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Old 09-04-2009, 05:38 PM   #61
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Default Re: *Spoilers* Naruto is not a Senju. *Spoilers*

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Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

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iv been trying to think of the right words to explain that but i just for the life of me couldn't think straight today.. but you said what i was thinking perfectly.. (id give you rep but i really dont have much anymore because iv been fighting over this senju crap and people dont like to hear the truth apparently)

saying that naruto has the "fire of the senju" is just like the 3rd saying that everybody in the leaf village has the "will of fire" and that has no blood tie what so ever.. so just because madara referred to a specific clan doesn't mean that he is part of it.. it just emplies that madara saw distinctive characteristics that REMINDED him of a senju.. and basing all these THEORIES on one dam manga seems REALLY retarted in my opinion.. so why dont we all just wait for the next 3 or 4 mangas to confirm instead of fantasizing how you want these things to play out..

and at this rate, theres no point to putting this in a spoiler because everybody already knows.. and for the people who dont.. they just would have clicked on it anyways so why bother?
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Default Re: *Spoilers* Naruto is not a Senju. *Spoilers*

He is a Senju. The world of hatred all started because of a hatred one brother had for the other. These brothers descendants were the Uchiha and the Senju. That means that all descendants of these clans are relatives, so therefore they are "brothers" and "sisters". This means that Hashirama, or whoever Madara fought, was Madara's "brother" (I believe they'd actually be cousins). The fought and Madara lost, just like the older brother before him lost in who got their father's opinion.

Now, it is Sasuke's turn. He will fight Naruto and he will lose as did his ancestors before him. The only thing that will be different is that Naruto will somehow end this chain of hatred either after or during the fight.

You could also say that Madara fought a Senju twice because he fought Minato using the fox, assuming that Minato was the one of Naruto's parents with a Senju heritage.

This is all just my opinion, and you could be right, but I don't think it is likely.
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Old 09-04-2009, 09:49 PM   #63
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Default Re: *Spoilers* Naruto is not a Senju. *Spoilers*

To me Madara's statement confirmed Naruto's a Senju basically because why would Naruto share part of that curse and be destined to fight against an Uchiha if he's not a Senju? true it could just be he's similar to the 1st on other things like how he acts etc...but the other reason I have for believing that he is, is something Kakashi mentioned in Part I at the end of Naruto's and Sasuke's fight. He mentioned to Pakkun how as long as they were both alive the cycle that Madara and the 1st started would never end. Now why would Kakashi mention that randomly? I'm thinking he knew Minato was a Senju descendant therefore Naruto's as well, saying that Minato's last name was Namikaze or Kushina's last name was Uzumaki is irrelevant since a clan is composed of lots of people, a woman from the Senju clan could've married someone whose last name was Namikaze and she coud've taken his last name...it's not impossible but it's a theory and like you said we'll have to wait until Kishi confirms it.

There are so many other threads about this... I don't know why I keep replying the same thing...
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Chapter 291 page 12 shows that yamato is the only one that can control naruto because of the 1st hokages necklace. If he was a part of the senju clan he would share some of the same blood line and he wouldn't need a necklace to be controlled by yamato.

Chapter 438 page 3 the fox takes off the 1sts necklace to make sure he cant be controlled then he proceeds to crush it.
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Default Re: *Spoilers* Naruto is not a Senju. *Spoilers*

well as i see it Naruto can possibly be related as we don't know the full family tree

But Madara states he see the Senju will of fire in Naruto and u see the image of the 1st as Madara look at him. same as when Naruto met Tsunade and convinced her to come back and she saw her brother and lovers images. same as when Naruto came back from sage training to save the leaf village and fight Pain and the toad's seen the images of Jiraiya and Minato. (we know he isn't related to Jiraiya, and Minato's last name isn't that of Tsunade or her fiance's so i can't see a connection there either. the only way as a long shot would be if Minato was from a side branch of the Senju clan as the Hyuga's have the main family clan and the branch families)(also he is said to be the inheritor of Jiraiya's will of fire and path yet he isn't related to him)

i think its more so that Naruto carries with him the same beliefs/fighting spirit as the Senju had, that same spirit is the strength of the leaf village.
as Old Man 3rd always preached.That is the something that makes people listen to Naruto and changes people that Naruto crosses paths with at times. his true heart.

