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Old 08-11-2013, 11:11 PM   #1
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Meteor, Susanoo, nine-tails and eternal rape. Madara just goes apeshet on Yusuke.
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he loses

man i thought it was S class Yusuke...in which case I was about to laugh
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Um...I don't know much about Yusuke, but I'm pretty sure Madara loses...hard.

According to the OBD, Yusuke has beaten the KHVerse, Piccolo, Kyuubei, and many other big hitters.
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Um...I don't know much about Yusuke, but I'm pretty sure Madara loses...hard.

According to the OBD, Yusuke has beaten the KHVerse, Piccolo, Kyuubei, and many other big hitters.
Yusuke would only be able to handle those guys later in the series. The Dark Tournament Arc Yusuke would definitely lose. Meteor is more than enough to take him out, probably.

I doubt Reigan could destroy Susano'o either.
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Um...I don't know much about Yusuke, but I'm pretty sure Madara loses...hard.

According to the OBD, Yusuke has beaten the KHVerse, Piccolo, Kyuubei, and many other big hitters.
Nah, that's only for Chapter Black Yusuke and up.
DT Yusuke can tango with someone who can casually punch a guy several kilometers away into the sky and down onto the ocean from the middle of an island (said guy was also obliterated like Yamamoto did to Wonderweiss). Reigans have huge range and plowing power. decently fast.


madara would smoke him with his strongest Katon, Susanoo, or Mokuton.
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DT Yusuke could barely outrun truck from what I recall. End of chapter black and up is where he got decent speed feats. Most of those are subjective though and can be challenged. Depends who you are debating. S class yusuke is a beast to some to others he can easily be brought down to Naruto god tier levels. YYH is just a better version of bleach.
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So wait.

You guys are saying that Madara can take 100% Toguro?
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This is Yusuke from YU Yu Hakusho right?
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So wait.

You guys are saying that Madara can take 100% Toguro?
Uh......yes.
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Toguro would literally punch Madara into vapor the moment he touched him. In turn, Yusuke would.

You guys are giving Meteor way too much credit. That attack is way too slow. Yusuke and Toguro would both kill Madara long before he had that chance.

Susanoo? Hah. We're talking about something that Tsunade and the Raikage have broken through. Toguro punches gaping holes through demons with far more durability than the narutoverse, and that's only in 20%.

Toguro and Yusuke in DT were both calculated at high tier hypersonic. They're faster than even gates Guy.

Even with Edo Madara, 100% Toguro would rip Madara's soul out of his body and banish it to hell.

As for Yusuke, there is nothing Madara could do against Spirit Wave. Nothing. Meteor is big. That's about it. Spirit Bomb would demolish it, and one finger pointed at Madara handles Madara. He can't dodge Spirit Bomb, sire as hell can't tank it.
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Toguro biggest attack had an aoe of what a stadium? Plus he really doesn't have any notable destructive feats with anything with durability.

Madara slings a rock the size of a mountain and produces an armor that takes and gives out said mountain busters at full power. You compared a casual susanoo to his perfect one. Fight resulted in the changing of landscape with Harishima. Only chapter black eos and up showed such power. Truth be told a simple wood dragon would kill Toguro.

As for speed you do know the naruto characters are claced decently high now if you go the calc route. Said meteor was on fire in its first appearance reentry. Onoki intercepted it.

Overall if you look at straight power you can put Tsunade, 3rd raikage, and lol Sakura in power feats against Toguro. You tried to use Tsunade as arguement but she has feats that would put her against Toguro.
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Tsunade has no feats as strong as Toguro. Let me know when she does this. (At 20%)

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Naruto as a whole has a feat system that makes no sense at all. We're talking about Shinobi that can tank punches from people who make craters in the ground, yet those same people tanking punches can be killed by a kunai.

When 40% Taguro punches people in half that are strong enough to cause the ground to split just by stomping their feet, it's a pretty ridiculous feat.



Durability, guy strong enough to power up and scare the hell out of Yusuke's team swings an axe at Toguro with all his strength. It bounces of Toguro's skin like rubber.

