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Old 10-19-2013, 07:44 PM   #41
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^ I think it is a joke, or just a way to clone. But if a soul is real, when we clone are we not copying souls?
A clone would be biological made of compounds. Not with a mother that takes care of them for 9 months formulating a soul then body.
A clone is just the body
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Why would a soul need to be copyrighted
because if you can quantify something, analyze it and do so to a degree that you can prove that thing exists. It's only a matter of time (months years, decades, centuries..depending on the thing) before you begin to understand what its made of, how it works and when you start understanding that you eventually learn how to copy it or duplicate it or mass produce it - it's historically how mankind has gone from sitting around in a cave to putting people on the moon.

so..you..know..yeah

I mean think about the ramifications of actually discovering we have souls and then the science of the soul and the ethereal and how that could be used

Scientists have created life from lifelessness about fifteen years ago...we've already shown that we can touch the power of..god we've shown as a species a willingness to go anywhere and do anything to further our existence and a prosperity.

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No, I read. When you quoted me you said that and then added. "What?!" I was simply trying to state that I never said Science does that. I meant the basic of Buddhism.

Or it looked like you where saying, "What are you talking about? They have disclosed all religions." To which I was defending what I said. Just trying to be a bit more clear.]
No I was being sarcastic as in generally a religion gets invalidated under scientific scrutiny via its creation myths not being able to stand up to the scientific method..or meshing with our understanding of the universe- that stuff like spirits...usually gets addressed more by psychologists and sociologists and anthropologists


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Because I do not have any recall of me saying Science can not take Buddhism down because of reincarnation. If I did, whoops. But I do not see it. But that is not what I meant to say.
What i was saying was that it wasn't an issue addressed

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That is intense. That is the fastest way to learn a new language.
people have reported everything from knowing new skills ranging from gardening to musical instruments to caring about issues they never have in the past

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But what if they are not related and never had surgery or anything? I suppose no doc. as been made to disclose this?
well like I said..outside of mental illness you've got "genetic reincarnation" of sorts where a persons so similar to a relative the resemblance is uncanny and can border on horrifying when said person..demons demonstrating similar personlities and mannerisms and the like

it's less a soul and more a template getting reused though- in lesser degrees it's probably insanely common.

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A clone would be biological made of compounds. Not with a mother that takes care of them for 9 months formulating a soul then body.
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identical twins are clones dude.
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If we don't have souls how do you explain Aiden?

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Ouch!! That hurt! Walks away to cry.

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The debate over the existence of souls needn't be religious. The continuity of consciousness argument states that although your body constantly replaces cells, (and in fact shares no cells with the you of approximately seven years ago) you are still the same person. If you were simply flesh and blood, would you be the same person from seven years ago or somebody different?
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The debate over the existence of souls needn't be religious. The continuity of consciousness argument states that although your body constantly replaces cells, (and in fact shares no cells with the you of approximately seven years ago) you are still the same person. If you were simply flesh and blood, would you be the same person from seven years ago or somebody different?
Except many of our cells are just clones of their parent cell derived from mitosis, and serve the same functions as before. Those cells that do die are broken down and either excreted or their materials are used for nutrients or other processes. So no, you aren't the same person you were seven years ago, although I think you are equivocating when you say "same person." Do you mean we don't have all of the same cells or the same personalities? Either way your point doesn't in the slightest disprove the idea that we are "simply flesh and blood" it merely goes to demonstrate that people grow and change.
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The debate over the existence of souls needn't be religious. The continuity of consciousness argument states that although your body constantly replaces cells, (and in fact shares no cells with the you of approximately seven years ago) you are still the same person. If you were simply flesh and blood, would you be the same person from seven years ago or somebody different?
That is a good way to look at it.

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because if you can quantify something, analyze it and do so to a degree that you can prove that thing exists. It's only a matter of time (months years, decades, centuries..depending on the thing) before you begin to understand what its made of, how it works and when you start understanding that you eventually learn how to copy it or duplicate it or mass produce it - it's historically how mankind has gone from sitting around in a cave to putting people on the moon.

so..you..know..yeah

I mean think about the ramifications of actually discovering we have souls and then the science of the soul and the ethereal and how that could be used

Scientists have created life from lifelessness about fifteen years ago...we've already shown that we can touch the power of..god we've shown as a species a willingness to go anywhere and do anything to further our existence and a prosperity.



No I was being sarcastic as in generally a religion gets invalidated under scientific scrutiny via its creation myths not being able to stand up to the scientific method..or meshing with our understanding of the universe- that stuff like spirits...usually gets addressed more by psychologists and sociologists and anthropologists




What i was saying was that it wasn't an issue addressed



people have reported everything from knowing new skills ranging from gardening to musical instruments to caring about issues they never have in the past

kinda creepy


well like I said..outside of mental illness you've got "genetic reincarnation" of sorts where a persons so similar to a relative the resemblance is uncanny and can border on horrifying when said person..demons demonstrating similar personlities and mannerisms and the like

it's less a soul and more a template getting reused though- in lesser degrees it's probably insanely common.



Says you

identical twins are clones dude.
I'm not sure if I agree with you but you do make some good points.

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The problem with debating 'the soul' is that no one defines it, and there's an issue of who can or should have the authority TO define that. Otherwise, everyone gets very heated and angry about completely different things, which this thread is predictably turning into.

