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Old 09-15-2009, 11:05 PM   #1
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Ok there have been a series of videos, i believe its up to four now, in which a couple disguise themselves as a pimp and prostitute. They go to various ACORN locations and run their scam (girl is a prostitute seeking to traffic in underage girls from el salvador, guy is a pimp who aspires to be a politician, who wants to use that money to help his future campaign), and these videos show how ACORN employees are willing to help them bend and break the law, and abandon morality.

This is an organization that Obama was affiliated with, and they helped contribute to his campagin fund.

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K I think i made the point. Thoughts?

Keep in mind that this IS technically entrapment. ACORN is planning to file criminal charges on the couple for filming without their approval, entrapping them, and defaming the organization's name. ACORN will most likely lose their funding, if they havent already. Who's the bad guy? Is this behavior disgusting, should arrests be made? Were ACORN's rights violated? Lets hear it
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Arrest. I dont care what group they are, entrapment or not this is a bunch of bs. Rules and laws and talks about how to actually do the prostitution?! To jail i tell you. Plug the cord of the government money and arrest the main guys.

The good thing is that obama WAS affiliated to it and not IS.

What the people, seriously? tho there is a chance of cut and paste. I cant jump to conclusions yet but it looks grim for them.
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Some 'experts' and concluded it is NOT cut and paste nor is it staged, but i cannot personally verify either
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New news: 1 woman knew they were actors and was "playing them." Most of the things the woman said was completely fake as she was imitating stephen colbert.

Read here: http://www.newshounds.us/2009/09/16/...d_by_acorn.php

Our news people need to start actually fact checking things.


This only explains 1 of the 3 but thought it was worth adding to the debate.
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Absolutely, any counterpoint will be accepted, thx for the info Toma
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I think some of the videos now are fake... I mean okay 1 or 2 people may have gotten caught but don't you think the acorn officials would have stopped by now as they see people are finding them... So I think that the actors are starting hire other actors to play acorn officials and say all of that stuff... The latest video i think is a bunch of bull... And right wing conservative republican a** holes are still trying to link obama to acorn when he has already denounced acorns actions and cut his ties to them long ago... So i'm starting to think these videos are becoming fake.. Thats just me though..
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Read here: http://www.newshounds.us/2009/09/16/...d_by_acorn.php

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This only explains 1 of the 3 but thought it was worth adding to the debate.
That made me lol.

And I'm not sure how credible the videos are, but I can't say I see ACORN in a favorable light.
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Ok there have been a series of videos, i believe its up to four now, in which a couple disguise themselves as a pimp and prostitute. They go to various ACORN locations and run their scam (girl is a prostitute seeking to traffic in underage girls from el salvador, guy is a pimp who aspires to be a politician, who wants to use that money to help his future campaign), and these videos show how ACORN employees are willing to help them bend and break the law, and abandon morality.

This is an organization that Obama was affiliated with, and they helped contribute to his campagin fund.

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http://biggovernment.com/2009/09/14/...n-new-york-ny/


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K I think i made the point. Thoughts?

Keep in mind that this IS technically entrapment. ACORN is planning to file criminal charges on the couple for filming without their approval, entrapping them, and defaming the organization's name. ACORN will most likely lose their funding, if they havent already. Who's the bad guy? Is this behavior disgusting, should arrests be made? Were ACORN's rights violated? Lets hear it
This is pretty much entrapment. No, this is entrapment, by definition.
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Actually this has increased in credibility. I've seen reports on it on the colbert report, and the morning show.......
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Of course its entrapment, but does that make it any less viable? Granted only cops can get away with stuff like this, in which case its called a sting, but no one would have done it, they didnt care. So then, who steps in when sh_t like this is going on???

In my opinion, legal action should be taken on all involved, and the reporters gratefully accept the consequences of their actions to bring justice to corruption like this.

And Obama can cut the ties to them all he wants, it still doesnt change the fact that he was a lawyer who worked for a shady company like this.

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Of course its entrapment, but does that make it any less viable? Granted only cops can get away with stuff like this, in which case its called a sting, but no one would have done it, they didnt care. So then, who steps in when sh_t like this is going on???

In my opinion, legal action should be taken on all involved, and the reporters gratefully accept the consequences of their actions to bring justice to corruption like this.