Toguro and Yusuke were both calculated at Mach 16. The narutoverse has gotten faster, no doubt(Mostly as a result of powerscaling), but they're still far from that. Last calc chart I saw for Naruto clocked their fastest at Mach 5 or some crap.

Do you understand the difference between 16 and 5? It's freaking immense. If the Raikage and Minato speedblitz people so easily with their advantage, imagine how much faster Toguro is.

Compare KCM Minato(The fastest) to Tonton(The slowest). If Minato reaches Mach 5, that's five times the speed of sound or 3800 mph faster than Tonton.

Toguro and Yusuke, being clocked at Mach 16, reach around 12,000 mph.

So if Minato is 3800 mph faster than Tonton, and Yusuke is 8200 mph faster than Minato.... do you see what I'm getting at here?

You're right that the destruction feats on DT are limited. I consider most of that to be plot-based, since they had to keep it in the tournament island so everyone could witness it. Regardless, the landscape was destroyed, there was no ground, no ring, just cracked earth in every direction. We're also talking about animation some 20 years older than Naruto, so cracks that were put in the ground in round 1 were gone by round 3.
It's no different than watching DBZ, where Goku and Perfect Cell are fighting at the Cell Games, and the tournament ring manages to stay in tact despite them being strong enough to vaporize the planet they're fighting on with a pinky. You could call it control over their power. You could just call it laziness. I dunno.


Either way, my argument is speed and durability. Destructive feats are iffy, so I'll stick with other moves, such as the fact that 80% Toguro merely powering up vaporized almost every demon at the tournament. Chapter 103.

That same 80% Toguro was taking punches from Yusuke that were repeatedly and literally caving in his entire bone structure. Which he healed from in an instant, by the way.

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There's also times when Toguro flicks his finger and the airs throws Yusuke back, there's a time where he screamed at a spirit gun and it dissipated, things like that.

Ugh. I went off on a tangent. Anyway. Madara can summon meteor all he wants. It's going to take less than a second for Yusuke to blitz him, or spirit gun through him and his Susanoo.

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Naruto as a whole has a feat system that makes no sense at all. We're talking about Shinobi that can tank punches from people who make craters in the ground, yet those same people tanking punches can be killed by a kunai.

When 40% Taguro punches people in half that are strong enough to cause the ground to split just by stomping their feet, it's a pretty ridiculous feat.



Durability, guy strong enough to power up and scare the hell out of Yusuke's team swings an axe at Toguro with all his strength. It bounces of Toguro's skin like rubber.

Toguro and Yusuke were both calculated at Mach 16. The narutoverse has gotten faster, no doubt(Mostly as a result of powerscaling), but they're still far from that. Last calc chart I saw for Naruto clocked their fastest at Mach 5 or some crap.

Do you understand the difference between 16 and 5? It's freaking immense. If the Raikage and Minato speedblitz people so easily with their advantage, imagine how much faster Toguro is.

Compare KCM Minato(The fastest) to Tonton(The slowest). If Minato reaches Mach 5, that's five times the speed of sound or 3800 mph faster than Tonton.

Toguro and Yusuke, being clocked at Mach 16, reach around 12,000 mph.

So if Minato is 3800 mph faster than Tonton, and Yusuke is 8200 mph faster than Minato.... do you see what I'm getting at here?

You're right that the destruction feats on DT are limited. I consider most of that to be plot-based, since they had to keep it in the tournament island so everyone could witness it. Regardless, the landscape was destroyed, there was no ground, no ring, just cracked earth in every direction. We're also talking about animation some 20 years older than Naruto, so cracks that were put in the ground in round 1 were gone by round 3.
It's no different than watching DBZ, where Goku and Perfect Cell are fighting at the Cell Games, and the tournament ring manages to stay in tact despite them being strong enough to vaporize the planet they're fighting on with a pinky. You could call it control over their power. You could just call it laziness. I dunno.


Either way, my argument is speed and durability. Destructive feats are iffy, so I'll stick with other moves, such as the fact that 80% Toguro merely powering up vaporized almost every demon at the tournament. Chapter 103.

