Do you think the bible is true?

[Miss Bella Rose]

Science wins over the Bible in my opinion..in so many ways... too many to even count...
but that's just my opinion...

[alex1231]

I don't really know if i say yes i be lying if i say no i'm lying so i don't really care

[Pseudo-SasukeFanBoi]

Its pretty hard to say weather or not the bible is true, but its probably safe to say its not to be taking literally because if you take it literally it basically means you believe...

the entire planet was created in 7 days, and in that 7 day period dinosaurs were created, grew and then died. (because theres little chance humans would have survived long with them still alive)

then out of nothing we humans were willed into existance, because we all know we cant be related to any "monkeys" god forbid that right.

you believe two people populated the entire world and in short damned all of us to a firey pit due to not understanding "hey i just created you all... soo it would be really nice if you didnt eat my apples ok?"

you believe the universe was just created out of nothing. (and in some cases believe that science was created by satan inorder to lower the count of "true believers")

you believe that ONE person will eventually bring about a war worthy of a hollywood motion picture.

and lastly you believe if a human being, who is by all accounts a perfect person, yet isnt baptized (but still follows the religion other wise) that person will then die go to hell and be tormented due to the ONE thing.

so ye id rather believe a little of the bible and a little of science. What makes more since, things evolving slowy over time. or someone snaps there fingers and s*** just happens ?

[ItachiKisame]

Originally Posted by panhead15

That is a very good point haha
idk why people cant understand that

I know right?

And the problem with a lot of people is that they blame god for all the bad things that happens when its clearly humanities falt. And so what if God doesn't cure diseases that people have or help them with starvation that doesn't mean he didn't save. And did it ever come to people's minds that he does save them by setting their spirits free and allowing them into heaven. So what if science have found cures and stuff that doesn't make them better then anything else. And if people die they die its a natural part of life its going to happen to us no matter what. And even if go through such a crappy life at least theres heaven to make up for it. And once your there you don't have to worry about hunger,thirst,disease or any kinds of chaos anymore. So lets see science beat that.

[ItachiAnbu]

Originally Posted by battlehorse

that bible codes,prophecy come true.

That's coincidence and assertion, not proof.

Originally Posted by panhead15

The bible IS true! Everything in it is true. I know some things are hard to believe and seem impossible but it's true.
Have you read the last book ''Revelation?'' It talks about the end of the world, the rapture (When Jesus will come back and take all the Christians up to heaven) And if you think you will get to Heaven just by being a good person you are DEAD WRONG! The only way to Heaven is to ask Jesus to be your lord and savior. Heaven and Hell are a VERY real place. Do you think that someone made up the Bible just for fun?
Christians are not perfect people no one is perfect. When you get saved and become a Christian the road is not easy but it is worth it in the end! Christianity isn't a religion, It is faith biased.

Assertions, assertions, and more assertions.

Originally Posted by panhead15

I totally agree with you!! Don't forget about the part where it says the ocean will turn to blood, (the oil spill )and when you look at oil up close it looks red.
Finally someone who is on the same page as me! Thanks

Oil =/= Blood

The number of stretches you're making causes me to doubt what little competancy I assumed you had.

Originally Posted by panhead15

I am not religious. Christianity is not a religion it is faith based.

Most religions are faith based. Including Christianity.

Originally Posted by panhead15

I would just love to meat some of you in person >:l

That feeling is not mutual.

[Gamabunta]

Originally Posted by Err

No, if your God did that, then you wouldn't have free will and I wouldn't be having this discussion with you because I'm a non-believer. No one follows the word of the bible to the letter anymore. It's an outdated book of people in ancient times that were just trying to find the answers to tough questions.

Slavery is not justified in any place in the Bible. It was simply a feature of ancient society. The bible even called owners to treat their slave's with honor and like brother's. Most of the time that is what happened in ancient Israel.

ItachiAnbu:

It's not mere coincidence though. You are right in saying that belief in the Bible is based on faith. You have to have faith to believe the supernatural parts of it.

Then there is the evidence within the bible to back up it's own historical accuracy. The Bible talks about the existence of hundreds of places, events, and books. All of which you will find are historically accurate. Hell take Jericho for example. For hundreds of years they said it was just a made up town in the Bible. 50 years ago, with the help of scripture, they located the town, and the walls.

In my opinion before one chooses to or to not believe something they should educate themselves on it. I'm not pointing this statement at anyone specifically, I just feel it should be put out there.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Its what you decide to believe.

[Rasengan-]

why did god created people like me to go against him?