And Obama can cut the ties to them all he wants, it still doesnt change the fact that he was a lawyer who worked for a shady company like this.

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Well i can agree with you on almost everything, it is entrapment, which is against the law (unless you are a law enforcement agent) but when it shows something like this out to the public, I dont mind. Tho the chicks are saying they were playing cause they knew it was actors there, but i do not believe them (personally)

what i dont agree on you is the whole "obama was this to them" part, You are saying that since obama was their lawyer he should be still affiliated with them (if that is not the case then oversee what i am bout to say)To that i say, if you knew or once smoked weed or did any illegal things with a drug dealer does that make you affiliated with him/her and should then take some responsability for him/her getting caught with drugs? I dont think so.
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Well i can agree with you on almost everything, it is entrapment, which is against the law (unless you are a law enforcement agent) but when it shows something like this out to the public, I dont mind. Tho the chicks are saying they were playing cause they knew it was actors there, but i do not believe them (personally)

what i dont agree on you is the whole "obama was this to them" part, You are saying that since obama was their lawyer he should be still affiliated with them (if that is not the case then oversee what i am bout to say)To that i say, if you knew or once smoked weed or did any illegal things with a drug dealer does that make you affiliated with him/her and should then take some responsability for him/her getting caught with drugs? I dont think so.
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what i dont agree on you is the whole "obama was this to them" part, You are saying that since obama was their lawyer he should be still affiliated with them (if that is not the case then oversee what i am bout to say)To that i say, if you knew or once smoked weed or did any illegal things with a drug dealer does that make you affiliated with him/her and should then take some responsability for him/her getting caught with drugs? I dont think so.
They paid and supported Obama. They helped in him inmeasurably. Hell it's new HQ is in Chicago now! How can you try to even deny his connection with yet another radical group?
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Okay someone that is different than "us" please explain to him that "not because you asked for someone to lend you money (even tho they were drugdealers) means that you are a drugdealer and you should be looked upon as one and pay the same consequences as one" omfg kid you are so out of line on this one.
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Unfortunately he WAS affiliated with them Itachi, it cant be denied. I'll get back to that though.

Drug dealer question: If you once (or more times) took part in illegal activities or taking drugs with a known drug dealer, then yes you are affiliated with that person, and in some part with their actions. Ex. I used to buy and smoke weed with a person I at the time considered a friend (DO NOT DOWNREP, THIS IS HYPOTHETICAL). Later on, he got arrrested for selling drugs, and then robbing the person he sold them to. Am I affiliated with him, kind of. Should I take responsibility, or receive consequences for the wrong things that HE'S done? NO. But it should be noted that based on the types of people that I CHOOSE to surround myself with, I may have a tendency to do some of the same things as well, or at the very least, it is logical to assume I may not be all that upstanding of a citizen.

This scenario as it relates to Obama:

He USED to be affiliated with the ACORN group, which has now been exposed as somewhat criminal, and is known to have shady dealings. Does this mean he should go down with them? No. But he acted as a lawyer on their behalf, and accepted campaign contributions from this organization. Therefore note that while he may not be at fault for what THEY chose to do, he may (or may not) have taken part in same activities. Regardless, this is not the main point. He accepted money from a corrupt organization. This makes him look bad, and establishes a connection with the two. Also, seeing as how he at one point in time, chose to surround himself with a group such as this provides a little insight into the character of the man we have in office. Nothing more, nothing less. Obama wasnt the main focus of the thread anyway, I wanted this mainly to be about ACORN and the UC journalists, but here's my response.
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acorn is pure democratic voting servce that had thousands of fraudilent votes, and um im ot republican fyi, im a independent, if you dont believe what u see, there was a lou dobbs report some time ago that exposed a top acorn offical as a liar not about leftist ,but for the fake votes lol
cnn revealed a vote from mickeymouse ROFL

so this whole pimp crap is bs sorry dude, dumb thread,those caught were just bad people
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http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm

Actually, this is not entrapment. Read the definition.
If any officer or law enforcement agency were to involve themselves on behalf of the couple, then it would be entrapment, the only reason it's not yet is because law enforcement is not yet directly involved. All we have to do is wait and see if they do, but honestly I think this could be settled out of court.

That's assuming that your definition was the only one, which it isn't. Entrapment does not have to be done by law enforcement. That's only one kind of entrapment.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entrapment

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entrap
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