosen will play a role in whats to come.
and reveal the other captain's bankai as well maybe
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