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Old 08-03-2009, 11:19 PM   #161
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I think there are some things that environment does shape, but I do not believe it shapes all things including one's sexuality per se. My brother is gay, and we have had many long talks on this subject, and for him, it is just part of who he is ^^ He did not wake up one day and go "Oh ho! I think I will be gay!" He says he has always known he is gay, from the time he was a child. His attraction is simply for men, and fortunately, he has found a wonderful partner to share is life with. I am most happy for him

Now, if environment was the only determining factor to shape sexuality, since I grew up in the same family surrounded by the same people and environments, in the same socio-economic and cultural conditions, wouldn't I be gay too? Alas, I am a girl that likes guys ^__~

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See I can completely understand where you're coming from. My sister is a lesbian. My aunt is a lesbian. One of my good friends is gay. Growing up, I was surrounded by it. Ive always been completely comfortable around homosexuality, and still am.

Hell, Ive even went with my guy-friend to a gay club because he was nervous about going for the first time. So I was a true friend and morally supported him, as akward as it was for me when a couple guys started flirting with me.....badly....

Im a guy, completely and utterly straight. I love women, cant deny that. Dont want a woman right now, but I am still very much attracted to them, and as for as I know, might just meet a woman thats good for me one day. But I also know that Im not gay, and never will be gay. Ive never thought that way, even when it was a daily part of life. So I get you completely, Suna.

Glad to remind you of something so beautiful. It really is breathtaking, isn't it? Thats one of those things that words just cant describe.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:20 PM   #162
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Im saying its a choice. But its an unexplained subject. Like I said, science hasn't proven that there's anything that makes somebody gay. Its a complete mystery. I can talk to my gay sister about it all I want, but I cant understand it.

She also gives that reason, that she always knew she was gay. Perhaps its just being more open to the prospect? Maybe everyone's a little gay, but openly gay people are just more into it. Perhaps what I consider a good guy friend to me, would be a gay crush for you? Im not sure how it works, and Im not even going to begin to understand it even if you explain it to me.

Dont think Im hating on your guys sexuality, Im not. You know better than that, I respect TRUE gay people. Just not the attention gays. But thats not what this subject is about so lets not go there.

Attention gays eh? -_-...That is just their personality, I love those kind of gays, just not as a partner...
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I disagree with what was in your self quote. I strongly believe there is evidence there is a God. That's irrelevant though as it's clear nature intended for us to be straight, as I pointed out in an earlier post.

I feel like I've used the word irrelevant more in the last few posts the in any other discussion on this forum.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:21 PM   #164
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I agree with most of what you say except for it being a choice. It's not my choice to be straight. I believe that a straight guy can have gay urges. I think the only way to know what your true sexual preference is, is when you find who your true love is. Most people are confident in their sexuality long before this though......
Its a choice to me. I could choose to be gay if I wanted to. If I wanted to convince myself that the feelings I have for my guy friends, wanting to be around them and hang out with them or whatever, was romantic, than I could choose to do so. But I dont feel that way, and dont want to choose to feel that way.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:22 PM   #165
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I agree with most of what you say except for it being a choice. It's not my choice to be straight. I believe that a straight guy can have gay urges. I think the only way to know what your true sexual preference is, is when you find who your true love is. Most people are confident in their sexuality long before this though......

If it isn't your choice to be straight then how are you?
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:22 PM   #166
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Attention gays eh? -_-...That is just their personality, I love those kind of gays, just not as a partner...

Nah I dont mean the really fun gay people who flaunt it. I mean the teenage girls who suddenly become gay because their friends do it, then 1 year down the road, change their mind and go back to being straight, denying ever really being bi.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:23 PM   #167
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Its a choice to me. I could choose to be gay if I wanted to. If I wanted to convince myself that the feelings I have for my guy friends, wanting to be around them and hang out with them or whatever, was romantic, than I could choose to do so. But I dont feel that way, and dont want to choose to feel that way.
Yes you can change your behavoir but your attraction...noppa.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:23 PM   #168
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Bottom line is, I hate religion. I hate everything there is about it. Its the number one cause of war in the world. Its the number one cause of pain and suffering. I have faith in my own way, and always will. I dont need someone else to tell me how to believe.