That same 80% Toguro was taking punches from Yusuke that were repeatedly and literally caving in his entire bone structure. Which he healed from in an instant, by the way.

Then he tanks this number.
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A spirit gun that shot through the side of the island and basically had Juubi-style velocity as it went careening across the ocean and out of sight. Survived it.

This is all it did to him.
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There's also times when Toguro flicks his finger and the airs throws Yusuke back, there's a time where he screamed at a spirit gun and it dissipated, things like that.

Ugh. I went off on a tangent. Anyway. Madara can summon meteor all he wants. It's going to take less than a second for Yusuke to blitz him, or spirit gun through him and his Susanoo.
One of Tsunade most famous feats was lifting Gamabunta's sword which is a giant slab of steel as tall as Gama. Plus she was casually creating deep fissures with one finger in her first appearance against Naruto. Plus the more recent blows from Sakura destroying that decent bit of land. ch 632 pg 17. All of that easily puts them in Toguro's powerclass.

Secondly you mention blades. Most fictional series in general are vulnerable to blades. Spiderman and Hulk both have been sliced up at one point. Both who have better strength feats casually than any of the characters mentioned. It is just a common trope in fiction. That being said the metal in Naruto used as weapons also has shown to be durable and of a decent quality. Famous headband tanking a rasengan. Plus some combine their blades with their element. Blades and cutting is normal thing.

As for speed lol did you say mach 5. A lot of them are mach 40 based off frs if you really wanna go the calc route. Most have the top tiers up high. I rather not go that route on viz. You can list top five speed feats for the series and still get high results. Onoki intercepting Madara's meteor,Gai in gates, frs, bijuudama (the one crossing the sea for example), and dodging/reacting to said bijuudama in close proximity. Nothing wrong with powerscaling by the way most series do it.

Lastly are you aware that meteor would have went off like a nuke if Onoki and Gaara didn't slow it down.It still caused a huge shockwave when it landed. Plus the size of it was in direct height to a mountain. Madara in perfect susanoo was taller than it by a good bit. He one stroked it plus miles of land and the mountain without trying. Plus his susanoo can tank anything Toguro has. He field goal kicks Toguro to be honest.
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Destructive capacity goes dramatically to Madara as does durability

problem is Yusuke by this point in the series gained a lot of abilities from the spirit wave orb..one of which was the ability to bust corrupted peoples souls.

Urimeshi never used it in the series due to a mix of him being..stupid and PIS but those conditions aren't currently met...he very well can keep up with Madara and should be more than able to spirit wave his face

this is also..his only real option....true his mid level B class spirit guns were wrecking a crap load of terrain and stuff, that might still be enough but Madara was tough

he also has the advantage in that as dumb as he is..Madara is dumber and his arrogance was so tactically crippling that Bloodlust can't hand wave it away

edit- as for toguro...he is stronger than most kages physically (sept for the the third raikage) that really wont help him against Madara

what will help him though is his shoulder pads...Madara might be able to defend against having his soul eaten through raw power though but if the pro Naruto side can't prove it well the little diva gets his soul sucked up by the power of 80's fashion
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The spirit wave could work if not for the fact Madara has preta abilities and can absorb such attacks. Plus the most rudimentary abilities Uchiha has sharigan genjutsu. The actual series is weak against illusions. In fact a lot of series are vulnerable to them.

Since we also mentioning the sharigan don't forget movement prediction. You need a basic understanding of how the sharigan works to even break that. Like a flexible attack not straight forward movements Yusuke usually uses.

Also don't forget Madara has a massive arsenal of abilities. Bansho tenin, woodstyle, genjutsu, massive katons, sususanoo, and all of the other abilities of the sharigan or rinnegan.
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One of Tsunade most famous feats was lifting Gamabunta's sword which is a giant slab of steel as tall as Gama.
Lifting a sword and dropping it on Manda at full power =/= Walking across the island with a giant ring on your back at 20%. The ring was as large as 10 of those swords.