There's no reason a 'soul' couldn't be an emergent thing of brain activity, or God-juice in the skull, but to debate either, we'd need to decide and define it, which most people are too whiny to do, but I'm glad to see at least one person attempted to here.

And did someone actually say there's been scientific documentation of reincarnation in here? It wasn't Shisko, was it? Shisko, no! . Save yourself! Hit the edit button! Do it for truth! .
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I'm honestly flabbergasted at how incredibly stupid, cowardly and transparent you are. Do you honestly think we are so stupid and useless as staffers that we can't sniff an obvious dupe out? That a simple series of criteria when met are more then enough to once again expose you..for the pathetic, passive aggressive sack of crap that you are?

That account belongs to you..same as Kaden and where you fabricated another account prior to cover for your own pathetic humiliation in a debate to create the illusion that you had a reinforcements in an insultingly dishonest attempt to intimidate and silence those who opposed you...you..created this account for what asinine purpose? To further antagonize the staff? To attempt to paint me as a villain? Or maybe you're just so dim and petty you have no idea why you did it...but your attempts are so pathetic and transparent that multiple users lacking the moderator tools we possessed sniffed you out and reported you to me...and you seriously think you can conceal yourself?

Or that you are so god damn dumb... that you would perpetrate this insanity around the founder of the forum?

You are..such a low level troll that I had contemplated allowing you to stay around so that the newer users who..unfamiliar and inexperienced in the ways of defending their community from idiocy could use your sorry ass as soft target practice...that they could..literally beat you down and in doing so learn how to handle the bigger voices of..misconduct. But you have annoyed me one too many times and in perpetrating this constant act of mental retardation you have disrupted and stifled the legitimate and genuine attempts by other users to actually debate and contribute

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Well that is the question isn't it. A soul is something are to define. While I can't say what it is I can say that it would be made of energy just as everything else is made of energy. So then humans, being a large mass of collected energy, could potential posses a 'soul'. In other words, if its true that energy is not destroyed then where does our energy go? It is possible that that energy creates a 'soul' from our experiences. But its merely just a hypothesis.
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What if our brain is the soul.
considering the sheer amount of resources the brain consumes our soul would be eternally guilty of the sin of gluttony

and be pretty damn fragile
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Haven't read through a lot of this thread, so will just say where I think, the concept may of originated from. I'm taking it from the paranormal side. Paranormal investigators claim that paranormal activity and the alike, can be picked up on heat detectors and voice recorders and possibly on film, so light waves. So if paranormal activity, is anything like what the soul is. It could be a mix of both energy and waves emanating within our bodies. Since such things, are picked up as heat energy/light waves and recorded by sound waves it has. So if the soul is similar to this..then it could be a balance of both, within us.
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Haven't read through a lot of this thread, so will just say where I think, the concept may of originated from. I'm taking it from the paranormal side. Paranormal investigators claim that paranormal activity and the alike, can be picked up on heat detectors and voice recorders and possibly on film, so light waves. So if paranormal activity, is anything like what the soul is. It could be a mix of both energy and waves emanating within our bodies. Since such things, are picked up as heat energy/light waves and recorded by sound waves it has. So if the soul is similar to this..then it could be a balance of both, within us.
the funny part is, if that stuff turns out to be something other than utter nonsense it means that the human spirit and other "entities" can eventually be quantified and analyzed and I feel very, very bad for whatever is out there...because since the dawn of human kind..there have been sentient species out there arrogant enough to think they can bully us, terrorize us and manipulate our cultures

and they are going to learn a harsh lesson: Namely, that the last fully sentient race we came in contact with was exterminated down to the last man woman and child.

tldr: if the paranormal turns out to be real it will only be a matter of time before we bottle it..and patent and otherwise understand and learn how to control and handle it and what we can't we end up eradicating from the face of the universe....because historically as a species that's exactly what we do whenever we run into any type of competition - we make it no longer exist.

"panthentocide" may very well become a word within the next century or so...scary and awesome as that is
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And a counterpoint to what TRS posited(tho not necessarrily mutually exclusive to each other) is the ghost in the shell model that is actually quite feasible

Basically how I interpret that idea is that the soul and mind may be analogous to one another, in the way that the brain is compared to a computer it could be said that the soul.... the concioussness of a person is the operating system for the machine(being the brain and body) and what's truly scary about this train of thought is that were we able to define the soul and understand it's components........... boom literal A.I. clones that can be uploaded as an OS into a computer or android mechanical body even power armor as we see in fiction such as jarvis in iron man and cortana in Halo

And taking that a step further we have already achieved the ability to translate memory(data) into genetic code and vise-versa which may mean that one day it may be relatively simple to augment a persons very memories. Which in a lot of cases can indeed affect who they are and how they act in important ways

And also perhaps the scariest part of that is the fact that once that sort of thing goes mainstream you can bet your ass that people of ill repute will begin developing computer viruses designed for the human mind

You think getting a trojan on your PC is hard luck? Imagine your individuality and freedom stripped by some hacker as he uses you like a goddamn puppet to commit varying types of crimes ranging from holding up a liquor store to robbing the union depository with a group of other meat-puppets

And then afterwards having your memory wiped of the whole affair and left doe-eyed waiting for the cops


this is actually starting to sound like a good plot for a book or something now isn't it? I'm gonna have to remember this stuff

But hey you what they say : 3
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