[Azal]

Originally Posted by itachiuchiha85

I guess this is the test to see if the forum will work

I really believe that the bible is a make up work by some great story tellers. I cannot fathom most of the stories in this book. From a flooding world to an all omnipotent being, I cannot believe them. Science has proven most of the things this book says cannot happen in this world as a matter of fact i do not think there is one thing in that book that can actually happen in real life. Yet people still believe in them why?

Well people have been thought by predecessors that this is the way it goes and after thousands of years it is basically in our genes.

People are easily manipulated.

People are scared of that which they do not understand, i dont remember who said this but it goes like this "i don't care if they don't respect me, as long as they fear me." and it's true one will bow to something they fear faster than to something they respect.

People like to believe in something more than just life, because as someone said in this forum and i quote "the only thing that i am afraid of in life is that it's too short" and that is true so people try to pave their road to have something better after life.

anyways what do you think about the bible and what i have said?

i believe the bible just a d8ifferent one that most men forgot....

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

i sorta believe it....but all i could say that its been preserved well....lots of history and such...

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Kakashi Hatake_Daphne Lu

i sorta believe it....but all i could say that its been preserved well....lots of history and such...

There are parts that are true. But very few. is there any particular part you believe in? Because it is understandable if it is reasonable.

I think it has been preserved too well, and what history? any particular you want to added?

[Kakashi Hatake_Yamato]

well....im no bible reader myself...but i find it interesting, ive read some stories, because i go to a catholic school(im not religious).
i mean the history/story of jesus told in the gospels....they were the ones who witness him, its complicated, i cant think straight now...
there might have been some or many stories that have been changed a little...but who knows

[Hinata~]

Ya know, when you look at it, its sad how many people don't read their Bible,I mean don't even glance at it and then says stuff like Science wins over The Bible. If scientist were sooo smart then how come they can't find a cure to cancer? Why? Because scientist think that they know everything but they dont! Bleh.
P.S:You either Believe in thw WHOLE Bible of Don't believe at all its no you believeing in some parts and not others. Basically im saying You either serving God or Satan.
(A rant By Hinata-san)

[Rasengan-]

Originally Posted by Hinata~

Ya know, when you look at it, its sad how many people don't read their Bible,I mean don't even glance at it and then says stuff like Science wins over The Bible. If scientist were sooo smart then how come they can't find a cure to cancer? Why? Because scientist think that they know everything but they dont! Bleh.
P.S:You either Believe in thw WHOLE Bible of Don't believe at all its no you believeing in some parts and not others. Basically im saying You either serving God or Satan.
(A rant By Hinata-san)

not to offend you, but science has done more than what the bible has done.

I mean countless wars and conflict over religious belief and interpretations cost the lives of millions. (not just death)

Science is set out to have a purpose, a goal and to achieve the unknown. The bible is just another book.

I think we are allowed to believe in parts. we have that choice and it will not mean im serving satan.

[YumYumBubblegum]

I don't belive in god, so no i don't.

[ItachiAnbu]

Originally Posted by Gamabunta

ItachiAnbu:

It's not mere coincidence though. You are right in saying that belief in the Bible is based on faith. You have to have faith to believe the supernatural parts of it.

Then there is the evidence within the bible to back up it's own historical accuracy. The Bible talks about the existence of hundreds of places, events, and books. All of which you will find are historically accurate. Hell take Jericho for example. For hundreds of years they said it was just a made up town in the Bible. 50 years ago, with the help of scripture, they located the town, and the walls.

In my opinion before one chooses to or to not believe something they should educate themselves on it. I'm not pointing this statement at anyone specifically, I just feel it should be put out there.

Whe I said coincidence, I was refering to what he said earlier about how the Bible has codes and prophecies that have come true.

If I told you in the year 1900 that years during and after the next turn of the century (the year 2000 and the next 10 or so years onward) would be "marked by disaster", does that make me an all-knowing prophet? No.

The ideal prophecy is so general that it's meaning cannot be determined until an event which fits into the vague description within the prophecy has already occured.

Natural disasters (hurricanes, for example) happen regardless of whether or not I think they will.

And yes, The bible does contain some historical accuracy.

And as for your last point; I'm just glad we still have those few very intelligent posters who still wish to participate in these stale old debates with me and the rest of the crowd.

[Gamabunta]

Originally Posted by ItachiAnbu

Whe I said coincidence, I was refering to what he said earlier about how the Bible has codes and prophecies that have come true.

If I told you in the year 1900 that years during and after the next turn of the century (the year 2000 and the next 10 or so years onward) would be "marked by disaster", does that make me an all-knowing prophet? No.

The ideal prophecy is so general that it's meaning cannot be determined until an event which fits into the vague description within the prophecy has already occured.

Natural disasters (hurricanes, for example) happen regardless of whether or not I think they will.

And yes, The bible does contain some historical accuracy.