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The spirit wave could work if not for the fact Madara has preta abilities and can absorb such attacks.
Spirit energy is not the same as Ninjutsu. Different world, for one. But the main point is that Nature Chakra can't be absorbed, and Totsuka Sword wasn't absorbed, which is a "spiritual sword" when Itachi shoved it through Pain.

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Secondly you mention blades. Most fictional series in general are vulnerable to blades. Spiderman and Hulk both have been sliced up at one point. Both who have better strength feats casually than any of the characters mentioned. It is just a common trope in fiction. That being said the metal in Naruto used as weapons also has shown to be durable and of a decent quality. Famous headband tanking a rasengan. Plus some combine their blades with their element. Blades and cutting is normal thing.
Please refer to the giant axe again. Compare that to a kunai please.


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A lot of them are mach 40 based off frs if you really wanna go the calc route. Most have the top tiers up high. I rather not go that route on viz. You can list top five speed feats for the series and still get high results.
What? Mach 40? You're saying that characters can in Naruto could travel all the way across the world in 40 minutes? That's absurd.

I'm absolutely going to need to hear your calcs. And no, I am not a fan of powerscaling. Powerscaling would state that Cell Games Gohan should be able to touch the ground with a finger and destroy the galaxy. Powerscaling is what those wankers use when they try to say that Goku is a universe buster.

There is no way that Madara's meteor had the physics of a real meteor falling from space. For one, the major characters survived it by being covered in rubber? Really Kishi? The crater that thing should have made if it was falling full speed would have been at least a hundred feet deep, but all it did was flatten part of the terrain and make the land around it kind of dusty.

Anyway. Back to mach 40? What? Hell, even the kid with the Yo-Yo has shown speed comparable to FTG.


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what will help him though is his shoulder pads...Madara might be able to defend against having his soul eaten through raw power though but if the pro Naruto side can't prove it well the little diva gets his soul sucked up by the power of 80's fashion
Nagato couldn't, and he's got the 3rd best destructive feats of the series, behind Madara and Juubi.


Anyway. Let me know when Madara can disintegrate heads by flicking his finger.
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Or punches his "intangible" brother so hard that he disintegrates, but not before being launched several miles away. At a fraction of his full power, no less.

All-around terrain damage feats goes to Madara.
Human destructive feats goes to Toguro.


Speed. Hiei demonstrated hypersonic feats back when he was still a villain.
Toguro does this at fractional power.
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Lifting a sword and dropping it on Manda at full power =/= Walking across the island with a giant ring on your back at 20%. The ring was as large as 10 of those swords.
It is solid steel. There is a difference in the material.



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Spirit energy is not the same as Ninjutsu. Different world, for one. But the main point is that Nature Chakra can't be absorbed, and Totsuka Sword wasn't absorbed, which is a "spiritual sword" when Itachi shoved it through Pain.
The totsuka sword is not a spirit sword it is an actual sword like the one oro uses. Where it is from who knows. Plus the main purpose of the sword is to seal such powers anyways. As for the spirit energy it is the same thing as chakra increased strength, speed, power, and produces abilities. The only energy you can probably argue as being different is pshychic energy like kuwabara's.


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I already answered that. Some of the most notable characters with extreme durability has been sliced up. Plus who has died from a kunai?

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What? Mach 40? You're saying that characters can in Naruto could travel all the way across the world in 40 minutes? That's absurd.
The meteor that madara produced was flaming upon appearance. The average meteor has a terminal velocity of 25,000 mph.http://skymanbob.com/2009/03/terminal-velocity/

Plus the several clear displays of highspeed. Bijuudama hitting cities long range cities in short time spans. The even more faster one that hit another coast. Character react to bijuudama are clearly stupid fast.

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I'm absolutely going to need to hear your calcs. And no, I am not a fan of powerscaling. Powerscaling would state that Cell Games Gohan should be able to touch the ground with a finger and destroy the galaxy. Powerscaling is what those wankers use when they try to say that Goku is a universe buster.
Calcs aren't needed refer to the above information. Sakura even caught up to that juubi spawn which she sent flying. It caused a shockwave that pulled in other juubi spawn with it's speed.

