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Old 12-30-2013, 09:35 AM   #1
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U.S. has larger military, better technology, more recent wartime experience, and allies with much higher GDPs. Both are energy independent, but US doesn't need to rely on its export of resources. Not to mention Russia is racked with separatists and terrorists on all sides.

If you wanted to set this circa 70's maybe this would be more interesting. Not much to debate here.
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Yeah, you're pretty much right about that.

Err, let's change up the rondo!
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Without nukes? Are assuming China doesn't gleefully backstab Russia and throw in with the US?

Europe gets turned into a brutal battleground...any attempt to make to the US coast I can't see ending well..
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1970s USSR, where overall stagnation became apparent in the nation especially economically.
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It is economic suicide for both sides, but in the long run the U.S. and its allies should win. The U.S. has allies with higher GDPs and more advanced military technology. The U.S. also has more advanced military technology than the Soviets.

If nukes are allowed though, anything could be possible.
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U.S. has larger military, better technology, more recent wartime experience, and allies with much higher GDPs. Both are energy independent, but US doesn't need to rely on its export of resources. Not to mention Russia is racked with separatists and terrorists on all sides.

If you wanted to set this circa 70's maybe this would be more interesting. Not much to debate here.
Don't forget the Industrial Warframe. That alone is the reason no one wants to go to war with the US. Scary how perfectly positioned the US became after WWII, and the other nations just let it go; now it's too late for them, they lack the people or funds to create an infrastructure to support such a frame.
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Don't forget the Industrial Warframe. That alone is the reason no one wants to go to war with the US. Scary how perfectly positioned the US became after WWII, and the other nations just let it go; now it's too late for them, they lack the people or funds to create an infrastructure to support such a frame.
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It is economic suicide for both sides, but in the long run the U.S. and its allies should win. The U.S. has allies with higher GDPs and more advanced military technology. The U.S. also has more advanced military technology than the Soviets.

If nukes are allowed though, anything could be possible.
Russia could win a nuke war if the goal was to nuke as much as possible. They do have multiple warheads per missile and act like that is balanced.

Missile defense isn't quite up to snuff to a swarm of intercontinental missiles yet.
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1970s USSR, where overall stagnation became apparent in the nation especially economically.
Not true, it wasn't a apparent at all. With the oil embargo the USSR was making money hand over fist. And while it was stagnating, the US didn't know. It actually had a good estimate on the the USSR military spending, but didn't know it was a much larger share of the economy than initially thought.
But like the 80's, a similar strategy would work now without a shot being fired. Massive US military buildup, which can easily ramp up with spending falling below 4% GDP there is plenty of spare capacity. Russia will ruin it economy trying to keep up. Then add to that our oil friends, Sauds etc. ramping up gas production,(and do this ourselves now) and crash the petrol and gas market. Russia is screwed without a shot fired.
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Not true, it wasn't a apparent at all. With the oil embargo the USSR was making money hand over fist. And while it was stagnating, the US didn't know. It actually had a good estimate on the the USSR military spending, but didn't know it was a much larger share of the economy than initially thought..
Outside, no of course not, it wasn't well known.
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We would just use our SR-71's to scan and watch the land and airs for all Russian movement as much as we can while sending our troops in. The SR would give us a good fighting chance from how I see it.


We also used weapons better then the AK's. The good thing about those how ever is they cna be used in just about anything.
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