Minato wasn't chosen as a hokage because he was Senju , he was chosen because Orochimaru was at the time being seen as a dark and power hungry man. if Orochimaru wasn't he would have been chosen as Hokage as he was being groomed for that by the 3rd. Minato displayed the "Senju's spirit " which ultimately was the final deciding factor.(along with Oro being a twisted puppy)

so it's maybe possible for Naruto to be Senju... a long shot , but his real link is his spirit and beliefs . which are true to the Senju's that all.
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Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.

it is still possible that he is a senju cuz tsunade didnt have to have kids to make naruto a senju........also the names could be changed quickly because all u need is a daughter that marries a guy with a different last name and there u go the last name is already changed........so the point being he could be a senju
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I agree. I don't think that Naruto has an actual connection with the Senju. Madara just mentioned, that he resembles them in spirit or something, but he didn't actually say that Naruto is a direct Senju.
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Even though Iruka's last name is Umino, I always thought he looked like a senju.
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Naruto isn't a Senju. There's just no way that he is, because like I said in another thread, there's allmost no way that Tsunade is Minatos mother, and we don't know any other female ninja from Senju clan that can be his mother, and I can't think of any other way that Minato could be related to the Senju clan. And if he's not related, that means that Naruto isn't from Senju clan, too.
So according to you there was only Tsunade was the only other Senju besides Hashirama and his brother? We all know how big the Uchiha clan was, well since the Senju fought against them I think it's safe to assume the Senju had a large amount of people in their clan as well. Tsunade doesn't have to be Naruto's grandmother for him to be a decendent of the Senju. Madara isn't Sasuke's great grand father or anything, but Sasuke is still an Uchiha.

Blood lines thin, and sur-names change. If Hashirama were everyone's grand father then the whole clan would be reproducing with their siblings....gross. Remember they were a clan, not a family of five; I mean, I'm from Baltimore but that doesn't make the old lady down the street my grand mother.
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We have no information about his mother so it could be true.
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Naruto is not a Senju. His father was Minato Namikaze, and his mother was Kushina Uzumaki. His name is Naruto Uzumaki, and he isn't a Senju clan member. When Tobi spoke with him in the Land of Iron, Tobi said
"This is only the second time we've met, but I can tell the fire of the Senju clan dwells within you."
He does not call Naruto a Senju, he is simply stating that he has the Senju's fire. Hashirama Senju was Tsunade's grandfather, and Tsunade never had any children. Plus, I don't believe that either of Naruto's parents were confirmed to be of Senju heritage, or how either of their family names could change so quickly from Senju to Uzumaki or Namikaze. So since it was never actually confirmed or proven, I believe you shouldn't make threads saying that he is a Senju, or discussing Naruto using Senju heritage as a fact.
Yes, EVERYBODY knows that, it's just that Madara sees the HOKAGES in him....sort of
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Wouldn't he be half Senju then. If his father is from the village, but his mother is from some other villiage, he should be at least half Senju.
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The first three Hokages were Senju. Why would the Fourth not be Senju?
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The fact is - WE DON'T KNOW. We know nothing of either Naruto's Father or Mother's blood line.

The Senju clan was HUGE. It was the strongest clan (rivaled only by the Uchia) in the world, and part of that was probably due to numbers. I've always been of the theory that the Senju broke into smaller tribes when they built Konoha. If you study clans or tribes - usually they break off into smaller tribes when they reach a certain size, but maintain some sort of "Tribal Confederation."
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