As for powerscaling it is reasonable to use for fantasy series. Most series like YYH don't have feats individually all the time. So you base them off a feat a character they faced has done. It gives you the general idea of the overall speed. Most of the time characters are faster than some of the feats they performed.
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There is no way that Madara's meteor had the physics of a real meteor falling from space. For one, the major characters survived it by being covered in rubber? Really Kishi? The crater that thing should have made if it was falling full speed would have been at least a hundred feet deep, but all it did was flatten part of the terrain and make the land around it kind of dusty.
What rubber are you talking about? It had all the characteristics of a regular meteor the scene when it first appeared had it on fire. Onoki slowed it down that is why the destruction was weak. It still caused a massive shockwave even after the combine effort of him and Gaara. It was very much a meteor.
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Anyway. Back to mach 40? What? Hell, even the kid with the Yo-Yo has shown speed comparable to FTG.
Not really that is just a showing of super speed. Minato was countering bijuudama at point blank ranges with it.


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Nagato couldn't, and he's got the 3rd best destructive feats of the series, behind Madara and Juubi.
Naruto, Harishima, and Bee all have better power feats than Nagato?
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That is no more than a power feat. Most characters would have similar displays if there was that much of a gap in strength.
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Or punches his "intangible" brother so hard that he disintegrates, but not before being launched several miles away. At a fraction of his full power, no less.
Read above plus elder Toguro does not really have an notable durability. Just a powerful regeneration ability.
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Human destructive feats goes to Toguro.
Terrain is more prominent over character durability because you know the hardness of minerals, sediment, and etc.

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Speed. Hiei demonstrated hypersonic feats back when he was still a villain.
Supersonic at best. Most of that again was just a display of superspeed. What is an actual tangible speed feat that you can use for him?
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Doesn't equate to slicing a mountain or bring an object of that size from the sky.
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It is solid steel. There is a difference in the material.
Blade is steel. Regardless it's still not nearly as big as the ring. Not as long, tall, or wide. Laughing emotes don't make your point, either. Besides, this debate isn't about Tsunade being stronger than Toguro(She's not). Madara physically isn't even stronger than Tsunade.

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The meteor that madara produced was flaming upon appearance. The average meteor has a terminal velocity of 25,000 mph.
Anything reentering the atmosphere is going to be flaming. A tiny rock will catch fire and burn up. Regardless of your assumption that Naruto draws its scientific conclusions from NASA, the meteor itself has nothing to do with Madara's speed. Just because a human fires a bullet at 3000 MPH doesn't mean he can move that fast.


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What rubber are you talking about? It had all the characteristics of a regular meteor the scene when it first appeared had it on fire. Onoki slowed it down that is why the destruction was weak. It still caused a massive shockwave even after the combine effort of him and Gaara.
The jutsu from the ninja with the eyepatch. He used rubber to protect the Kages and Naruto.

Onoki and Gaara didn't slow the first one down, they stopped it. Madara just brought another one down on top of them.

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Minato was countering bijuudama at point blank ranges with it.
Takes a moment to power-up, and Minato is the exception with FTG. Intercepting it from the front of the Juubi is one thing. Had he teleported from across the battlefield, it would have been a better speed feat. If it was moving "Mach 40" nobody would even see the Jutsu. Fodder Shinobi had time to put up a hundred earth walls before the BijuuDama got through to it. It's not that fast.

Hitting the other coast isn't much. A mach 5 fighter jet could reach that distance just as easily. We're talking about Shinobi that take multiple days to reach the Sand Village from Konoha in a time of dire crisis, but you're claiming made believe calculations that they run around the entire world in 40 minutes.

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Naruto, Harishima, and Bee all have better power feats than Nagato?
Not really. Konoha was leveled by Shinra Tensei, and Chibaku Tensei is still arguably more powerful than Naruto is capable of handling. But we're not debating Nagato.