And as for your last point; I'm just glad we still have those few very intelligent posters who still wish to participate in these stale old debates with me and the rest of the crowd.

I hate when my posts get cut off.
Well it's a statistical impossiblity that they are a coincidence. I apologize ahead of time for a seemingly biased source, but clearly atheists are not the ones interested in researching something that invalidates their arguments against the bible. Anyway:

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors. (The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

Source: http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-pro...iability-bible

And biblical predictions are more precise and specific than any other faith's. They are nothing like the predictions of Nostrawhatshisface. That's why I always challenge people to read the bible firsthand. In the case of unfulfilled prophecies coming out of the New Testament, there is a much more simple explanation. An ancient Roman citizen is trying to describe modern/futuristic objects and concepts. That is why it appears to be less clear.

I would argue the bible is the most historically accurate text of all time. It has the most number of printed copies, the highest number of surviving copies, and they date back to some of the latest times. And they all say the same thing word for word (Modern translations are phrased differently but they are all based off the original translation). The fact that we easily accept Homer's works as based on historical events and refuse to do the same for the bible would be like believing a fairy tale I make up on the spot over text book written by a famous historian.

[ItachiAnbu]

Originally Posted by Gamabunta

I hate when my posts get cut off.
Well it's a statistical impossiblity that they are a coincidence. I apologize ahead of time for a seemingly biased source, but clearly atheists are not the ones interested in researching something that invalidates their arguments against the bible. Anyway:



Source: http://www.reasons.org/fulfilled-pro...iability-bible

And biblical predictions are more precise and specific than any other faith's. They are nothing like the predictions of Nostrawhatshisface. That's why I always challenge people to read the bible firsthand. In the case of unfulfilled prophecies coming out of the New Testament, there is a much more simple explanation. An ancient Roman citizen is trying to describe modern/futuristic objects and concepts. That is why it appears to be less clear.

I would argue the bible is the most historically accurate text of all time. It has the most number of printed copies, the highest number of surviving copies, and they date back to some of the latest times. And they all say the same thing word for word (Modern translations are phrased differently but they are all based off the original translation). The fact that we easily accept Homer's works as based on historical events and refuse to do the same for the bible would be like believing a fairy tale I make up on the spot over text book written by a famous historian.

First of all, I apologize for cutting out that bit of your post if it annoyed you.

Statistical impossibility? Hardly. More like a statistical probability. Of course, we may be thinking about this in different ways.

Who said I accepted Homer's works as being more accurate than the Bible? I don't. They both have their own historical accuracies. I conceded that in about the Bible in my last post.

My point was that certain predictions and "code" in the Bible are often observed in the modern world merely because people take current events and make them fit the prediction. Another point I made was that certain predictions are so general that almost any event could fit them.

But again, as you said, the BIBLE DOES HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HISTORICAL ACCURACY. I agree with you on that.

[Wind Style Naruto]

Im a Christian and whether the stuff in the Bible true or not(there are times I wish some of it wasnt) but...Im willing on beleiving it..like Tsuande says,"I'm willing on making an bet on it."

Plus there's more at cost...If we're wrong no big deal..if you athiest are wrong you'll pay for it for eternity...

[Gamabunta]

Originally Posted by ItachiAnbu

First of all, I apologize for cutting out that bit of your post if it annoyed you.

Statistical impossibility? Hardly. More like a statistical probability. Of course, we may be thinking about this in different ways.

Who said I accepted Homer's works as being more accurate than the Bible? I don't. They both have their own historical accuracies. I conceded that in about the Bible in my last post.

My point was that certain predictions and "code" in the Bible are often observed in the modern world merely because people take current events and make them fit the prediction. Another point I made was that certain predictions are so general that almost any event could fit them.

But again, as you said, the BIBLE DOES HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF HISTORICAL ACCURACY. I agree with you on that.

No, Vbulletin cut up my post that I sat there for 10 minutes typing. Pretty much that was just a rushed version of what I originally wrote.

How is that not a statistical impossiblity? You are just as likely to win the lottery everyday of your life. The assumption they made was that it was 1 to 10 for each prophesy coming true. In reality it would be more like 1 in 1000.

You may not, but the general consensus does. And if you admit they have their historical accuracies and not that they are historically accurate, you are hinting they have inaccuracies as well. How do you locate these accuracies/inaccuracies? Is it for everyone to judge on their own? If that's the case then no debate is necessary, since everyone has the right to decide what is true for themselves (which they don't because truth is not relative).

There is no code in the bible. That's just what you said: stupid people making stupid statements. Although you said it a bit nicer.

Well, I'm glad you admit it does have historical accuracy but I'm curious if you show as much skepticism towards what they feed you in school or from other texts as you do towards scripture.