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Even harsher punishments should be introduced for similar crimes 1 10.00%
It is a fair punishment for the crime 2 20.00%
It is too much for two teenagers, regardless of their crime 7 70.00%
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Old 06-28-2013, 05:03 PM   #1
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TEENAGERS CHARGED FOR DEFAMATION ON INSTAGRAM
Fined with 570,000 SEK (85,000 USD). It is considered defamation to speak of other people using words such as "whore" or "slut" in social media such as Instagram, according to the district court of Gothenburg.

Today the Gothenburg district court reported that they had reached an end to the infamous "Instagram defamation" after hundreds of teens had gathered outside a gymnasium last year to confront the girl they believed had uploaded the pictures.

The parents must pay
The two accused girls are charged for vulgar defamation and the result will be social care (for the 15 year old) and community service (for the 16 year old). Also, the girls are charged with a fine of 570,000 SEK ($85,000) in damages. Approximately half must be paid by the parents of the two girls.

"Not knowing" is no excuse
The court did not consider the parental lack of knowledge regarding the actions of their daughters on Instagram to be an excuse, and the fine was thereby not decreased.

Insulting comments
It was in December last year when a number of pictures with sexually harassing comments were posted on a blog. The two teenage girls responsible were charged for spreading defamation in text and images by an account on Instagram. The 15-year old girl has confessed and described in detail the line of events, while the 16-year old denies any crime.
"They know each other, but my client claims that she has no part in it", the 16-year old girl's lawyer Claes Φstlund said to SVT's Western News before the beginning of the trial.

One confessed, both are charged
One of the girls denied the action, but the court decided that the 15-year girl who admitted the actions had described how it happened in detail. The 16-year old who still denies part in the crime had deleted all information in her cell phone created before 19 December 2012, which is considered an attempt to hide information by the court. Besides, the 16-year old had sent several text messages to her younger friend which supports the claim of her involvement.

Punishment could be three months in jail
The district court considers the crimes to be so damaging that a fine is not enough. The punishment level should normally be three months in jail, but as the charged girls are under 18 they are only charged with a fine along with community service. Reasons why the crime is considered so serious is because the widespread reach of the harassment, and the fact that many of the publications contains pictures, names, age and addresses of the victims.

More than 8,000 subscribers
One of the victims quickly gained 8,000 subscribers, and the claimant has witnessed depression and even thoughts of suicide among some of the victims.

The totally 38 claimants who remained as the case was finished had together demanded that the girls would pay more than 700,000 SEK ($104,000) in damages.

It's enough to spread information
The court case might have a serious effect on popular belief that an individual can publish anything on the web. However, the girls are not charged with writing the words but rather spreading them.

Slang expression made username
The current Instagram account was registered under the username "gbgsorroz". In the verdict, the court writes that the term "orroz" comes from the slang expression "orre" which has its origins in the Turkish language and can be translated as "slut" or "whore".

Kik was also used
The charged girls had gained access to much of the information through the social network Kik, and then used this to commit their crime.

Traced by Comhem
The information who was behind the account was taken from Microsoft and Comhem by the Swedish cyber police, according to the district court. The user of the IP address was then traced, making it easy to locate the criminals.

Summary: Two girls, 15 and 16 years old, had joined Instagram and claimed to be a number of other people, posting pictures, names, addresses and similar information about them and behaving in very harmful ways, referring to themselves with insulting sexual phrases and even offering themselves as prostitutes to male subscribers. Several of the victims were later visited for this purpose and harassed at school, causing many cases of depression. Despite their young age, the two girls responsible for this defamation crime were charged with US$85,000 in damages.

Was the punishment fair? Was it too much? Or should they have been imprisoned? Discuss the controversial court decision and the crime itself here.
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i think there should be harsher rules to this, i mean they can still continue along with many others that have not been found out yet. this should be basically a lesson to many others that havent been found and the risk they are at. which is basically increasing the charges showing how much and to scare them off.
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That's what you get for playing with identities of other people. I don't feel sorry, at all.
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Identity / posing as having a ceratin profession(even if they are protsitutes) is punishable.

But the punishment is wrong here. Do they really think a 15 and 16 year old girl possess 85.000 dollars. Whos gonna pay for that? Not the girls their poor parents.
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^ So?
That's what they get for stealing identities in the first place. And the parents may not have known about this, but where were they when this was going on? They should have been monitoring their kids better to where they weren't pretending to be other people.

And I'm sure the parents can have the girls pay for some of it, by them getting jobs or using their college money, etc.