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That is no more than a power feat. Most characters would have similar displays if there was that much of a gap in strength.
Sakura doesn't even disintegrate Zetsu with full-power punches. That's full contact. This is a guy flicking the air and taking off 8 heads in a split second. There is nothing comparable in Naruto. Even Madara fighting the Fodder army wasn't disintegrating people. He was kicking them thirty feet away, tops. Their bodies remained quite in tact.

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Read above plus elder Toguro does not really have an notable durability. Just a powerful regeneration ability.
? He can turn into steel ?
I don't see how any of that negates the fact that he was kicked several miles away.

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Supersonic at best. Most of that again was just a display of superspeed. What is an actual tangible speed feat that you can use for him?
Supersonic at the beginning of the series. Yusuke and Kuwabara were dodging bullets in the first couple episodes. Hiei also outran a gas explosion, that's the most solid supersonic feat people have come up with for the beginning of the series, since the explosion would move at 1800/m per second.

Here, this is from Cableguy from NF. He calc'd it already. IWD should know him.

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Hiei saves Yusuke from a gas explosion that happened right behind him. We can't see how far away Hiei was when the explosion occurred, but we at least know he's off-panel at the time so we can use that distance.

For the distance covered, I'm scaling from Yusuke's neck (Where Hiei grabbed him), to the left edge of the panel, then multiplying that by two for the total distance and assuming that's the distance he'd need to travel to escape untouched by the explosion as he was.

I'll also be giving Yusuke an average height of 1.70 m, then taking of .45 m since I can only measure down to his knees. I couldn't find anything online, so I just used my own leg for reference. Anyway, it gives us a height of 1.25 m.

The first thing to address is the speed of the explosion. According to this site ([IMG]http://www.gexcon.com/handbook/GEXHBchap6.htm[/url]), the detonation velocity of a gas explosion ranges between 1,500 and 2,000 m/s.

So then, onto the scaling:

[url]http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/5452/yuyuhakushovol15ch03pag.png[/IMG] (http://img638.imageshack.us/i/yuyuha...15ch03pag.png/)

So from this scaling we see that Yusuke is at 241 Pixels compared to the distance of his neck to the left side of the panel's end being 193 pixels. Remember, I'm multiplying that by two since he has to go back as well to avoid the explosion.

193 * 2 / 241 = 1.6 * 1.25 m = 2 m, the total distance Hiei has to travel before the explosion reaches him.

Next, the distance between the explosion and Yusuke. The perspective's kind of tricky, but I measured it from the back of his knee which was further away from the explosion than the rest of his body so I think it still helps keep this low-end.

Anyway, the distance is 99.8 pixels, so:

241 / 99.8 = 2.42. 1.25 / 2.42 = .52 m

From here we can get a low-end and high-end time frame. Starting with the low-end:

.52 m / 1,500 m/s = .00035 s, the time Hiei has to escape the explosion untouched. From here, we apply our distance traveled to the time frame...

2 m / .00035 = 5,714.29 m/s (Low-end)

Now for the high-end:

.52 m / 2,000 m/s = .00026 s for Hiei to grab Yusuke and escape untouched. Now to finish up our high-end speed...

2 m / .00026 = 7,692.31 m/s

So the range is 5,714.29 - 7,692.31 m/s
7.000+ m/s is about Mach 22. Then if you wanted to use powerscaling, which I prefer feats, you think about how much stronger Yusuke became in DT compared to that Hiei.

Then there's the one where Hiei punches Seiryu or w/e his name is 13 times before Seiryu even reacted, and that was as a low C.

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Doesn't equate to slicing a mountain or bring an object of that size from the sky.
Except for the part where he dies before he blinks.
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Blade is steel. Regardless it's still not nearly as big as the ring. Not as long, tall, or wide. Laughing emotes don't make your point, either. Besides, this debate isn't about Tsunade being stronger than Toguro(She's not). Madara physically isn't even stronger than Tsunade.
I was laughing. Steel has a clear cut win over stone.Bro gamabunta is several stories tall. When he is in konoha he stands over most of the buildings. That ring was nowhere near that long. Plus compared to a slab of steel that size the steel would win out. Steel is has a higher density than stone.