I believe in God. And that is that. If I go to hell for thinking that way, so be it.
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Old 08-03-2009, 11:24 PM   #169
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Yes you can change your behavoir but your attraction...noppa.
Yeah thats what my sis tells me too. I dont get it because I can choose not be attracted to a good looking girl. Its weird.
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Nah I dont mean the really fun gay people who flaunt it. I mean the teenage girls who suddenly become gay because their friends do it, then 1 year down the road, change their mind and go back to being straight, denying ever really being bi.

Well lots of women are bi sexual. The coming out process is very difficult and someone who isn't in a closet or who hasn't came out of a closet can't relate too.
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I disagree with what was in your self quote. I strongly believe there is evidence there is a God. That's irrelevant though as it's clear nature intended for us to be straight, as I pointed out in an earlier post.

I feel like I've used the word irrelevant more in the last few posts the in any other discussion on this forum.
I agree. I mean, for all we know, it could be environmental in the way that things in the air react a certain way with chemicals in the body, or similar to why some people are allergic to peanuts, and some aren't. It could also explain why there are different "categories", if you will, of gays. For guys, there are the ones that are just attracted to guys, whatever, the ones who wear the tight, revealing cloths, and the ones who go drag. For girls, there are the ones who just like girls, the butch ones, etc.
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Its a choice to me. I could choose to be gay if I wanted to. If I wanted to convince myself that the feelings I have for my guy friends, wanting to be around them and hang out with them or whatever, was romantic, than I could choose to do so. But I dont feel that way, and dont want to choose to feel that way.
There is a difference between convincing yourself, and being geniunely attracted at least that's what I believe.
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Yeah thats what my sis tells me too. I dont get it because I can choose not be attracted to a good looking girl. Its weird.
Oh so when a good looking girl walks bye you say " oh lets be attracted to her" then you are? ....Think about it...
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ok. i am confused with the title of this thread...does that mean anybody could post except TBC or nobody should post but TBC? *docks* don't crucify me for askin' this one...teehee...
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I agree. I mean, for all we know, it could be environmental in the way that things in the air react a certain way with chemicals in the body, or similar to why some people are allergic to peanuts, and some aren't. It could also explain why there are different "categories", if you will, of gays. For guys, there are the ones that are just attracted to guys, whatever, the ones who wear the tight, revealing cloths, and the ones who go drag. For girls, there are the ones who just like girls, the butch ones, etc.
Well I've also pointed this about before:

We can explain every thought and abstract feeling with a chemical reaction, but most of us are self aware enough to understand we are more than a series of chemical reactions.
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So if I was shaped by the envoirment why is it a sin if I never chose?
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Oh so when a good looking girl walks bye you say " oh lets be attracted to her" then you are? ....Think about it...
Attraction isn't looks alone, it's personality too. And looks make us think a certain way about a person, so if you see a hot guy, you might think he'd be a jerk the way he walks and talks, and thus, might not be attracted. Or, for you, you hate blondes and long hair as you always remind us, so you might see a nice body, nice face long hair, not attracted.
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Ok, I get the "Not as God intended" But is their proof of a God? No. Do we know why people are Gay, Bi, or Straight? No. Simple as that.
yes, there is much proof of god, the preacher of a church i know, never been to a doctor of any kind, and has been through many timees where doctors say "he shouldve died wothout med. care"
i was prayed for, my allergies were reaching a high point and i was dying, then i was prayed for, by the time i got to the hospital i was better
a brother came into church last night, hurtiing all over, after he left, he was better
a sister had seizures from child years to about 20 somethin' supposedly uncurable, shes 30, and hasnt had one since god healed her
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How can your granmother know exactly what God "intended"? The bible was written by mortal man.

Why not tho? People are born blind, deaf amd straight, why can't gay be on that list?
she didnt, she read the bible, and that is correct, but they were under the influence of god...
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The bible says it's a sin to act on your urges, it's not a sin to simply have homosexual urges.
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Attraction isn't looks alone, it's personality too. And looks make us think a certain way about a person, so if you see a hot guy, you might think he'd be a jerk the way he walks and talks, and thus, might not be attracted. Or, for you, you hate blondes and long hair as you always remind us, so you might see a nice body, nice face long hair, not attracted.
Yeah I was about to say that's more about taste. Another aspect of a person which I believe is shaped by their environment.
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