Also this should probably be in the debate section lol.
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They put that on themselves. I feel sorry for them, but they should not have been playing wih people's identities.
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That's what they get for stealing identities in the first place. .
my thoughts exactly! Isn't this technically identity theft? kids are lucky they aren't facing hard time
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BMC trying to white knight ID thieves.
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That's what they get for stealing identities in the first place. And the parents may not have known about this, but where were they when this was going on? They should have been monitoring their kids better to where they weren't pretending to be other people.

And I'm sure the parents can have the girls pay for some of it, by them getting jobs or using their college money, etc.

Also this should probably be in the debate section lol.
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Errr no.

What im saying is the punishment is not targeting the criminals at all.

And pink even with full time jobs they wouldnt be able to pay the majority of that. And no that not what 'they' get. They will just go to school and resume their lives. Meanwhile their parents get stuck with the bill.

How are they supposed to learn anything from that. Why wouldnt they just do it again if the bill lands at their parents as long as they are under 18.

Let em do community work or jail for a small/large period or idk.

Something that actually targets these two girls.

That my point. This punishment is no punishment. Atleast not for them.
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Identity / posing as having a ceratin profession(even if they are protsitutes) is punishable.

But the punishment is wrong here. Do they really think a 15 and 16 year old girl possess 85.000 dollars. Whos gonna pay for that? Not the girls their poor parents.
Note: the parents must pay half of the fine ($42,500 together), while the two girls must pay $21,250 each (also $42,500 together). Of course that is still a lot of money for two teens under 18, but since this was a very unique crime I guess that the court wanted to make an example of them by giving a harsh punishment. The two girls will remain in debt to the government until they have paid off the fine, without financial intervention from their parents.
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How are they going to assure that the girls are the ones that pay that? I don't think the parents should have to pay more than maybe $1000. But, a lot of parents will just hand their kids the money and say that their kids earned that money. To get them out of it. In this case, embarrass them or make them spend jail time. Embarrassment can be a great legal punishment.
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Well they should learn from that, or you better. Rather just put them in jail and lock up da key.

But how is this even a debate?
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How are they going to assure that the girls are the ones that pay that? I don't think the parents should have to pay more than maybe $1000. But, a lot of parents will just hand their kids the money and say that their kids earned that money. To get them out of it. In this case, embarrass them or make them spend jail time. Embarrassment can be a great legal punishment.
Well, they are sentenced to months of community service as well.
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This is too extreme. This isn't he first time people on the Internet have claimed to be someone else. Yea I think the should get punishment but really? Honestly? $85,000 for insults? Just give them jail time for about a week or something like that.
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This identity theft right? The question is if they used anyones real name or adress.
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This is too extreme. This isn't he first time people on the Internet have claimed to be someone else. Yea I think the should get punishment but really? Honestly? $85,000 for insults? Just give them jail time for about a week or something like that.
This is the first time something like this have happened in Sweden, on such a scale. The number of victims could be as many as 10, and most of them were harassed in school or at work as a result.
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This identity theft right? The question is if they used anyones real name or adress.
They used the pictures, names and addresses of real people, pretending to be these individuals and behaving in a way that is far from appropriate. This is considered identity theft and defamation.
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This is the first time something like this have happened in Sweden, on such a scale. The number of victims could be as many as 10, and most of them were harassed in school or at work as a result.
That's nice that its only happened 10 times in Sweden but It happens all the time in the USA. Just get over yourself and grow up and see what you fined them was absolute nonsense.
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Well then yes id theft and they deserve hard time in NK.
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That's nice that its only happened 10 times in Sweden but It happens all the time in the USA. Just get over yourself and grow up and see what you fined then was absolute nonsense.
It has of course happened more times in total, I meant that there were 10 victims to these two girls (15 and 16 year old), meaning 10 identities stolen and defamated.
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Errr no.

What im saying is the punishment is not targeting the criminals at all.

And pink even with full time jobs they wouldnt be able to pay the majority of that. And no that not what 'they' get. They will just go to school and resume their lives. Meanwhile their parents get stuck with the bill.

How are they supposed to learn anything from that. Why wouldnt they just do it again if the bill lands at their parents as long as they are under 18.

Let em do community work or jail for a small/large period or idk.

Something that actually targets these two girls.

That my point. This punishment is no punishment. Atleast not for them.
This does target them, from Cao said. The girls both have to pay for half of it. They'll remain in debt to the government until they do pay it. They can be able to pay it off with jobs. It'll take a long ass time, but they'll be able to pay it off.

Like I said, the parents will learn to monitor their kids better. If this actually happens again then the parents are idiots and deserve it, no offense. You'd think after the first time they'd learn.

But yeah, I agree that embarrassing them or putting them in jail could also be a good punishment.
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