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Anything reentering the atmosphere is going to be flaming. A tiny rock will catch fire and burn up. Regardless of your assumption that Naruto draws its scientific conclusions from NASA, the meteor itself has nothing to do with Madara's speed. Just because a human fires a bullet at 3000 MPH doesn't mean he can move that fast.
The whole point of mentioning the flames is to drive home the point of what level of speed said meteor was traveling. Plus you are right that is not a representation of his speed. He is faster. Onoki intercepted said meteor while it was still moving at full speed. Onoki at full speed could not even tag madara with his flight.




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The jutsu from the ninja with the eyepatch. He used rubber to protect the Kages and Naruto.

Onoki and Gaara didn't slow the first one down, they stopped it. Madara just brought another one down on top of them.
Then that would be a feat for his jutsu. That shockwave reach madara and dusted him. Plus still caused a lot of destruction. If it landed unrestricted all of them would have been dead.



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Takes a moment to power-up, and Minato is the exception with FTG. Intercepting it from the front of the Juubi is one thing. Had he teleported from across the battlefield, it would have been a better speed feat. If it was moving "Mach 40" nobody would even see the Jutsu. Fodder Shinobi had time to put up a hundred earth walls before the BijuuDama got through to it. It's not that fast.
Yeah no they don't. Bm Naruto, Juubi, and Bee have had a fire fight with bijuudama. The formation time is exaggerated. Secondly the nobody would have seen it argument is old. Most writers don't take account of such trivial facts. Batman being involved with ftl level fights case and point.

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Hitting the other coast isn't much. A mach 5 fighter jet could reach that distance just as easily. We're talking about Shinobi that take multiple days to reach the Sand Village from Konoha in a time of dire crisis, but you're claiming made believe calculations that they run around the entire world in 40 minutes.
The bijuudama traveled miles before it left land and hit the coast. In a short timeframe. Nothing in Dt yyh is that fast. Also you are pointing out a story inconsistency while using a famous scan of yusuke barely outrunning a truck in your argument.



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Not really. Konoha was leveled by Shinra Tensei, and Chibaku Tensei is still arguably more powerful than Naruto is capable of handling. But we're not debating Nagato.
Bro juubi let loosed a blast that scared the sky and produced storms as an after effect. While creating a crater larger than the one in konoha. Naruto protected himself and all of the shinobi. That is with his power scattered.



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Sakura doesn't even disintegrate Zetsu with full-power punches. That's full contact. This is a guy flicking the air and taking off 8 heads in a split second. There is nothing comparable in Naruto. Even Madara fighting the Fodder army wasn't disintegrating people. He was kicking them thirty feet away, tops. Their bodies remained quite in tact.
Bro that is just artistic taste. Characters that finger flick Toguro don't necessarily do that. That is not really a strong feat at all.


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Supersonic at the beginning of the series. Yusuke and Kuwabara were dodging bullets in the first couple episodes. Hiei also outran a gas explosion, that's the most solid supersonic feat people have come up with for the beginning of the series, since the explosion would move at 1800/m per second.
pretty sure gas explosion was chapter black.

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Here, this is from Cableguy from NF. He calc'd it already. IWD should know him.



7.000+ m/s is about Mach 22. Then if you wanted to use powerscaling, which I prefer feats, you think about how much stronger Yusuke became in DT compared to that Hiei.

Then there's the one where Hiei punches Seiryu or w/e his name is 13 times before Seiryu even reacted, and that was as a low C.



Except for the part where he dies before he blinks.
Funny enough you are using a calc from where the mach 40. The gas explosion calc was an evolved method from a calc from Naruto I think. The one where they used to calc Sasuke dodging Deidaras clay bombs. It was mach 20+ also. Which is a pointless calc since you can just look up plastic explosives detonations and it would give you 8000 +m/s for them. One of the most solid feats for the series.

Mach 40 is just for frs by the way. They have higher calcs than that. Which is why I don't bring them up. I rather debate straight feats.
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